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originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66
yeah forget about all those who put the bill on johnsons desk as well....one indeed
List them out, bud.
That's the point of the thread.
originally posted by: CynConcepts
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66
yeah forget about all those who put the bill on johnsons desk as well....one indeed
List them out, bud.
That's the point of the thread.
Interesting point, indeed. I found it interesting to look back in history at the actual bill voting through the Senate and House of representatives. Yes, there were many more heroes involved to get that onto Johnson's desk.
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Boadicea
I think they were ignored by their own wishes...
I think it was considered to be more important to have figure heads that empowered the oppressed people.
I think even in cases where the most important figure was white.
That person decided to put the spotlight on what they considered the best face for the movement.
And I think the short term gains were more than measurable and I think it is far more likely that the narrative was just never changed.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Asktheanimals
(Really, there's no need to trash the names of victims like Martin and Brown to make your point.)
1) Yea because the first white to speak out about such things were looked at well by their peers....(sarcasm..)
The whites/males who championed civil rights or sufferage were horribly persecuted.. any political benefit would have come AFTER civil rights was enacted. There would have ONLY been negatives for them in speaking out in the early stages.
2) how is choosing an oppressed person hiding them in the dark like mushrooms...
the white leaders who chose not to be the figure head would be the one hiding themselves...
that literally makes zero sense.. using them as mushrooms would be using white figureheads when the most imortant person was black (for example..)
3) you say one like only one person was benevolent and EVERYONE else was power moungers.. which is ridiculous..
No, I didn't... but it's instructive that is how you read it.
And it did have beneficial effects.. women and minorities can vote, segregation ended, exc, exc , exc...
I never said it didn't have some beneficial effects... of course they threw the little people some scraps. I just pointed out the greater political benefit for the PTB -- and the adverse effects for the rest of us -- as well, which you don't seem to want to acknowledge. Hmmmm....
5) progress is progress .. there is no such thing as perfect progress..
Yeah, well, two steps forward and one step back might be considered progress, but it does untold damage in the process. Kinda like "Well, I only beat you and raped you, I didn't kill you."
That was the most partisan shill post I've read today...
No original thought of cognitive thinking.. just parroting right wing demagogues..
Hahaha! Okay