Gov’t Ruined 653,249 Lives Over Cannabis in 2016 Because 5 Corrupt Industries Paid Them To

originally posted by: ShadeWolf
a reply to: Boadicea

That's not how that works. At all. The body naturally generates endocannabinoids (which are not the same thing as recreational cannabis or THC) on its own, there's no need for any supplemental intake.

At all, huh?

Hmmmmm..... perhaps we should define terms here. Our bodies have endocannabinoid receptors for cannabinoids... and yes, our bodies do make some cannabinoids... much like our bodies also make some Vitamin D and our bodies make some antibiotics and our bodies make some antihistamines. And for whatever reasons, at times, our bodies need more than what we can make ourselves. Hence, supplements.

For example, cannabinoids are known for their anti-inflammatory properties... but people still suffer from inflammation in various ways. Obviously, our bodies are not all producing all the cannabinoids we need to not suffer inflammation.

Likewise, our bodies become infected from viruses or bacteria, etc., and though our body can fight many infections successfully and bring it back to state of well-being, sometimes it cannot and we need supplemental antibiotics.

If you're saying there's a way to increase our own cannabinoid production, or that our focus should be to find a way to increase our own body's production, that would be awesome and I'd love to hear about it... but to say that because our bodies already make their own so we don't need it is proven untrue simply by the reality all around -- and within! -- us.

If you can point me in the right direction to read more about what you're saying, I'd be happy to read about it.

a reply to: ManFromEurope

People do stupid horrific things while not on drugs too..deny it.

And don't try and lump in MJ with meth, bath salts, flakka..etc

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

Because it is only your own choice what you do with your body as long as you do not interfere with other people.

And that is not a given for drug-users. Note that I do not use "abusers".


And there is a TON of news about people doing stupid/dangerous/harmful/ugly/horrific things to other people while on drugs. Deny that? Please don't, because that would put you on my personal list of "irresponsible drug user"..

I can say only this. The stupidest and most reckless things I ever did in my life were under the influence of one drug and one drug alone. Alcohol. i am not ashamed to admit it but it is not something to be proud of either. Just because it is legally available does not, by definition, make it "good". It's also a poison.


ETA: It sure is fun though...

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: Boadicea

That's a little bit too much pro-cannabis, dial it back to about a .. 6. Or 7.

Because we do not NEED cannabis as the central source of cannabinoids, our body can work easily without cannabis per se.
Source: my body and billions of other people's bodies.

Well stated.

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
What makes it so bad is trying to get a job after being busted.
You can also be denied medical care from a pain specialist for using it.
Why there is so much stigma attached to it's usage is beyond ridiculous.
Every stoner I've ever known was a peaceful person and often very caring.
The most dangerous people I've known were drunks who, when they hit a certain level in the bloodstream, become Jekyll and Hyde versions of themselves.

Abd when stoners reach that level they take a nap.

Not always, sometimes they declare war on their refrigerator and take it's entire contents hostage.
They can become quite violent with a quart of rocky road.

originally posted by: Edumakated
War on drugs has been an absolute failure...

Nope, it has been an absolute success for those who have and are profiting from it.

For those who are against cannabis, and say we do not NEED it. Do you you drink alcohol?

If yes then I have to say you're a bunch of hypocrites.
Actually some people do need it. I for one have seizures that cannabis would ease, or even prevent altogether if it was legal and I could access it. Unlike a lot of the pharma drugs my doctors would have me on with side effect much worse than the seizures themselves as well as make me a zombie. On legal meds I could not run my business. With cannabis I would not only have my health issues sorted, I would still be able to function and contribute to society.
As it is I just have to suck it up and live with my health issues because I am damned if I do or damned if I don't.

And even if I did not need it, as for recreational it would be my preferred option over alcohol which I dislike.
Never had a problem with any stoners. But have had nothing but problems with angry asshole drunks.
But you keep telling yourselves weed is evil while you suck down a bottle of scotch and a few beers destroying as many brain cells as you can.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
What makes it so bad is trying to get a job after being busted.
You can also be denied medical care from a pain specialist for using it.
Why there is so much stigma attached to it's usage is beyond ridiculous.
Every stoner I've ever known was a peaceful person and often very caring.
The most dangerous people I've known were drunks who, when they hit a certain level in the bloodstream, become Jekyll and Hyde versions of themselves.

Abd when stoners reach that level they take a nap.

Not always, sometimes they declare war on their refrigerator and take it's entire contents hostage.
They can become quite violent with a quart of rocky road.

Both Refrigerators and Rocky Road ice cream lives matter.

First of all, I just wanna point out I don't smoke. But my thing is that when the punishment for a "crime" is more damaging than the "crime" itself, it's time to reevaluate either the "crime" or the punishment. Otherwise it's the law enforcement doing the damage, thus making them the primary perpetrators of said crime.

a reply to: 727Sky

Perspective is everything... But I can tell you this much -- as can many others -- I have absolutely no doubt that cannabis has helped keep me alive.

I can agree with that-if it wasn't for cannabis i wouldn't be here today. I was in a dark period in my life and on my recent birthday I was going to end it all through sleeping pills and alcohol but then mary jane stopped me.

Methinks big pharma doesn't like mary jane it because it's more effective. It can treat epilepsy, depression, loss of appetite, treatment for those in palliative care, etc I've also read that the states that have legalized it have significantly lower cases of opiate overdoses, sorry but I can't verify it with a link.

I was pretty much a guinea pig for my shrink, as we all know most shrinks are proxies for big pharma and that unnatural crap, sometimes the side effects are hideous, you can get withdrawals-hell one drug I was on gave me sleep paralysis when I was awake! But a harmless weed? oh no bad juujuu, you need to be locked up.

Yes cannabis can be harmful to the mind in excessive use, but so is opiates and they are far more deadly and addictive. But I will say that hydroponic medicinal marijuana depletes the THC and the other good stuff so that's why it's best to be cultivated naturally, It's called weed for a reason. Leave Mary Jane alone!

a reply to: 727Sky


Sorry but cannabis is a billion dollar a year industry for Mexico alone. Those who think there is no harm involved with it are fooling themselves.

How many people suffer or die while these smugglers try to get their product to the US? How many government officials do they pay off to make it happen? How many gangs murder over control of the drug trade?

Supporting this product means you are supporting all the violence that people use to produce and ship it.

Legalizing in the States undercuts the Mexican cartels. If they cannot sell their product here what will happen? Think about alcohol prohibition and the violence involved.
When alcohol is legal there is not a problem with smuggling, gang violence and official bribing in regards to alcohol. Actually there is a much smaller problem because people still make moonshine and sell it which is illegal because it is distilled. However you can make beer or wine for your own use.
If pot were legal and people could grow their own there is no need to smuggle it in.
Supporting a product that can help people with many medical problems is not supporting the violence. Our Federal government is supporting the violence by making cannabis illegal.
Why do you think cartels want it illegal in the State?

a reply to: ManFromEurope

Marijuana is not addicting......

a reply to: LeoLeoMidWest


How many people are going to grow their own?

And do you really think the Cartels are going to give up a billion dollar industry?

Nope, they will move up here and simply grow it here increasing the violence.

Most meth is created here and look at the violence associated with that.

a reply to: vinifalou

So true, ive seen it with my own two eyes. While it wasn't exactly as you say, its so darn close. Contraband enters the system thru arrest, and conveniently find its way back out to the street. Only to repeat the process, again and again. Total cash cow. It's a corrupted system at best, and a complete failure at worst. It lies somewhere in the middle, and on that scale...none of it is what I'd call good.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

I can agree with that-if it wasn't for cannabis i wouldn't be here today. I was in a dark period in my life and on my recent birthday I was going to end it all through sleeping pills and alcohol but then mary jane stopped me.

'Tis a blessed plant... and I'm so glad it helped you get through those dark times -- and I hope and pray -- brought you to a better place on the other side of the crisis. Me thinks you might have an angel on your shoulder to bring you to that point. And beyond. Make the most of it and be sure to be good to yourself!!!

Marijuana is unlike any other natural drug. I believe if studied appropriately, we could learn many more benefits of the plant and its compounds, and how it naturally works with the body to heal. Maybe -- just maybe -- the door has been opened just enough, allowing enough of us to realize its benefits, that that door can never be closed again...

But it will take a while to get past the propaganda and stigma. My mother was diagnosed with breast cancer early this year. She was too afraid of medical marijuana to even try it. Not even high CBD oil. She was afraid of being arrested, afraid of being mentally impaired for life, she was afraid of getting "bad" stuff. Just the suggestion was so stressful for her that we backed off. It could have helped tremendously while she was going through chemo, but she refused. That's just not right.

Good luck and all the best to you

No. Those people ruin their own lives. I personally don't have a problem with cannabis if used in moderation, same way I feel about alcohol. But if you know something is illegal and you do it anyway it's no one's fault but your own. There are certain laws I don't like but I still obey them because I'm responsible for my own actions.

originally posted by: Sadeis
a reply to: 727Sky


Sorry but cannabis is a billion dollar a year industry for Mexico alone. Those who think there is no harm involved with it are fooling themselves.

How many people suffer or die while these smugglers try to get their product to the US? How many government officials do they pay off to make it happen? How many gangs murder over control of the drug trade?

Supporting this product means you are supporting all the violence that people use to produce and ship it.

Those smugglers are most probably working for your government.

Governments are the most prolific illegal drug producers and traffickers on the planet. Bar none.

Get em hooked on prescriptions, watch them cluck, then jail them for managing and medicating their withdrawal/addiction with govt trafficked street drugs.

It's a vile corrupt system whose govt and politicians see it as acceptable and normal to take bribes from big industry for legislation that benefits only private profits, not society. Laws are supposed to of benefit to society so that it remains a civilised and safe place for us all to live.

These days legislation can be commissioned, tailored, bought. And people wonder why the system and society are in the toilet. It was never designed for all this iniquitous corruption.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
What makes it so bad is trying to get a job after being busted.
You can also be denied medical care from a pain specialist for using it.
Why there is so much stigma attached to it's usage is beyond ridiculous.
Every stoner I've ever known was a peaceful person and often very caring.
The most dangerous people I've known were drunks who, when they hit a certain level in the bloodstream, become Jekyll and Hyde versions of themselves.

Abd when stoners reach that level they take a nap.

Not always, sometimes they declare war on their refrigerator and take it's entire contents hostage.
They can become quite violent with a quart of rocky road.

Yeah true. But then they take a nap. Every time lol.