Republicans Trying One Last Time to Replace ObamaCare Before the 9.30.2017 Deadline.

Democrats were caught off guard by how quickly the Graham-Cassidy ObamaCare repeal-replace bill gained support and started to move towards a vote by the Senate.

Senate minority leader, Chuck Schumer, says that he will "gum up the works" in an effort to make the Republicans miss the September 30th deadline.

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: carewemust

My BIG problem with a Medicare-For-All system is that runaway costs have not been addressed.
Drugs, services, procedures, lawsuits, salaries...all need to be reined in...if not....the costs will still be sent to the consumer....or the taxpayers.


Right now, Medicare recipients still pay too much to go to the doctor.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

I wholeheartedly agree what you posted.

No one in power nor the influential will touch cost issues with 100' pole and we all know why.

The public misinformed and propagandized really know no better due lack of information regarding the many longstanding laws broken by heathcare industry and what beneficial effect would occur if those laws were upheld as written.

The medical industry has no immunities from anti-trust laws and I've read that two SCOTUS cases say that's indeed true.

Dr. Rand Paul (senator) had an immunities clause for anti-trust laws hidden in his proposed bill on healthcare late this past spring.

The industry and politicians all know sooner or later someone (State AG) is going to get gumption to bring a case against the industry.

Bet dollar on a dime ANY new proposals will have poison pill that prevents public redress through laws and court system regarding anti-trust activeties.

The situation to me is so far out of control and corrupt that I do not believe reform is possible with current players - only total teardown and rebuild will solve the problems mostly due naked greed and payola.

2-3 year process and very painful.

Phoenix

originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
a reply to: carewemust

My BIG problem with a Medicare-For-All system is that runaway costs have not been addressed.
Drugs, services, procedures, lawsuits, salaries...all need to be reined in...if not....the costs will still be sent to the consumer....or the taxpayers.


Right now, Medicare recipients still pay too much to go to the doctor.

As I get older, I start to envision the country's financial system as just a big washing machine. There is XX amount of money swirling around. You can divert some here...divert some there...but it's still the same amount in the machine. Save money on one thing, and it just relocates to a different part of the wash...but will eventually swirl back around again...

Spend $3 Trillion on Single-Payer, that's $3 Trillion relocated from one sector to another...but eventually it comes back to the original spot...before it's spent elsewhere in the economy.

I suppose the "trick" in life, is to be able to grab as much money as you can..and spend it back into the economy by buying nice things for your family. Your expenditures then flow to other consumers.

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan said this evening that if the Senate passes Graham-Cassidy Obamacare replacement, he will order a vote on the bill the moment it arrives in the House of Representatives.

Story: www.cnn.com...

It's very puzzling why Republicans plan for more people to have less coverage isn't gaining momentum...



Maybe they should take this moment in time when they have the ball to stop sh#tting the bed and instead get on board with Bernie's Medicare For All plan.

Maybe a plan that puts people before the interests of insurance companies.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
It's very puzzling why Republicans plan for more people to have less coverage isn't gaining momentum...

Maybe they should take this moment in time when they have the ball to stop sh#tting the bed and instead get on board with Bernie's Medicare For All plan.

Maybe a plan that puts people before the interests of insurance companies.

Quite the contrary...momentum is gaining for replacing the horrific ACA-Obamacare law. I'm watching a live McConnell-Graham-Cassidy press conference right now. What they have to do is not let Democrat whiners trip em up this time.

a reply to: carewemust

Isn't this the bill that fully defunds Medicaid for everyone? And lets insurance companies charge you more in premiums when you get sick?

I guess it eliminates the mandate though...

Also, convenient they're ramming this through, knowing full well that it can't be CBO scored for weeks/months, so they're free to lie about the financial impact of it.

a reply to: Aazadan

No..it's different from any of the other bills.

It pretty much takes us back to the days before ObamaCare. States get the money and draw the parameters for health insurance companies. If you're not in California or New York, you'll most likely be free once again from government mandates, and have far more choices.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Aazadan

No..it's different from any of the other bills.

It pretty much takes us back to the days before ObamaCare. States get the money and draw the parameters for health insurance companies. If you're not in California or New York, you'll most likely be free once again from government mandates, and have far more choices.

So if states get the money for this bill, how is it ok to take that funding, yet it's not ok to take ACA funding?

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
It's very puzzling why Republicans plan for more people to have less coverage isn't gaining momentum...

Maybe they should take this moment in time when they have the ball to stop sh#tting the bed and instead get on board with Bernie's Medicare For All plan.

Maybe a plan that puts people before the interests of insurance companies.

that isn't the republicans goal......their goal is to give more tax breaks to the wealthy and corporate. they want poor people to die earlier from not having adequate healthcare, or none at all.
if more poor people die earlier, they do not use up medical dollars in their old age, and they do not have as much social security dollars going to them each month.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Aazadan

No..it's different from any of the other bills.

It pretty much takes us back to the days before ObamaCare. States get the money and draw the parameters for health insurance companies. If you're not in California or New York, you'll most likely be free once again from government mandates, and have far more choices.

you forgot the 700 billion Obama took from the general Medicare and Medicaid account to finance the ACA......the republicans ARE NOT returning that money to the federal account.......the biggest losing states will be (as announced today) California, New York, Massachusetts, and Maine, representing 25% of the entire population of the U.S., also who happen to vote democratic (shocker)

here's the thing for democrats to realize, republicans for decades have stuck it to the underclass every chance they get....and yet the public keeps voting for them, hoping that they will SOMEHOW help them out with better wages, jobs, AND financial security....fact: every minimum wage hike since it's inception in 1938, happened under a democratic congress with 1 exception, in 1996.

the republicans have never been for the regular hard working American, neither have the wealthy, nor the business community, and yet republicans keep voting them in.

They've got most of you folks right where they want you,

Arguing and debating politics, policy, plans, coverage minutiae, single pay, double pay, triple pay, rich vs poor and whether or not grandma is pushed off cliff in wheelchair.

That way you'll never ask why so expensive - and once learning why - never ask that laws be applied to fix real problem.

As long as everyone remains in their little boxes and defends them as they are,

Nothing really changes and TBTF is happy.

a reply to: jimmyx


I usually vote Republican because the party is Anti-Abortion and Pro-Business owners. They have traits I don't like, but they're lower on the priority list.

Here's a good article that explains why Mitch McConnell MUST schedule a vote on the Graham-Cassidy bill ASAP. Several procedures have to be completed, if the vote is to occur before the September 29th deadline. (Sept 30th is a Saturday and is also Yom Kippur)

If McConnell is Serious: thehill.com...

Oh my goodness... Did Schumer and Pelosi "get played" by the master businessman/strategizer President Donald Trump?

By cutting a deal with President Donald Trump early this month to remove hurricane relief, the debt ceiling and government funding from lawmakers’ to-do list before September 30, they opened the door for a third major Republican health care push.

“I remember the first thing we said here was, ‘Oh my god, they’re bringing back health care.’ If not for the Pelosi-Schumer deal with Trump, right now what we would be talking about would be the debt ceiling and the (continuing resolution to fund the government).

Congress has trouble passing these things and they always wait for the last minute, and that’s what we would be doing right now. But those were taken off the table and now we have this bill,” Padilla said. “Schumer and Pelosi should have waited until after September 30 to start cutting deals.”

From the Liberal Progressive: www.kcmotalkradio.com...

Super inspiring this plan to charge sick people more and provide less coverage. Republicans don’t care about people. Only money. Of course this is nothing new, it’s just hard to understand how sh#tty republicans are willing to be. Total worthless scum bags. Literally the obstacle to goodness.

This healthcare plan does sh#t all for health - but will make greedy people happy.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Super inspiring this plan to charge sick people more and provide less coverage. Republicans don’t care about people. Only money. Of course this is nothing new, it’s just hard to understand how sh#tty republicans are willing to be. Total worthless scum bags. Literally the obstacle to goodness.

This healthcare plan does sh#t all for health - but will make greedy people happy.

SICK PEOPLE only pay more if they wait until AFTER THEY ARE SICK to buy the health insurance. Just like any other type of insurance.

With this new ObamaCare replacement plan, it will be up to your state to determine if sick people will pay more, and if they get assistance with paying the premium. The Federal Government (taxpayers) will send the money generated by ObamaCare taxes to the states. The ball is then in their courts.

The only way to avoid having sick people pay more at application time, is to have taxpayers pay the additional charge for applying for coverage while sick.

Or, you can just do what crazy ObamaaCare does, and charge all the healthy people a lot more money than they should be paying, and distribute that excess to medical providers who are treating the sick. But Americans are getting fed up by being screwed over by that shell game.

a reply to: carewemust

It’s not Obamacare that’s screwing people. It’s insurance companies that are bleeding people to gain support against Obamacare. Insurance companies are the culprit here and every plan will always screw over the people as long as insurance companies are in control.

If insurance companies can only exist by finding ways to limit and deny coverage then their total existence is a fail.

a reply to: carewemust

You never answered me earlier. Why is the feds giving states money for health care in this plan ok, but not ok under the ACA?

originally posted by: carewemust
Or, you can just do what crazy ObamaaCare does, and charge all the healthy people a lot more money than they should be paying, and distribute that excess to medical providers who are treating the sick. But Americans are getting fed up by being screwed over by that shell game.

That's how the insurance model works though, those who aren't making claims are supposed to pay more than they would otherwise pay if they didn't have any claims.

The only problem with that though, is everyone makes health claims (or they choose to die instead). You cannot run an insurance system where everyone is guaranteed to make expensive claims during their lifetime.