Mandela Effect - The World Map How We Remember It!

There is no land at the north Pole.

If you remember your history, in the mid-1950s a big deal was made of the fact that nuclear submarines could go between North America and Russia by sailing under the ice cap a the North Pole. If it was land instead of just an ice cap, it would be impossible to take a submarine under it....

...Which is totally inconsistent with the historical fact that submarines traversed the pole.

A land mass that large located at the North Pole would have severe climate implications. It would act like a cold sink, like the land mass of Antarctica does. Pack ice that never melts would extend much further south and cold water currents would be dramatically different.

This has been pointed out to the OP before, who completely ignores these points.

Also, as been pointed out: history would be much different. A land mass that large located there would have dramatic affects on what people have done:

Any type of international treaty like what was signed with Antarctica? OP has never, ever mentioned that before...and would be even more suspect to mention it now.

Missile bases located there?

Research stations located there?

All the US Naval polar missions would not have been able to happen either....and again: OP has never once mentioned that none of these happened?

Look at the OP's map: Iceland is now almost as big as Greenland (which is now much smaller). Considering who settled Iceland, this also should have been a major impact on history....which again the OP has failed to mention.

Looks like we have several countries that do not exist in the OP's other universe either: Somalia is gone, Djibouti is gone, Eritrea is gone, large portions of Sudan and Ethiopia are gone....OP never mentioned the non-existance of these countries.

Large chunks of Tanzania and Mozambique are gone....wow....looks like those poor countries suffered the wrath of the OP's paint brush.

Looks like poor Central America was nailed too: Costa Rica and Panama pretty much do not exist, and the Panama Canal? It runs North and South.....but looks like in the OP's world the canal either does not exist, or runs East and West....something else the OP failed to mention before.

Looks like San Diego doesn't exist either, and much of Baja California is just gone.

New Zealand: If it were truly that far north, it would have a completely different climate than it has....yet NO ONE ever, EVER mentions that.....some how it magically has the same climate that it has now.....truly an amazing feat to defy the way climate works.

Poor Florida.....a lot of it is missing. Same goes for Cuba.

Truly amazing how the OP comes from such an alien world, that would have DRASTIC climate differences......and history that would be so different....and yet: the OP never mentions this.

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

You wouldn't have to question if you read what I wrote. lol

..and history was so different (not very funny?) - everything from JFK to you name it..


At any rate - the North Pole.. Here's what I know about it.

1. There was a constant landmass there.

2. Admiral Byrd led expeditions there. That was where his 'hole to the center of the Earth' was. Wouldn't make sense to have a hole in the sea would it?

3. Secret Nazi bases. I remember a conspiracy about a nazi base inside the ice. A large cavern opening was there (could be seen on Google Maps). It was straight north of Wales.

4. The Barbershop Pole. It was there, and there was not one on the South Pole. There's a famous BBQ place in the city I live in. People like to take a bottle of the bbq sauce and put it in weird places and take photos. There was one such photo of a man with a bottle of the sauce on top of the North Pole pole hanging on the wall (amongst many, not there now). You had to stand there in line, so you had plenty of time to look at and read the caption below the photo. There were tons of North Pole pole photos in books and online (didn't need a bbq place photo to know - they taught about it in school, it was in cartoons, etc..). Now, there's no barber shop style pole there - it's always been what looks like a yard dart stuck in a piece of ice that moves. A moving, melting replaceable yard dart as a marker? (oh and of course now there's a barber shop pole at the south now lol).

5. Dog Sled Races. Every year they held multi-national dog sled races across the Arctic.

6. Shipping Lanes. We've had ice-busting hulls for a long time now (old iron sides might of been capable, but certainly after that for sure). Why are there no seasonal shipping lanes over the north if it's only broken up ice? That would save fuel and time - either of which would be all the reason needed to create shipping lanes there - yet there are no historical shipping lanes at all? Weird huh?

7. The ice sheets were melting. Every year on TV there were stories showing video of the ice melting at the North Pole - it was the Global Warming crowds calling card. There were never stories about the south pole ice. There are no stories about the North now.

8. The South Pole was much less 'discovered'. There were military expeditions there and I'm sure a few private interests that never made the news. The North Pole was the place to hang out. There were multiple news stories about multi-national science teams that were stationed there (now there is one large scientific outpost on the south pole).

9. In fact I remember a news story where one of those scientific outposts drilled for an ice core at the north pole and were able to discover much about the atmosphere during past mass extinction events.

10. I don't remember any stories about subs going under the north pole land mass - obviously, because that would be more than a little hard to do.


So that's what I know about the Arctic.

Here's another thing I know.. Our world was nicer - more of a polite society. I often wonder if that's why ATS changed so much for me - people were not allowed to be out-and-out a$$holes - now they are and it's the 'new norm'.


Another thing. If things ever flip back, and you Mr. Velocity find yourself in my old foreign world - I'm going to treat you nicely.

a reply to: Pearj

So what about all the countries that are non existent in your world?

Climate? Are the rules of physics different in your world?

And that's nice....but the only way I can travel to another universe not only violates many laws of physics, but the power requirement for it would not only obliterate me to the sub atomic level, but would require more power than exists in the universe, so I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen any time soon.

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

Unfortunately I don't have time to answer your new questions - we're already ruining late for something - I can later though.

I logged back in because something struck me..

Wasn't your username "Velocity Raptor"?

I swear it was... How weird. Maybe I'm thinking of somebody else - is there a user with that name?


..just asked my wife (she reads my posts) - she remembers "Velocity Raptor" as the your actual username too (not just your profile image).

"Terminal Velocity" is rather plain (no offence), and I remember thinking your username "Velocity Raptor" was rather unique - I usually notice these things, don't ask me why.lol

a reply to: Pearj

Nope. Always been TerminalVelocity

I added the avatar later.

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

I swear you were Velocity Raptor.. weird.

originally posted by: Pearj
a reply to: TerminalVelocity

I swear you were Velocity Raptor.. weird.

Probably because the words "Terminal Velociraptor" appears in his avatar, along with a Velociraptor falling at (presumably) terminal velocity.

With his screenname being similar to, but not exactly like, the words and image in his avatar, the potential for confusion is strong.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Yep, I understand - stated that already above.

Regardless - I remember his username matching his profile picture, and his username was VelocityRaptor. Wifey remembers the same thing.

are you a troll?
the original mandela effect one looks very f#cked up to me, that africa and iceland look like spmething from another planet
i cant believe thats what you thought the world looked like
specially after that oddly compelling thread on the homonculus

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

completely off topic
but everyone can travel to other dimensions, in fact there is a civilization (ufonauts or humanoids) that does this every day has the great vallee has shown
and people can do it without thecnology via time and dimensional slips, jenny randles book "time storms" is a great source of information in the subject

originally posted by: Pearj
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Yep, I understand - stated that already above.

Regardless - I remember his username matching his profile picture, and his username was VelocityRaptor. Wifey remembers the same thing.

Sorry, nope.

I wanted to use a physics term and "raptor" is not in any physics term.

I picked Terminal Velocity and ran it together. Had the account for several months before I came across the image of the raptor, which I found funny, so used it for my avatar.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: TerminalVelocity

completely off topict

If by "topic" you mean "my meds", I agree.

According to my readers digest atlas of the world, 1986, everything in the top depiction is in the correct place, this subject seems to pop up once a year, I have never seen the rendition in the bottom of the two maps.

a reply to: audubon

hahah so funny, no i have no mental problems, and now that i read the post indeed it looks kinda strange, but i can assure you the guys behind the ufo phenomena very likely have an interdimensional origin

a reply to: Pearj
I think the Mandela effect gives people with learning disabilities and/or whom did poorly in their studies...a free pass to get all neurotic and obsessive about things they simply, sloppily remember.

Slang, or even different dialects..form from lessened adherence to traditional practice...

I could have sworn it was "aren't" but it's "ain't"! (Must be Mandela!)..
I could have sworn it was "ask" ...not "axe"...(Must be Mandela)
Sometimes we just don't remember things exactly as they were!
In my opinion this is nothing less than a magnified culture-wide expression of the Dunning- Kruger effect...
...or were it "Kruger-Dunning"!!
Aaaalllmost as innane as the Flat Earth theory...

I am watching with interest the growing number of ME believers who think that the South African statesman's surname was spelt "Mandella". It's just a matter of time before a schism develops, with some believers claiming his surname was always spelt that way.

originally posted by: audubon
I am watching with interest the growing number of ME believers who think that the South African statesman's surname was spelt "Mandella". It's just a matter of time before a schism develops, with some believers claiming his surname was always spelt that way.

I coulda swooorn it wuz spelt "spelled"! (mustbemandela!)

originally posted by: audubon
I am watching with interest the growing number of ME believers who think that the South African statesman's surname was spelt "Mandella". It's just a matter of time before a schism develops, with some believers claiming his surname was always spelt that way.

Sooooo many people on ATS say it’s spelled “Mandela”, so there must be something to it.

I mean, how could that many people independently use that spelling unless it was ME? What else could it be?

MOMG!