Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

a reply to: hartbeat

Laughing under extreme stress is fairly common. I've never been in this particular scenario, but I am prone to laughter during and after an event that causes tremendous stress. It is an involuntary response and not something people should be judged for.

originally posted by: RazorV66
Here is the picture of the doorway to the hotel room.
The left side door that is laying sideways was the side that was obviously breached by the police.
You can see a few bullet holes but there doesn't appear to be any on the right side door.
200 rounds fired?.....I doubt it.

Now this is interesting, another thread on this (I believe the one where Natural News used a Mass Spectrometer to determine the distance [hahaha] between Rifle Report and phones recording video) states the door was screwed shut and the Police breached the wall, not the door...

originally posted by: KansasGirl]

This "open door alarm" has bugged me. Why in the hell would there be an open door alarm? Do alarms go off every time a guest leaves or enters their room? Or stairway doors? An "open door alarm" in a hotel? What the hell is that?

I can answer this, having been a Hotel Night Porter in the past. Now I'm sure LV hotels are a lot more hi-tech than the one I worked in near Dundee in Scotland. I would assume they had programmable key-cards like ours, if a door for a room, that isn't booked out, opens, an alarm sounds (unless unllocked by a staff key, though the system still logs which key opens it). Basically, if the security guard is real, he was checking on an alarm that indicated a room might be being accessed illegally.

originally posted by: nicevillegrl
a reply to: dreamingawake

My husband found this online. Interestingly, the bus stop video it references has three single shots ring out after the steady fire has ended. Many were commenting this was likely the security guard being shot and then the suicide. This new information from press briefing tonight nixes that idea...

This is what I've been wondering about since Jesus, it seems, was now shot before all the carnage, not after. The shots after it all, once assumed to be Jesus taking one in the leg and the murdered killing himself (though this never sat right with me either considering the last OS claimed Jesus took one of 200 rounds in the leg, so why did we only hear 3 gunshots after the festival was shot up?)

If they keep pulling stunts like this it's going to be so obviosly a false flag that the story is going to unravel before our very eyes. Maybe "they've" been creating so many false flags they're becoming complacent?

Either way, false flag or elderly, privileged, white guy snaps, what we're being dished up looks like crap and smells like crap, he'll it's even starting to taste like crap...

originally posted by: hartbeat
a reply to: Mandroid7

Hi ATS, haven't posted in forever, good to be here.

Anyways, in that video, around the 1:45 mark, watch, as the 2 ladies are crouched behind the vehicle, the lady on the left is smiling....continuing to smile almost laughing it seems, then gets up and just jogs off.....if i was somewhere that was being shot up last thing would be to smile or laugh. Not saying it didn't happen, just found her expression and reaction bizarre.....

Welcome back

Yeah, good catch, don't know how I missed that one, it's "frozen" as the video screencap.

Interesting

originally posted by: Sabz228

originally posted by: Mandroid7
This whole story is off.
This video is floating around now. it shows the singer giving a que, and people running from the gunfire prematurely.
Psyops were legalized by Obama, so good luck prosecuting.

That video is edited and faked...
here is the original

Reply to:sabz228
what is edited?
looks the same in both videos
Same comment was on 4chan claiming it's fake

GO to 3:30 and watch the crowd pile out before shooting starts

originally posted by: sooth
a reply to: hartbeat

Laughing under extreme stress is fairly common. I've never been in this particular scenario, but I am prone to laughter during and after an event that causes tremendous stress. It is an involuntary response and not something people should be judged for.

Yes, I agree with you, It's like people who smile when being bullied as a defense.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: KansasGirl]

This "open door alarm" has bugged me. Why in the hell would there be an open door alarm? Do alarms go off every time a guest leaves or enters their room? Or stairway doors? An "open door alarm" in a hotel? What the hell is that?

I can answer this, having been a Hotel Night Porter in the past. Now I'm sure LV hotels are a lot more hi-tech than the one I worked in near Dundee in Scotland. I would assume they had programmable key-cards like ours, if a door for a room, that isn't booked out, opens, an alarm sounds (unless unllocked by a staff key, though the system still logs which key opens it). Basically, if the security guard is real, he was checking on an alarm that indicated a room might be being accessed illegally.

Yes but booth rooms were booked for paddock. No reason for those door alarms to come on. I think those alarms were for the windows being broken?

Window alarm goes off, security guy heads up to check on it. Knocks on the door. He gets shot. By the way I dont believe there was 200 shots. Where are the bullet wholes where the bullets hit at the end of the corridor? Not one picture of that damage in the MSM and they just loooove to show pix like that. Or in the leaked pictures either. Not to mention out of 200 bullets the guard gets only one leg shot....How lucky...

After he shoots the guard he start shooting at the crowd. Then he moves to the other room and starts shooting at the tanks which he fails. Then he offs himself.

originally posted by: sooth
a reply to: hartbeat

Laughing under extreme stress is fairly common. I've never been in this particular scenario, but I am prone to laughter during and after an event that causes tremendous stress. It is an involuntary response and not something people should be judged for.

Seconded, as I was saying to my kids' Gran the other day, as a youngster, when confronted by my parents for something, I couldn't stop grinning like a loony when I was telling the truth, my parents took this to mean I was lying but, when lying I could keep a poker straight face. In adult life I pride myself on my honesty but I no longer grin from ear to ear when being truthful...

Las Vegas Metro SERIOUSLY has to release the pics of these 200 bullet holes that went through the door, or release a pic of the wall on the other side of the door that these 200 bullet holes slammed into, or better yet let's see the door pic and the wall pic. If these pics aren't released within 24 hours we definitely have a huge conspiracy going on here.

Jesus has been hailed a hero for several days now. He interrupted the shooter who was already shooting on the crowd, possibly saving hundreds of people. NOW, all of a sudden he NEVER DID interrupt the shooter but showed up 6 minutes before the shooter even started the massacre?!?! So what did the Shooter (Paddock?) do for those 6 minutes between shooting at Jesus and starting the massacre? 6 minutes would be a TON of time to someone who wants to start a massacre but has to fire 200 bullets into a hotel hallway at security. After shooting into the hallway, Paddock would be expecting the Police to show up at literally any minute. So why did he wait the 6 minutes before starting to shoot from the windows?

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: MysticPearl
Why are there no pictures of a hallway riddled with bullets?

They make it seem like a Scarface move. Well, where's the hallway with 200+ bullet holes everywhere?

Well, 59 people were killed and 500+ injured by someone shooting into the crowd below, so what point are you trying to make? That shooting 200 rounds into a hallway is too outlandish to have happened?

Actually 58 were killed

originally posted by: szino9

Yes but booth rooms were booked for paddock. No reason for those door alarms to come on. I think those alarms were for the windows being broken?

Ah, I'd read a report he was responding to a door alarm in another room (not Paddock's). I guess it could have been a window alarm, I would imagine high rise hotels like that would have them, we only have the OS line that it was a door alarm.
I guess that's the crux of the issue when it comes to these things, there is only so much can be verified outwith the official investigation, all the little details (fabricated or otherwise) are so hard to verify.

originally posted by: szino9 out of 200 bullets the guard gets only one leg shot....How lucky...

I've read one theory that the first of the [alleged] 200 rounds was a well aimed shot to bring him down and the other 199(ish) were fired into the walls, pure speculation of course.

quote]originally posted by: szino9
After he shoots the guard he start shooting at the crowd. Then he moves to the other room and starts shooting at the tanks which he fails. Then he offs himself.


That seems a fairly realistic timeline, only moving the shooting of the guard to before the massacre, instead of at the end actually loosens off a couple of loose ends that were quite nicely tied up, namely the reason the gunman stopped firing into the Arena and the shots fired after the automatic rifle fell silent...

a reply to: djz3ro

Yes you are right. It was a plausible time line, still not explaining a lot of things. The one for me is being the role of the Aussie guy who said room 32-134 was the one he stayed. I might have missed it but have not seen any correction on that even though it is now established that room 32-134 is the one where the second window was broken, and it is also booked by paddock.

You guys are all worried about the 200 shots in the hallway when you should be worried about the notion that the security guard called in the exact location of the shooter to the police before the shooting on the concert even started. Yet first responding police still had to search floor by floor starting at floor 29 and working up to 31 before hearing gunshots one floor above. Then an hour later SWAT arrives.

The original story was that the first responding officers and security guard all got shot at when they first arrived, and they had to back off, and wait for SWAT. Now none of that is true, so what took so long to get to the room?

Lets not forget at 10:09 we hear shots happening inside the hotel room! These can no longer be explained, when before they were considered to be the real time of the security guard confrontation. See the video at 4:38: www.youtube.com...

It almost seems like the security guard had something to do with this. I am not buying the story that the security guard called in the location of the police after he got shot. I don't see why the first responders would have to search floor by floor, especially if the guard was with them (which is supposedly the case).

It seems to me the security guard maybe withheld the information, maybe to let the shooter escape, or something. The previous theories that maybe the security guard shot himself to remove suspicion he was involved could be true. After all, get shot in the thigh has one of the highest survival rates. Getting that many guns and ammo may have required some help from the security team.

I don't know, I didn't think this could get any more bizarre, but it just did.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Maybe it was a sick fetish.

The guy pretends to be a mass killer shooter, does it in full mock up, guns ammo the works. He panics when he sees a guard coming to his door when he has all of his fantasy toys out so he sprays him then does the real thing he has been practicing/fantasy role playing for years. In this scenario if the guard never walks down that hall, he packs up his goodies and leaves the hotel in the morning and starts planning for his next fantasy location.

Supposedly the hookers he was with say he liked to play out several fantasies that included brutal, violent rapes, so you just never know with something like this. Maybe he put a little too much pressure on the trigger, or panicked and sprayed out into the hallway. In that 6 minutes he was deciding what to do and then figured he was already #ed with the shots fired and all the guns. This is obviously a "way out there" theory but the whole incident has been "way out there" as well.

originally posted by: TheOnlyBilko
After shooting into the hallway, Paddock would be expecting the Police to show up at literally any minute. So why did he wait the 6 minutes before starting to shoot from the windows?

Bleeding out maybe? 6 minutes is indeed a long time in all this, even if the gunman shot and killed Jesus, 6 minutes is still a long time to go undetected after firing 200 rounds in a busy hotel.

Perhaps Jesus was a complication and, after being discovered by him, they had to change their plan and that 6 minutes was the planning phase?

Or maybe, if it was Paddock simply having snapped, he was having a change of heart and trying to psyche himself up?

The sad fact is, we'll never know.

I wonder if phorensics can tell if he was crying as he shot his victims...

originally posted by: szino9
a reply to: djz3ro

Yes you are right. It was a plausible time line, still not explaining a lot of things. The one for me is being the role of the Aussie guy who said room 32-134 was the one he stayed. I might have missed it but have not seen any correction on that even though it is now established that room 32-134 is the one where the second window was broken, and it is also booked by paddock.

I missed that but it intrigues me as I've seen evidence that the busted out windows might be the 29th and 30th floors, not 32nd and [I think] 33rd as reported. This comes from someone taking a pic of their dog in the hotel and superimposing it onto an exterior shot of the hotel with an arrow pointing to a higher up floor, stating which floor it is, that means the windows that were Paddock's Room are lower down than 32...

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: Sabz228

originally posted by: Mandroid7
This whole story is off.
This video is floating around now. it shows the singer giving a que, and people running from the gunfire prematurely.
Psyops were legalized by Obama, so good luck prosecuting.

That video is edited and faked...
here is the original

Reply to:sabz228
what is edited?
looks the same in both videos
Same comment was on 4chan claiming it's fake

GO to 3:30 and watch the crowd pile out before shooting starts

You can clearly hear a few shots before 3:30. Plus the new timeline says he was shooting at this own door before he even shot out at the crowd.

I have to post this once again:

Another Australian man staying at the Mandalay Bay Resort has spoken about his close call with the Las Vegas gunman - claiming he launched his murderous attack from the room next door. Australian Brian Hodge, who previously worked at Jupiters Casino on the Gold Coast, claimed he was staying in the room next to the shooter on level 32 at the Las Vegas resort. He said he managed to escape the initial horrific scenes inside the hotel but found himself forced to hide in a bush for several hours after the event. “I got outside safely and was hiding in bushes,” Mr Hodge said. “There were multiple people dead and multiple shooters. I was just hiding waiting for police to come get us. “We were hiding in the bushes outside waiting for the police.” Mr Hodge said he was staying in room 32134 while the gunman was in room 32135. “It was a machine gun from the room next to me,” he said. “My floor is a crime scene. They killed a security guard on my floor.” Wendy Miller from Cooroy, on the Sunshine Coast, was also caught up in the attack. She was at a bar in the nearby Luxor Hotel with her husband when she saw what she described as a “man of interest” run by. “We managed to make our way back to our room…” she told The Courier-Mail. “We are in lock down. “Our door is dead locked and a chair against the door.” Ms Miller said the man sprinted through her hotel after coming off an escalator from the Mandalay Bay. “The man that they [security] were chasing was wearing a security jacket like them,” she said.

The Courier Mail/Australia

Ok, the one victim says only that "they" killed a security guard on his floor, whoever "they" is.
And why should a bunch of security guards chase another security guard?
It can´t be the dead guard they chased, as i guess...

I don´t know, but in a movie the real shooters would be from an alphabet agency, disguised as security guards and fooled Paddock and made it look that he was the, for sure, at the end dead attacker!
Nobody would flee from the cinema, saying that the movie would be to unrealistic!

my thoughts

So the guard responds to the room before paddock starts shooting out the window.

He gets shot but escapes from all the bullets fired

He or who ever calls the cops but at this point no one realizes how much of a nut job this guy is. Right now just some crazy guy with a gun in this hotel room.

Until he starts firing out the window he's just some loon maybe lost his house gambling and maybe barricading himself in his room suicidle

I'm sure no one would of immediately imagined the scenario that played out