Are there repercussions for trying to remove history?

Cumberland schools cancel event with Lafayette mascot over slavery
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FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — Cumberland County’s interim schools superintendent this week canceled a ribbon-cutting ceremony for a school environmental initiative because the program’s mascot, Revolutionary War hero the Marquis de Lafayette, owned slaves. 35 “I think in lieu of what’s going on around the nation and the sensitivity to issues concerning the history of slavery in the country, there was concern there that it may be offensive to some members of our community,” Superintendent Tim Kinlaw said, citing recent protests and violence surrounding Confederate Civil War monuments. Biographers say Lafayette, a Frenchman who was a major general in the Continental Army, was an abolitionist who purchased slaves with the intent of freeing them. In 1783, Fayetteville was the first of several towns in America to be named for him, and he visited with fanfare in 1825. Lafayette died in 1834, 27 years before the Civil War.

With all the political correctness of removing anything that had anything to do with slavery, we have this. A school function that used a historical figure as a mascot. Because this person was associated with slavery, he can't be used for this anymore. But what exactly were his ties to slavery? He was an abolitionist who bought slaves so he could free them. Sounds like a horrible guy. His history needs to be buried and never see the light of day./sarc.

Why ins't this celebrated instead of hidden due to "feelings"? It's only a matter of time before the idiots realize that towns bear the names of civil war generals. They will be next on the chopping block.

a reply to: network dude

It would seem that some of the people involved don't know the history anyway, so it may have little effect when we remove it.

a reply to: network dude

It's only a matter of time before the idiots realize that towns bear the names of civil war generals.

You're probably on the money, there. The same thing has happened elsewhere, e.g. Leningrad/St Petersburg or Stalingrad/Volvograd.

a reply to: network dude

Local school districts do weird things. Still, such things are their choice.

The People elect the Board, the Board makes decisions.

If the People don't like those decisions, they elect someone else to represent them.

We call it a democratic republic.

a reply to: network dude

We own slaves today but we don't call them that, we call them migrant workers or immigrant labor.

Slaves built the white house lol Knock it down

a reply to: intrptr

they are rented, not owned.

a reply to: network dude

The reason for erasing history isn't 'because slaves' , anymore

than the reason for invading resource rich middle eastern countries is 'because terrorism'.

They've been changing and editing history ever since somebody figured out how to write on paper.

Just look at what happened during the so called "Dark Ages".

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: intrptr

they are rented, not owned.

Tell them that.

They may be on temporary visas, or even undocumented so corporations can save on costs. Better mind or get deported.

a reply to: network dude

Until you see book burnings, deletion of swathes of the Internet and the wholesale arrest and silencing of historians, I'd honestly say this is hyperbole.

I mean it's understandable why they'd cover their rears, I'm still undecided if this is a wave of censorship or if people are addressing things that we've neglected for too long.

Tbh though, most people don't know much history, especially historically. "I hate history" is a phrase I've heard uttered a few times in my life.


Some aspects of this wave you guys are having is sickening but then again so is a good portion of your/our collective history is too.

Maybe, just maybe. This will get more people into history in order to learn the truths of our past.

The people trying to remove history think Trump is a Nazi and white people alive today are racist slave owners. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone cares what they think or pays them any attention.

a reply to: RAY1990

It was hyperbole when this was all called at the first flappings of the dixie flag removal. I heard it then, it was wrong, and I'm hearing it now, it's still wrong. Will it still be hyperbole when the crybabies are protesting to change the names of military bases and cities/counties bearing the names of civil war participants?

or am I going to be told "nobody want's to change the names of any of that....."

stupidity knows no boundaries.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
The people trying to remove history think Trump is a Nazi and white people alive today are racist slave owners. For the life of me I can't understand why anyone cares what they think or pays them any attention.

A cynic might argue that there are a lot of disaffected and relatively impoverished African-Americans who can easily be incited to riot by provocateurs, and that removing the visible symbols of such grievances lessens the overall chances of civil disorder.

Personally, I think it's politicians pandering to social justice-oriented millennial voters, who will be the adult voters of the future regardless of their skin colour.

a reply to: network dude

I don't agree with the decision to cancel the event, but canceling an event isn't "removing history". You can still learn about this guy from other sources.

a reply to: RAY1990

Tbh though, most people don't know much history, especially historically. "I hate history" is a phrase I've heard uttered a few times in my life.

Same here. I was bored to death of school taught history. The official sanitized version was droll back in the 70s when I graduated Hi school. What are they learning today?

I can tell when conversing with younger generations, even their view of the world I lived thru is skewed by their own lack of education, or de education , whatever we call it. Then I looked up what they are being taught for instance about the American revolution. Egads...

The American independence movement was sparked by growing political and economic tensions between the American colonists and Great Britain. Following independence, the new nation faced many challenges while trying to build a stable system of democratic governance for the newly established federal republic.

link

Feds, democracy and governance are not key stones of a Republic.

a reply to: network dude

George Santayana

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

I don't agree with the decision to cancel the event, but canceling an event isn't "removing history". You can still learn about this guy from other sources.

How often have you looked up this guy from his historical events? If his name wasn't mentioned again, would anyone "look him up"?

originally posted by: illuminnaughty
Slaves built the white house lol Knock it down

Careful what you wish for. It's the ultimate goal of what they want -- to erase everything this country is founded upon so that they can replace it with something else.

That something else will be some unholy child of socialism/communism/fascism, but whatever it ends up being, you can count on it being totalitarian through and through. It would have to be because the idiots pushing this think they will have forced equal outcomes for all from the top down. You can only do that if you ruthlessly control every aspect and facet of everyone's life from the top down. Command economy and the whole nine yards.

a reply to: network dude

Your OP fits very nicely with this thread from yesterday --

Is the problem that we are forgetting half the heros???

-- which points out that White men and women have been in the fight against racial oppression and racial inequalities and racial abuse throughout our history, and nothing would have -- or could have -- been achieved without them.

On the other side of the coin, no one is demanding the removal of statues of Lincoln or General Sherman, who were both hateful racists, and did absolutely nothing out of a desire to help Black people, or to further freedom and liberty for all...

It's all symbolism over substance.