Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: daveinats
If he had the hall way covered with cameras, then he could have kept shooting. But he stopped. If he was set up to go down in a blaze of 'blue suicide' then why stop. If on the other hand, another person was in the other room, then there had to be a blame guy. I would not be surprised if there are areas of the room with no finger prints...as in someone wearing gloves or wiping their area down after the 'suicide'...

I've been wondering about this too, all along. Why did he stop shooting? He clearly had much more he could have done....all of those magazines stacked up!! Why did he stop? I've just read your post and havent read through the pages following, so I apologise to everyone if this has been addressed already.

Because the LEO's were about to breach the door to the room the shooter was occupied. Then he figured it was time to off-himself.

Wrong. He tried to escape somebody killed him

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: celticniall

The only reason I can think of for it to have occurred the way we are being told that it did would be if the broke the window out in 32-134 first, looked out and didn't like the angle that he had to shoot from... then carried his guns over to the other room ... then locked the door between the rooms to give himself an added layer of security, exited 32-134 via the hallway and entered 32- 135 to break out the other window and start shooting.

Seems pretty contrived though... especially when the guy was said to have planned this thing out so meticulously. Right?

Yeah, that doesn't really jive.
He would have known by looking through the window before breaking it out if the shot was good.
Something stinks in this room, and I really hope we find the smoking dead fish.

a reply to: AdemirAlagic

No fired a quick few rounds through the door at security officer

Later when LVPD reached floor - shooter saw them on his camera in the hallway

This is when unleashed burst of gunfire down the hallway to back off the police

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: AdemirAlagic

No fired a quick few rounds through the door at security officer

Later when LVPD reached floor - shooter saw them on his camera in the hallway

This is when unleashed burst of gunfire down the hallway to back off the police

No he didn't. Jesus Christ he # 200 rounds alone st the security and then the cops came right after and shooting stopped.

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: daveinats
If he had the hall way covered with cameras, then he could have kept shooting. But he stopped. If he was set up to go down in a blaze of 'blue suicide' then why stop. If on the other hand, another person was in the other room, then there had to be a blame guy. I would not be surprised if there are areas of the room with no finger prints...as in someone wearing gloves or wiping their area down after the 'suicide'...

I've been wondering about this too, all along. Why did he stop shooting? He clearly had much more he could have done....all of those magazines stacked up!! Why did he stop? I've just read your post and havent read through the pages following, so I apologise to everyone if this has been addressed already.

Because the LEO's were about to breach the door to the room the shooter was occupied. Then he figured it was time to off-himself.

The time is a mystery..

I had heard early on that he had multiple rifles because with the fully auto mods (bump stock) there was risk of the barrel welding itself shut from the heat? Otherwise the rifles were not engineered to withstand that rate of fire for very long?

Don't know..

Other possibilities is that he was working on an exit plan?

The timeline needs to be laid out with precision. When he stopped shooting. when he shot the security guard. When he offed himself and when the breech happened.

a reply to: soberbacchus

No, the media is. The same media who hides Islamic attacks and hates the POTUS.

The Trump administration is doing what it should. Being quiet. The DOJ/FBI are not giving us the whole story and if you look at the LVPD they look like they are reading off a script.

Common sense would have let you understand the statement.

And the security guy said the door was opened ... I just find his story bull#.. the guy goes alone unarmed gets shot at by 200 rounds gets only a small flesh wound.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: AdemirAlagic

No fired a quick few rounds through the door at security officer

Later when LVPD reached floor - shooter saw them on his camera in the hallway

This is when unleashed burst of gunfire down the hallway to back off the police

So they are saying he had an "Elaborate Escape Plan" that would have necessitated help from at least one other individual.

Thus the Woman-Hunt for the woman he was seen with (not girlfriend) in the days leading up to the attack.

I suspect his suicide followed some clear indication that his elaborate escape plan was not going to happen.

Cell communications might provide clues?
Did they recover a phone?
He wasn't dumb. With the Chaos below and ground littered with garbage and personal possessions far below, he could have thrown his phone out the window once done and it would have smashed on the street below along with the rest of the garbage left by the fleeing masses.
They need to hammer down on all his communications, cell, net etc. during the attack window.
He had an escape plan.
Likely involved someone else.
That fell through.
Suicide wasn't a first choice, it was a second choice.
What happened, what communication made him pivot to the second option.

Just confirmed he called the hotel
Security twice to complain about the sound coming from a room below him.

a reply to: matafuchs

It's amazing how desperately some are trying to hold on to this anti-Right narrative. A narrative that has no support and originates from a (now deleted) Gateway Pundit article where they identified the wrong man as the shooter.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: soberbacchus

No, the media is. The same media who hides Islamic attacks and hates the POTUS.

Get past the crazy...


The "Media" is quoting multiple investigators, LVPD, FBI et al.

The Trump administration is doing what it should. Being quiet. The DOJ/FBI are not giving us the whole story and if you look at the LVPD they look like they are reading off a script.

Objective thinking matters. A lot.

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
Just confirmed he called the hotel
Security twice to complain about the sound coming from a room below him.

WTF?

Is this being reported?
Was his intent misdirection?

a reply to: soberbacchus

This isn't a new development. I saw it being talked about yesterday. The complaints were made the two days prior to the shooting. He was complaining that the room below him was playing their music too loud.

originally posted by: AdemirAlagic
And the security guy said the door was opened ... I just find his story bull#.. the guy goes alone unarmed gets shot at by 200 rounds gets only a small flesh wound.

Yes that open door thing is a mystery.
Why is the door to the main suite open?
Was that service cart in front of the door to 32-134 or was it moved to where it is in the crime scene photo?
I am trying to figure out if there was a second person involved (does not have to be a shooter) how they could account for the other room 32-134 being locked at the adjoining door.
There are a couple of possibilities.

Say there are two shooters, Paddock at the window in the main suite and the second shooter in the other window.
The second shooter fires for the bulk of the shooting, locks the door between the rooms then leaves out the door to the hall of room 32-134. They enter the main suite and leave the door slightly open. They are going in there to finish the mission.
They shoot Paddock
As they are about to leave the guard shows up so they blast away at him.
He backs off. Now they are trying to figure out what to do. They see the cops down the hall on their video monitor. So they blast away to make them take cover. They drop their rifle at the door and move to the stairwell. The cops said the stairwell entrance was blocked but we do not know how. Maybe they pulled something in front of the door to disguise their route of escape and it made the cops not want to try and move it. Now they go down the stairwell to the floor below and blend in with the other guests that are going to the elevators to leave.

a reply to: soberbacchus

is this being reported?

yes

He probably wanted it quiet so he could focus. Of course I would think it a bit risky to call security from his room for any reason at all. They might come up and give him an in-person update on noise problem.

LAS VEGAS (WLS) --
Las Vegas police said Stephen Paddock had a plan to escape following Sunday's mass shooting.

They also said he left a note in his room. While they declined to disclose what it said, they confirmed it was not a suicide note.

"Stephen Paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo and living a secret life, much of which will never be fully understood, and planned on the worst massive attack," said Las Vegas Sheriff Joe Lombardo at a Wednesday evening press conference.


Lombardo said Paddock had an escape plan, a scheme that may have included containers of explosive chemicals found in his car.

Authorities also now say Paddock, 64, must have had some help at some point; they just don't know who, or why.

abc7chicago.com...

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: Erno86

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: daveinats
If he had the hall way covered with cameras, then he could have kept shooting. But he stopped. If he was set up to go down in a blaze of 'blue suicide' then why stop. If on the other hand, another person was in the other room, then there had to be a blame guy. I would not be surprised if there are areas of the room with no finger prints...as in someone wearing gloves or wiping their area down after the 'suicide'...

I've been wondering about this too, all along. Why did he stop shooting? He clearly had much more he could have done....all of those magazines stacked up!! Why did he stop? I've just read your post and havent read through the pages following, so I apologise to everyone if this has been addressed already.

Because the LEO's were about to breach the door to the room the shooter was occupied. Then he figured it was time to off-himself.

The time is a mystery..

I had heard early on that he had multiple rifles because with the fully auto mods (bump stock) there was risk of the barrel welding itself shut from the heat? Otherwise the rifles were not engineered to withstand that rate of fire for very long?

Don't know..

Other possibilities is that he was working on an exit plan?

The timeline needs to be laid out with precision. When he stopped shooting. when he shot the security guard. When he offed himself and when the breech happened.

At the very least...a gas impingement AR-15 (not a piston AR) is designed for gas tube malfunction, before the barrel melts from a highly sustained round count.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Desperately holding on? So I guess you know WTF happened right? Enlighten us oh great one. I was simply talking about how the media is being very silent and cautious where if this had been a black rap concert shot up by a 'white guy' it would all be Trumps fault.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: soberbacchus

The complaints were made the two days prior to the shooting. He was complaining that the room below him was playing their music too loud.

Ahh..OK.

I thought during the shooting he called and made a noise complaint about the room below him, which would have been kind of smart to buy himself a little time misdirecting the cops amidst the chaos. "Hey...it sounds like the room below me is lighting off fireworks!".

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Desperately holding on? So I guess you know WTF happened right? Enlighten us oh great one.

For effs sake..

You just got done claiming a bunch of crap that makes no sense and someone points it and you go all asshat.

It is not binary. Example: Just because we know that Stephen Paddock was not VP Pence in disguise, does not mean we know everything.