Sometimes bad people do bad things

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: introvert

I remember a speech William Cooper once gave in which he says, in a nutshell, that it is wrong to label people as "evil" because it does not precipitate a reasonable, logical discussion on these sorts of issues.

Agreed.

Maybe that's why so many people apply the "evil" label. It conveniently removes intelligent dialogue from the discussion and instead places a convenient "label" in order to feel more safe.

How about we quit try'n hide from the real problem and call a spade a spade?
How does the word "evil " remove intelligent dialogue? Please explain that to me?

a reply to: Deaf Alien

It is.

originally posted by: randyvs

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: introvert

I remember a speech William Cooper once gave in which he says, in a nutshell, that it is wrong to label people as "evil" because it does not precipitate a reasonable, logical discussion on these sorts of issues.

Agreed.

Maybe that's why so many people apply the "evil" label. It conveniently removes intelligent dialogue from the discussion and instead places a convenient "label" in order to feel more safe.

How about we quit try'n hide from the real problem and call a spade a spade?
How does the word "evil " remove intelligent dialogue? Please explain that to me?

What is the real problem?

How does the word "evil " remove intelligent dialogue?

It essentially removes the dialogue that aims to understand and prevent by attributing "evil."

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: randyvs

Yes. The guy who suicided himself is the shooter.

In my opinion.

Unless you have evidence that proves otherwise. . . .

My opinion is your opinion is without the evidence you
call for to change your opinion. It is based on hear say only.
As if you can't see any possibility of a patsy. Why is that?

a reply to: Liquesence


So we should start by banning a word?



Okay!

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Liquesence


So we should start by banning a word?

Okay!

I don't believe anyone said anything about banning a word.

I simply believe that labeling something good or evil is counterproductive to a logical discussion.

Now we have to spend a lot of time and energy defining what good and evil even means.

Right or wrong, good and bad...we can universally agree on, but good or evil is subjective.

a reply to: randyvs

So we should start by banning a word?

Where did I ever advocate that?

What's your point?

a reply to: introvert

I disagree. Evil is universally recognized. I don't think it is subjective at all. Maybe varying levels of it are, but evil is evil and you know it when you see it.

How does the word "evil " remove intelligent dialogue? Please explain that to me?

'evil' is a vague religious term, science and psychiatry can explain it quite well, using vague concepts from old books does i think remove intelligent dialogue.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

I think that there are truly evil/bad/wrong people.

Not everyone can be as wonderful as me.

See.

See how easily people can justify their beliefs in their own mind?

Good and evil are subjective.

True.

Any one of us posting can be an evil psychopath.

How do we determine who isn't?

For the sake of the thread, and the comments therein, due to my previous comments about the word "evil" I am going to use the term "evil," and all comments regarding "evil" will be henceforth be about bad people and things they do.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: introvert

I disagree. Evil is universally recognized. I don't think it is subjective at all. Maybe varying levels of it are, but evil is evil and you know it when you see it.

Let me ask you. Is it "evil" to steal from someone else?

It is considered a sin.

a reply to: Liquesence

But people doing bad things is not the same as evil people doing evil things.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

I think that there are truly evil/bad/wrong people.

Not everyone can be as wonderful as me.

See.

See how easily people can justify their beliefs in their own mind?

Good and evil are subjective.

True.

Any one of us posting can be an evil psychopath.

How do we determine who isn't?

How can you determine who is good or evil when we cannot even provide an universally-accepted definition of evil?

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Liquesence

But people doing bad things is not the same as evil people doing evil things.

Evil. Bad. I don't think anyone can justify the killer in Vegas.

If there's an issue with calling him evil or bad, can we agree to call him a worthless asshole douche nozzle?

a reply to: Liquesence

Good and evil.

Right and wrong.

Moral absolutes. They do exist.

a reply to: introvert

No. If Joey steals a car for a joy ride, it is morally wrong, illegal, and punishable.

However, if hackers break into a system stealing the identity and personal information doing irreparable harm financially and psychologically to millions of innocent people, that is evil.

As I said, you know it when you see it.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence

Good and evil.

Right and wrong.

Moral absolutes. They do exist.

What is the ultimate good and what is the ultimate evil? Where are the boundaries? Who decides that?

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

I think that there are truly evil/bad/wrong people.

Not everyone can be as wonderful as me.

See.

See how easily people can justify their beliefs in their own mind?

Good and evil are subjective.

True.

Any one of us posting can be an evil psychopath.

How do we determine who isn't?

How can you determine who is good or evil when we cannot even provide an universally-accepted definition of evil?

Maybe that's part of what's wrong in our culture.

No one can agree what is evil.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Liquesence

Good and evil.

Right and wrong.

Moral absolutes. They do exist.

What is the ultimate good and what is the ultimate evil? Where are the boundaries? Who decides that?

You want to play the relativism game?