F... E.U.

originally posted by: fencesitter85
UK here. The majority of us don't want to leave. It was swung by the baby boomers craving some ridiculous idealised view of the 1970s, then a load of people moaning about Muslims.

We're absolutely nowhere near any kind of agreement yet. All we've seen is the pound slump constantly, to a point where it's almost in line with the euro.

"Oh but we'll just export more!"

Export what? We don't make anything any more. Ridiculous.

The very first part of your post is an outright lie.
The majority of UK citizens, when asked, voted to leave.
Get with the program kiddo. You are either pro democracy or some fascist clown that wants rule by decree.

a reply to: fencesitter85

That's right : if there were some kind of proper of planning in the first place, and it happened to suit that overall economic plan to leave Europe , then it might make sense to Brexit .
But,
We don't have a plan apparently , we just leaving . We leaving because Cameron , made a stupid promise , to suit his election . And then stupid democracy says , reorganise everything currently arranged please . And thats not an easy thing to do for capital system , where time taken to agree a sensible framework

Necks might be on chopping blocks , and we're pulling a trigger which seems to be just like suicide in an economic way . We're shooting our own foot off because democracy said to . Or a re we ?

Because , there must be something else to it sic those leaving : it was a referendum , a pecquliar form of democracy , which we were allowed to have . But , we actually were not allowed to have ourselves a referendum on the European constitution , remember? And whether there was a referendum or not was not a british government decision , but it was a European mandate , not to have a referendum on it . The constitution was passed without asking effectively . Someone has a plan it is guaranteed . The ballots read :@ Leave Europe . This time was when we_ did have a referndum , there is a plan there must be . I can see how serious people could be annoyed at having to turn to conspiracy theorists for their answers , just once in awhile . Idiots shooting thier gobs off about what might be what while the clock is ticking on to the unknown , such as I on a field day as broad as the continent
don't listen to it , especially if it really really is the case that Cameron did what he did by taking a punt on there being a remain result in a referndum which manourved him primarily into a position of favour with a lunatic fringe element of his party , the euro-sceptics . If you're going to make someone provide an explanation of a plan , ask them in particular , the euro-sceptics

We could do like China does on a miniature scale and have huge state owned enterprises for the procurement of the raw materials , for a new techno-industrial revolution going on within a home- stabilised economic environment . A microsheltered economy via local planning

a reply to: Painterzbut did the people pledge this money or politicians who are no longer in office.thank god hilliary
did not get elected she probably would have threatened uk with sanctions for leaving eu to try to get them to stay. i think hilly and merkel should both retire and do a sit com called hilly and merky how to ruin i meant run the world..

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

This latest display of your disregard and contempt for the will of the people you claim to represent, also confirmed that the vote by the population of the UK to depart from your tyranny was the right one. I hope Hungary and many others now follow the UK lead.

You're parroting much of the noise in the British mainstream media about the EU, complete with trigger words, cliches and soundbite fodder.

Some more facts, to add to the facts added earlier:

We voted to leave the EU. TPB didn't allow us a say in anything further so the "Will of the People" is a distraction.

Some 17,500,000 voted to leave the EU. There are some 60,000,000 in the UK. I make that just over a quarter. The "Will of the People" is arithmetical nonsense.

Parliament, not the Government, not the people, is sovereign in the UK. We live in a representative democracy. Ask any GCSE government and politics student. The "Will of the People" is constitutionally irrelevant.

Despite what the UK tabloids tell us, people in the EU have seen the omnishambles we're making of leaving and they are becoming MORE pro-EU.

But hey, stay angry. It makes things easier for TPB.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

The majority of UK citizens, when asked, voted to leave. You are either pro democracy or some fascist clown that wants rule by decree.

Errr....17, 500, 000 voted to leave. There are 57,000,000 UK citizens and 3,000,000 foreigners in the UK.

Do the maths.

As for fascists clowns ruling by decree...have you seen whats in the repeal bill being debated by Parliament?

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese
I studied politics at a level well above that of a GCSE student and do not need, and will not take any lectures on the definitions and practices of constitution and sovereignty Mr/Mrs self-appointed expert.

a reply to: proteus33

No, she needed the SAS to assassinate the Syrian leader...our press would CATCH our army.

a reply to: paraphi

Once that power is attained what would such do?

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

A majority of eligible UK voters chose to leave the EU in the referendum.
Do you disagree with that?
...and I also understand the potential outcomes of the 'repeal bill' very well. I'm willing to take the punt, you are not, doesn't make either of us 'right' to fear or take the risk. Just opinion.

ETA, anyone who didn't use their vote and is whining now, I guess it's tough luck, they had the chance and made their choice to abstain.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: CulturalResilience

Politicians don't have to deal with the 'fallout' of their actions. The EU headquarters is in Belgium, the building architecture is that of an unfinished construction.

Hiding in plain sight...

Looks like the tower of Babel to me.
Acts like the UN on steroids.
It was a dangerous thing to attempt and has gotten way beyond the control of the countries it is supposed to serve.
Instead it has become a Socialist superstructure imposing it's agenda on the member states.
So much for the "fall of communism".
Russia just bought in to capitalism and gave Europe the ideology that failed.
Plutocrats are so greedy they will repeat history over and over for money and power.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Acts like the UN on steroids.
It was a dangerous thing to attempt and has gotten way beyond the control of the countries it is supposed to serve.

You sum up essentially why I voted for the UK to leave the EU.

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

originally posted by: SprocketUK

The majority of UK citizens, when asked, voted to leave. You are either pro democracy or some fascist clown that wants rule by decree.

Errr....17, 500, 000 voted to leave. There are 57,000,000 UK citizens and 3,000,000 foreigners in the UK.

Do the maths.

As for fascists clowns ruling by decree...have you seen whats in the repeal bill being debated by Parliament?

Good little sheep.
twist and turn as much as you like to try and support the master's message.

It doesn't matter how many people live here in any vote only those who got off their rears and voted count. Not babies, school kids, prisoners or the disengaged.

No wonder freedom is such a transient thing when idiots are queuing up to have other people's votes dismissed.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
It doesn't matter how many people live here in any vote only those who got off their rears and voted count. Not babies, school kids, prisoners or the disengaged.

Agreed, anyone who didn't vote tough luck. The majority of all the eligible voters in the UK who got off their arses chose to leave the EU. Suck it up remainers.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

The Paris Accords were SUPPOSED to be fixed through Hillary,the carbon tax was a killer for the US,I was VERY surprised at how transparently they are trying to raise a conscripted army.
I expect trouble from them as well.
I of course have no call here accept for a daughter there.
I DO think Merkel's trick has created a mess with immigration there, and worry.
HOW many Muslims IN Nottingham anyway?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
I DO think Merkel's trick has created a mess with immigration there, and worry.
HOW many Muslims IN Nottingham anyway?

Wiki reckons 26,919 in the 2011 census, 8.81% of the population of Nottingham.
More than doubled in 10 years.
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: TJames

MAN,I wish the moderates had taken POWER,in that faith.
I think they may leave for Canada.
Stepdad(Me) is a "rightwing gun nut" she said she occasionally misses.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

I wouldn't ever want to live in Nottingham, outside of the main tourist strip it can be a craphole.
I have more than a few friends from Nottingham who have moved to my town many miles away, and I completely understand why they moved.

I would love to know any Europhiles opinions on Junkers State of the Union speech today!

Here's just two things you Europeans have got coming to you... without any vote or say what so ever!

A European army by 2025 and individual countries won't have the ability to stop the EU from declaring war with another country because you will be losing your veto on defence matters. Personally I find this rather scary!

The EU will also be heading for the United States of Europe and further expansion.

Source

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I would love to know any Europhiles opinions on Junkers State of the Union speech today!

Here's just two things you Europeans have got coming to you... without any vote or say what so ever!

A European army by 2025 and individual countries won't have the ability to stop the EU from declaring war with another country because you will be losing your veto on defence matters. Personally I find this rather scary!

Hmmn.... I wonder....Is that the reason for Merkel's open invitation to immigrants?

Everyone's been commenting on the number of able bodied men among

the influx of immigrants and she's been insisting all countries take their share

without reservation .... ready made manpower for an EU army