Canada now investigates 'climate denial'

This is very, very dangerous...

It doesn't even matter on what side of this question you stand, or if (like me) you are still undecided, the idea of the Canadian Government actively investigating whether or not criminal charges should be laid simply because of expression of views that are contrary to the current Climate Change consensus is barbaric.

What's next, if you challenge Einstein's General Theory of Relativity you will be put in chains?

It’s like something out of George Orwell’s 1984. Canada’s Competition Bureau, an arm’s length agency funded by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government to the tune of almost $50 million annually, investigated three organizations accused of denying mainstream climate science for over a year, following a complaint from an environmental group.

It is one thing to have eco-warriors spouting off on social media about how Government Officials who deny the sacred precepts of the Climate Change doctrine should be jailed (as happened after hurricanes Harvey and Irma). It is quite another for a Government - in a supposedly free society - to take up the matter, and to consider it seriously!

The complaint was filed by Ecojustice on behalf of six “prominent” Canadians, including former Ontario NDP leader and UN ambassador Stephen Lewis.

It accused three groups, Friends of Science, the International Climate Science Coalition, and the Heartland Institute of making false and misleading claims about climate change, including that the sun is the main driver of climate change, not carbon dioxide, and that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.

When it launched its complaint in December, 2015, Ecojustice told the National Observer it would press the Commissioner of Competition to refer the matter to the Attorney-General of Canada for “criminal charges against the denier groups”.

It would seem that the combination of activism by the renowned Socialist Stephen Lewis, and the election of "sunny ways" lefty Justin Trudeau, are all that was needed to suspend civil liberties in Canada.

The investigation, after more than a year (and who knows how many taxpayer dollars), was dropped, but...

...it will re-open its investigation should it receive relevant new information from the public

From Carbon Tax to Carbon Incarceration?

This is very dangerous ground the left is now treading on...the persecution, and even prosecution, of those who would dare to go against the "conventional wisdom".

Galileo (1564–1642) was targeted by the Inquisition in 1633 for publishing a treatise on his observation that the earth revolves around the sun. His writings were banned and Galileo spent the remainder of his life under house arrest.

Rhazes (860–932 AD) was a prominent physician in Baghdad. He introduced the works of Hippocrates and Galen to the Arabic world. His “western” teachings brought him into conflict with the local hierarchy. He lost his teaching position, he was arrested, and his books were outlawed. His torturers hit his head with his books until he was blind.

...and many more

Scientific Heretics

Oh...and the "consensus" is not always right.

Alfred Wegener (1880-1930) proposed the theory of Continental Drift, that Earth’s continents move very slowly and over millions of years they can move a long way. Wegener’s theory was rejected by most other scientists during his lifetime. It was only in the 1960s that continental drift finally became part of mainstream science.

Ignaz Semmelweis (1818-1865) In 1847 Semmelweis, an obstetrician, published evidence that when doctors washed their hands before examining or treating patients, the mortality rate for women in his birthing ward in Vienna, Austria, was greatly reduced. He could not explain why hand-washing was effective – he didn’t know about germs – he just saw that it worked and that patients no longer caught fevers and other diseases.

Semmelweis became clinically depressed when his work was rejected. He was lured by another doctor into an insane asylum in Vienna. Realizing it was a trap, Semmelweis tried to get out, but was held and badly beaten by guards and placed in a straightjacket. He died two weeks later, most likely from injuries he suffered during the beating.

Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543) began a scientific revolution when he resurrected the idea that the earth and other planets orbit the sun. He published his work shortly before he died. Most astronomers who read Copernicus’s book thought it was excellent work, but they did not believe it – mostly they still thought the earth was center of the universe.

Amedeo Avogadro (1776-1856) proposed that equal volumes of different gases contain an equal number of molecules, provided they are at the same temperature and pressure. His hypothesis was rejected by other scientists during his lifetime. By 1870 it was generally recognized to be correct. Avogadro’s hypothesis in now known as Avogadro’s law.

Consensus Killers from History

a reply to: mobiusmale

It doesn't even matter on what side of this question you stand, or if (like me) you are still undecided, the idea of the Canadian Government actively investigating whether or not criminal charges should be laid simply because of expression of views that are contrary to the current Climate Change consensus is barbaric.

seeing how you're undecided you should relish this.
those brave naysayers could get their day in court presenting zero evidence which could sway you one way or the other.
it might expose how much money these people are paid by oil companies to spread lies and disinfo.

This is very, very dangerous...

only for those with zero evidence.

This is very dangerous ground the left is now treading on...the persecution, and even prosecution, of those who would dare to go against the "conventional wisdom".

Galileo (1564–1642)

lol you class the catholic church as being 'left', now you're either trolling or lack basic education.

a reply to: growler

Maybe they will start arresting 911 truthers next.
Then the anti vaccinate crowd.
Then ufo researchers.

Science has been wrong (or incorrect if you like) all throughout history and "updated" (corrected) as new information is discovered. What's the point of criminalizing people that don't believe everything science labels as "fact". Are they going to reverse the rulings in a few years when new evidence is discovered and say oops, sorry?

CO2 has no warming effect. Even if there is no CO2 in the air, there would be no change in temperature.

a reply to: growler

No, I am not suggesting that the Catholic Church was "left" during the Inquisition...I am saying that it is the left that is going down this same dangerous road, on Climate Change deniers, today.

I dare say that there is a lot more than "zero" evidence backing the anti-consensus view...but that is not really the point of this thread.

Firstly, I do believe humans are directly effecting the climate alongside a natural change, but I don't understand why anyone needs to be criminally charged for denying it? I mean honestly, why are opinions illegal now?

Sure, if someone goes out of there way to dump waste in a lake due to their denial, charge them. But the charge is for dumping waste in a lake! Not their damn opinions

a reply to: jjkenobi

Very true.
Up until the 90s stress caused ulcers. Then a scientist discovered that it was actually bacteria that caused ulcers.

Doctors were convicted the treatment they used was correct until, guess what? It wasn't.

Yeah, I'm not trusting scientists without a big grain of salt.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: growler

Maybe they will start arresting 911 truthers next.
Then the anti vaccinate crowd.
Then ufo researchers.

Don't forget flat-Earthers.

They're so screwed!

originally posted by: Jefferton

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: growler

Maybe they will start arresting 911 truthers next.
Then the anti vaccinate crowd.
Then ufo researchers.

Don't forget flat-Earthers.

They're so screwed!

Or anyone participating in a religion....lol
Better get started on those new jails.

Stefan molneux? He says that in his global warming video.a reply to: Bluntone22

Japan has gag orders on Fukushima talk is what I've heard. This is just another notch on the belt of the socialist new world corporate takeover. The two faced politricks have sold us all out for a house on the hill and underage prostitutes. If the world ever needed a God...and people are busy every minute trying to eradicate hope and faith. What a world.

Wasn't there a thread about leftists wanting to punish "deniers" a few days ago and we were being told by some members here this isn't actually happening?

a reply to: face23785

I don't see a law like this happening in the usa anytime soon but Europe and Canada I can see these types of Progressive laws being celebrated.

a reply to: mobiusmale

CO2 is not the main driver of climate change, and CO2 is not a pollutant.

How are these controversial statements?

Sure, CO2 may be humanity's main contribution as a catalyst to natural climate change (or is it CH4?...it's hard to keep up), but it's certainly not the main driver as far as the natural cycle is concerned.

Will I now be jailed? Investigated? Probably not.

Ridiculed and shamed on ATS? Probably so.

Meh.

There is nothing special about CO2. O2 has higher latent heat. The atmosphere would be warmer if every CO2 molecule is replaced with an O2 molecule.

Some Big poluters who disregard our environment should be investigated and stopped from destroying the environment. Just because they have permits and follow approved guidelines which are lax does not make this right. Corruption at the highest level of government applies, they look the other way if it is in the best interest of the people. I do not agree with the new CO2 based carbon crap, we do much more serious wrongs than that. If they are going to shove someone around for their beliefs, then maybe we should bring a class action law suit against the government for their negligence. They subsidize the air transportation system which is one of the biggest active chemistry polluters in the world. People do not need to be flying all over the world.

a reply to: rickymouse

But if they focus on CO2, they can use really big numbers that sound bad. It's all about perception. What you're saying would make sense if their agenda was the truth. It's not.

a reply to: mobiusmale

Excellent thread! Excellent research, excellent presentation and excellent premise

Consensus is not science... And no good comes from mob rule driven by ignorance and/or arrogance.

a reply to: mobiusmale

Slow down . Take a breath. This may not be what you think it is.

Canada has laws against spreading false news or making statements about public issues that the statement maker knows are false. www.criminal-code.ca...

In your article it says this.

It accused three groups, Friends of Science, the International Climate Science Coalition, and the Heartland Institute of making false and misleading claims about climate change

That means under canadian law they can be investigated. Only IF the claims being made were knowingly false can the companies be fined.

This isn't a case of liberal canada going after freedom of opinion. Under this law ANY company accused of knowingly spreading false news will be investigated.
Here is an example: Ernst Zundel was convicted in 1985 for spreading "false news" about the Holocaust under Section 181 of the Criminal Code Of Canada. The charge for willfully promoting false news was made because of the distribution of a 32 page pamphlet, Did Six Million Really Die? and The West, War and Islam.

Latter section 181 was judged as an unreasonable limit to freedom of speech as guaranteed by Section 1 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, thus overturning Zundel's conviction by the Lower Court.

So Someone or a business can be investigated in canada for spreading false information but it doesn't mean that they will be convicted