4 Shot at Washington State High School

a reply to: abeverage

If you back far enough you'll find reports of school attacks dating back to medieval Scotland. The phenomena isn't a new one, it's just seems to have spiked in recent years.

Changes in society create pressures that could trigger these things. Mental issues, of course, play a role. Family, or lack there of. Probably many others, as well.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

It's something to explore, anyway... I don't really think it's feasible, but if a way can be found to do something of this nature...it could save lives.

But, man, the downsides of this are extreme.

a reply to: seagull

I think that the upsides can outweigh the down immensely if it is done appropriately, the weapons are appropriately chosen (to limit wall pass-through and such), tactics are appropriate (I would never have the children in the line of sight of either the assailant or the teacher...only allowed to shoot if teacher is in a different section of the room, for instance), etc.

Yes, it will take a LOT of training, but if those carrying are kept anonymous and are trained well and motivated to protect their lives and those of the children, I think that it's a good thing.

ETA: I think that the district in the link that I posted is jumping the gun--I think that those teachers should train at least for the first half of the year before the guns are allowed in the classroom, possibly making exceptions for prior training and knowledge...possibly.

Just up the road a ways. Americas deadliest school massacre.
Bath Michigan

Someone being bullied?

Or antidepressants?


God forbid both, that's a terrible concoction.


Such a shame.

My heart sunk when the news captions said Spokane County, and being on the other side of the state now is even worse if it was family affected. Regards to those families and friends in loss and injury now.

Sadly, It's not the first school shooting the county has had.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Idaho is about 5 miles from Rockford/Freeman area where schools allow teachers to have guns if the school district agrees.

Idaho School District Buys Guns, Trains Teachers To Shoot

“Teachers have the option to be a part of the training and be a part of the trained staff, and we have a detective who has come in to help us with all of our training and has done a great job with getting the teachers and administrators on board understanding the seriousness of what the weapons can do. It’s a respect value. We’re taking teachers that know and respect weapons to help with securing the facilities. It’s not saying, ‘hey I’m going to take a teacher that doesn’t want to be a part of it or doesn’t feel like they could make those decisions in those moments,’ but the local county sheriff’s department participates in the training so there’s a collaboration between us so we can at least get things situated and under control before they get there.”

Rural Washington is similar to this:

“Our first responders are sometimes up to 45 minutes away… We have 95 percent of our families with weapons, because it’s a hunting community. So those students grow up – I just sat through a class with fifth graders doing hunter safety – it’s all part of the community and the culture that weapons are present. So knowing that students would be contacting parents, they would end up being the first responders... then they’re going to be down there in a moment and we’ve got to be sure they know we’ve taken care of their kids. Safety is our utmost concern.”

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a reply to: mikell

Damn...I think that I had read about this before, but forgotten about it. "Thanks for the reminder" doesn't seem appropriate, but I appreciate it being pointed out. I can't imagine the impact on such a small community...

Updates: The three surviving students brought to Sacred Heart and are in satisfactory condition. Glad they didn't have to be flown to Harborview in Seattle.

Get ready for all the instances of teacher and pupil argue, pupil reaches for pencil case out of bag and teacher shoots pupil dead because he may have been going for a gun.

Bit like you hear about every day with cops.


It will happen.

Student discussing the sophomore shooter:

“He was weird,” Harper said. “And he loved the show Breaking Bad. He never really seemed like that person who had issues. He was always nice and funny and weird.”

Harper said the shooter had written his friends notes indicating he planned to do “something stupid.”

“He made a note,” Harper said. “I didn’t get mine, but my friends got theirs. I read one of my friends’ and it said he was going to do something stupid. He took it to a counselor.”

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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: FHomerK

Out of curiosity, do you know the age of the assailant or the fact that the weapons were had illegally (obviously illegal to have on school grounds, but I think that you understand my question)?

I can't find any of that information.

If it was a handgun, I cannot begin to imagine it would be a legal possession of a firearm at all for a teenaged HS student. But, admittedly, I do not know the answer to your question....

a reply to: network dude

I dont think religion has anything to do with it. Ky whole family has never been religious. Well three generations. Grandfather was a fireman, been in one school yard fight protecting his brother. Dad non religious worked in a grocery store his whole life never been in a fight. I have never been religious, only "fight" i was in a kid punched me in the face for no reason.

Grand father played football, dad played football i played rugby we were rough on the field, got injured from time to time (nothingnserious).

Still never hurt a fly, donate to charity, kind to others and animals alike with no religion...

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Why not just put cops on campus....

a reply to: Aeshma

Because it costs exponentially more to hire full-time police officers to remain on campus all day.

I guarantee you that civilians can be as well trained as officers (and often times, better trained) at handling situations like this effectively. There is no logical need to spend the money on police officers when civilian educators can step up and do the same thing.

Plus, there has the potential to exist way more than one trained person at the school at any given time in teachers are armed versus one cop.

We used to have a full-time police officer on our campus when I was in high school--he was pretty much useless, and his entire job consisted of harassing people when he thought that they were high. I'd hate to know the sum of money taxpayers paid to keep that guy there.