Has the seven year tribulation begun?

There are so many contradictions in the Bible that listing them all here would be pointless, so I'll choose a cross section for you:

Where Did the Devil Take Jesus?
Matthew 4:5-8: Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: ’He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone." Jesus answered him, "It is also written: ’Do not put the Lord your God to the test." Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ’Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’
Satan took Jesus to the pinnacle of the temple, then to the mountain top.

Luke 4:5-9: The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. So if you worship me, it will all be yours." Jesus answered, "It is written: ’Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’ The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down from here.
Satan took Jesus to the mountain first, then the temple.


Where Did Jesus Meet Simon, Peter and Andrew?
Matthew 4:18-19: And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
Peter and Andrew are fishing.

John 1:42-43: And he (Andrew) brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
Andrew was following Jesus, found his brother and brought him to Jesus.

Who Were the First Visitors to Jesus’ Tomb?
Matthew 28:1: After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
Mary Magdalene and the other Mary

Mark 16:1: When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.
The two Marys, plus a third person, Salome

Luke 24:10: When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles.
The two Marys, Joanna, and "the others."

John 20:1: Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
Only Mary Magdalene

How Did Judas Die?
Matthew 27:3-8: Then Judas, which had betrayed him (Jesus), when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders. Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? See thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore, that field was called "The Field of Blood" unto this day.
Judas hanged himself

Acts 1:16-19: Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The Field of Blood.
Judas bought a field, fell down and his intestines spilled out.

Is Jesus the Same As God?
John 10:30: I and my father are one.
Jesus is God.

John 14:28: I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
God is greater than Jesus.

Should You Answer a Fool?
Proverbs 26:4: Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.
Don’t answer.

Proverbs 26:5: Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.
Do answer.

Should I add some more? maybe from the Old Testament too?

originally posted by: Wulfrida
a reply to: aethertek

Some believe in a pre trib rapture, some mid trib. Depends on how you read the passages.

We arent in the tribulation yet, the temple has yet to be rebuilt. Though with ears and runors of wars, strange signs in the sky, etc, I think we are close.

I don't know if the 'temple' is the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem or not because the Body of Christ is the Temple of the Holy Spirit, God's Temple. So our bodies are a temple now, confirmed by the temple in Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD.

That suggests that the temple Daniel is talking about is the human body, if that is the case then the AC receives a fatal head would and is resurrected, most likely by science. Then the abomination of desolation is the spirit of the antichrist fully dwelling in the body of the resurrected world leader that died from a head wound.

Another possibility I guess would be cloning Jesus's original body from DNA remnants perhaps found in the Shroud of Turin or the spear which had pierced His side leaving trace fragments of His blood recovered from the blade of the spear, the 'Spear of Destiny'.

I don't know if I can explain this in a post and maybe I should just take the time to make a thread, but it seems to me that there are 2 common threads which the Bible talks about in regards to Satan's kingdom on earth.

The first thread is money:

1 Timothy 6:10

For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Money affects our lives in more ways than government does, because government taxes the economy in order to exist. The real controlling element in our lives is money. That is why the Book of Revelation discusses the mark of the beast:

Revelation 13:17

And he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The second thread of Satan's kingdom is the world's religious systems that are in anti-thesis of God. There are many world religions other than Christianity and within Christianity there are many different denominations. What is the commonality between them? The commonality is a priesthood, a hierarchical structure with the church. Even non-denominational Christian churches have a hierarchy of a pastor, associate pastors, teachers and then the congregation.

IMO this is in direct opposition to what Christ came for, He came to replace the human hierarchy in a 'church' with the Holy Spirit:

Matthew 23:8

But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers

That is when Christians are to gather together they are to allow the Holy Spirit to direct their worship, not a pastor. Perhaps elders can teach but if someone has a Word from the Holy Spirit then they are to edify the Body, this cannot happen in a normal church setting if you were to stand up and speak what was placed on your heart you'd be escorted out of the service in most churches.

Note also that Babylon is the source of this human priestly system. The 'universal' church was quick to adopt the pagan practice of priests and confessions after Constantine organized and held the first council of Nicea. At that council they put down the 'Arian apostasy' by making everyone agree to conform to the doctrine of the Trinity. This established the priesthood within the church, and it established systematic theology which even protestants didn't reject during the reformation.

That is why Satan has allowed both Catholicism and Protestantism to exist in the world today, because they are no different than the world which Satan rules.

Matthew 4:8-9

Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; and he said to Him, “All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me.”

So, when Satan has been cast from heaven by Michael:

Revelation 12:7-9

And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him

we are very close to the end when we have both a global money system and a global unified faith that includes all world religions by an 'ordained' priesthood.

We are pretty close to that with a money, but not so much with a universal church. Perhaps if things start to get crazier, then we will get one soon.

I was just thinking this morning that I believe the first part of Revelation has been ongoing for the past 44 years, that is the Rider on the White Horse. I think that the rider on the white horse represents the dollar, as depicted by George Washington on the face of the dollar bill.



Revelation 6:1-2

Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come.” I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

The dollar since the Bretton Woods system has been the world's reserve currency representing about 67% of all global banking reserves and is used for bills of credit and since 1974 by OPEC to sell their oil.

But that system is soon changing as China begins issuing future's oil contracts in yuan backed/convertible by gold bullion.

The dollar has enjoyed a considerably longer life as an unbacked state-issued currency than the mark did, but do not think the monetary factors have been much different. The Bretton Woods agreement, designed to make the dollar appear “as good as gold”, was cover for the US Government to fund Korea, Vietnam and other foreign ventures by monetary inflation, which it did without restraint. That deceit ended in 1971, and today the ratio of an ounce of gold to the dollar has moved to about 1:1310 from the post-war rate of 1:35, giving a loss of the dollar’s purchasing power, measured in the money of the market, of 97.3%.

mises.org...

That was until now. The dollar’s hegemony is being directly challenged by China, which is not shy about promoting her own currency as her preferred settlement medium. Later this month an oil futures contract priced in yuan is expected to start trading in Shanghai.1 Only last week, the Governor of China’s central bank met the Saudi finance minister, presumably to agree, amongst other topics, the date when Saudi Arabia will start to accept yuan for oil sales to China. The proximity of these two developments certainly suggest they are closely related, and that the end of the Nixon/Saudi deal of 1974, which created the petrodollar, is in sight.

mises.org...

So that would mean that the second seal is about to be or has already been broken

Revelation 6:3-4

When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come.” And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.

a reply to: GoShredAK

you ask & point to a few points:

........I know people have been saying the end is near in every generation but this time feels different.

I am just curious what the members of ATS think?

Do you believe the seven year tribulation has begun?

Or do you think this is all nonsense?

check out this relevant article , here: raygano.com...
TITLE: Run The Numbers Yourself – 2018 – The Generation’s End
By Ray Gano - January 9, 2018



the Great Tribulation has not begun... this present time is called the Beginning of Sorrows...

and could last until 2028 in calendar years, but in prophetic years that time frame is unknown


Next off... the Sign of the Son of Man was completed in September 2017 in what we call the Rev 12 prophecy/ Constellation Virgo birthing of the King Planet Jupiter... and the appearance of an interstellar object (A/2017-U1) zooming through this solar system & past the Sun towards 'heaven' during Sept 9th 2017, see: www.nytimes.com...


Next off... just like the 2012 hype which doom-porned TEOTWAWKI.....the Earth was not destroyed... the Maya calendar date was exclusively for the Maya's & not for the Global community... So too is the war/conflict to come will be between the forces of the Spirit dimension (Lucifers followers and human followers) in mortal conflict with the Old Testament God which created a sub-species of humans called Adamic-Men which later were reduced to Just the 12 Tribes of Israel & the remnant here in this present age

~make not doubt about it~ the wider human global community will become collateral damage as that Great Tribulation & Armageddon plays out between the Adamic-men & human allies against Satan's fallen Angels & human allies...by a decade at most from now



we need to expand our vision of the prophetic landscape from the current & limited 3-D model we embrace and inject the 4th dimension TIME into the process... but not the 3 dimensional concept of time passage

I dont know if the tribulation has begun but i think it will start soon very likely in the next 50 years