The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left

a reply to: Gryphon66

Like you're doing here. You make a claim about eugenics and leftists, now you want to talk about progressives and socialists, apparently unaware of the barest history of eugenics. Your argument is at the level of a bubble-gum wrapper.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Progressives and socialists are/were leftists. It's like saying we cannot call the jews of ancient Egypt "slaves" because the word wasn't invented yet. Your arguments are as childish as your insults.

It's like arguing with a parrot ...

Progressives and socialists are leftists. Sure, I haven't said anything different. That's a simplistic, vague, and fairly meaningless statement, but we'll go with it. That has nothing to do with your claim, however.

It is your claim that eugenics was a phenomenon of leftists. It was not an idea restricted to "leftists." From the early 20th century to after World War II, eugenics was accepted science that governments all over the world used to shape their policies.

I've given you an easily digestible example that counters your insipid statement: Churchill, you know, the Conservative Prime Minister that led Britain to victory against the Nazis?

As evidence, I could quote anything from Wikipedia to academic papers to you ... but it wouldn't make any difference.

Strawman arguments and ad hominem are all you have. SO, enjoy the bland repetitions.

While eugenic principles have been practiced as far back in world history as ancient Greece, the modern history of eugenics began in the early 20th century when a popular eugenics movement emerged in the United Kingdom and spread to many countries including the United States, Canada and most European countries. In this period, eugenic ideas were espoused across the political spectrum.

Consequently, many countries adopted eugenic policies with the intent to improve the quality of their populations' genetic stock.

So, not just leftists, socialists, progressives, liberals, Democrats, communists, etc. (Thought I'd cover all the goalpost notches.)

Further:

Eugenics became an academic discipline at many colleges and universities and received funding from many sources. Organizations were formed to win public support and sway opinion towards responsible eugenic values in parenthood, including the British Eugenics Education Society of 1907 and the American Eugenics Society of 1921. Both sought support from leading clergymen and modified their message to meet religious ideals. In 1909 the Anglican clergymen William Inge and James Peile both wrote for the British Eugenics Education Society. Inge was an invited speaker at the 1921 International Eugenics Conference, which was also endorsed by the Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York Patrick Joseph Hayes.

Yeah, we all know how left-wing those crazy liberal Irish Catholics are, amirite? Not to mention the stiff-upper-lip British Anglicans.

NOT.

MARXIST EYEROLL


To sum up ...

As a social movement, eugenics reached its greatest popularity in the early decades of the 20th century, when it was practiced around the world and promoted by governments, institutions, and influential individuals.

Notice, nowhere in there is the word "leftist" or any variation, connotation, approximation or conflation used.

You're welcome.

Wikipedia

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Respectfully, a genocide of people, is worth far more than a "school of thought."

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Collective Liberty or Individual Liberty?

You keep implying that I'm stupid... why don't you just come out and say it? Or are you actually trying to convince yourself?

Liberty. Is there a reason why you should split the two?

You called me a stupid and a buffoon if you can remember, but now I have to watch as your goal posts get as wide as the horizon.

Collective Liberty is a Liberal ideology and Individual Liberty is a Conservative ideology....

I do remember..... and I was right on the money... see above.

Over time the lines become blurred. Good guy, bad guy, Democrat, or Republican. As the issues change, people migrate to the appropriate banner that suites them at the moment, without the benefit of forward look "history books". Few would have joined the KKK with the knowledge of what that organization would become.

I don't think the KKK members were cowards for wearing hood. They simply wanted anonymity.
The internet is the new sheet of anonymity, it works for liberals and conservatives just as well a bed sheet did for the KKK. After all, how many of you post under your real name?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Im still stuck with crappy phone interface so cant very well rock the boat.

But eugenics was the creature of darwinism, which it scientism was roots of the progressive movement in the same context as today eugenics iteration: transhumanism is looming. Note that the dems in those days were the pro slavery scientist racists. It all went hand in hand. They were also pro labor, as far as the little people were concerned. Its important to note that no matter the age the vision of the fountainheads (rulers / robberbarrons) are often much different than the needs and desires of the masses, and as such we all stand divided no natter the age.

That said the article / thread title should be the american left roots of the nazi movement.

Also interesting is that communism was a pure technocrat notion of total socialism. So much to be noted with that statement both in influence on nazis of times past, and on todays progressives considering they march to the drummer of todays equivalent being transhumanist robber barrons (ford foundation, silicon valley, soros, etc).

Darwinism has no bearing on progressivism, right, right????

a reply to: Gryphon66

Citing bolding the specific wording of wikipedia, not merely in terms of historical broadstrokes, but going as far as pointing out specific lack of words is interesting. Especially on a politicized topic in the age of liberal censor domination of the internet (which would have a young Adolf Hitler most impressed we could all agree).

You might note that the biggest fountainheads of eugenics then, the robberbarron likes of carnegie and rockefeller, were hell yet live on as the biggest fountainheads of globalism which theres no doubt about that being one of the biggest motivators of modern progressives. Even to the tune of rabid support of modern robberbarron "free trade" deals which run entirely contrary to supposed workers idealism in favor of multinational corporation dominance over mankind. Which btw i scratch my head daily over that turn of events. If youre puzzled why you should go watch some documentaries about the WTO protests of the 90s. Those were lead by AFLCIO yet today they helped lead Hillarys paid riot squads last year. Have fun with all that.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Gryphon66

They know.

I was born and raised in the South. Most people who have roots here can tell you exactly who in their family tree was a sharecropper and who was a slave owner. They can tell you the number of slaves & the plantations they were on. They can tell you which family members fought in the confederacy, which ones fought in the Union, and which properties were destroyed during the Civil War. And the ones who are comfortable w/me have even told me which family members were in the KKK and similar groups. And they know that those family members were Democrats at the time, with some even knowing which political offices those family members held.

Make no mistake, the ones who know their family trees here know all of the details and are proud of them. I think that's why the whole premise of this thread pisses me off so much. They've been waving that flag for 150+ years, but they come on here & pretend not to know simple crap like what party its creators were from? Some of the people here are old enough to have been voters when the parties were changing positions, yet they still feign ignorance.

I once worked w/a guy whose family tree owned slaves in the same county as some of my enslaved ancestors. It was awkward for a few seconds when we found out, then we laughed and continued our conversation lol. I knew he wasn't like that and he knew I wasn't out for revenge or anything like that, so it simply didn't matter. But it's hard to have a "lol well then, it's good that times have changed, huh?" conversation when they feign ignorance like in this thread.

How many people, what percent ever even owned slaves?

Ive been down here over half my life, im white, never heard one single person talk about slave owner ancestors. But you racially obsessed black muslim guy all the whites they all had black slaves and they all hang out with you and give you the skinny on the phat.

Uh huh.

Maybe if you hangout with a bunch of ptsd white guilt tripping sjw kids they might claim that to stoke their own victimhood conplex you might get such reports, but that doesnt make it true.

Meanwhile the fact that primitive racists exist out there in the world doesnt justify your own primitive racist yearnings.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Gryphon66
sick of nazi style persecution tearing our sociery apart.

Nazi style persecution? Are you going to be honest and admit that was hyperbole or are you going to start listing times were liberals have gassed or forced the people they don't like into work camps just because they didn't like them?

Open pesecution of jews is how it started in nazi germany. Or more specifically an ideology with a core tenet being the open persecution of jews. Right now thats the stage of liberals openly persecuting whites. If you think modern american liberals are above it going a few stages further into the genocide scale then you know nothing about human nature / psychology / history and are therefore incompetent here.

Its starts with conspiracy theories about their fellow commoners oppressing them, escalates into open persecution, and with the right long dark history combined with the modern mainstream being unwilling to self criticize their groups escalating PERSECUTIONS of the suspect group so begins the atrocity scale approachment into the genocide scale.

So go ahead and keep deny its happening, pat each other on the back for your sticking up for the logic of your teams atrocity streak, and all the blood that flows as long as you continue your patterns its all on your hands too.

You guys can convince yourself that your group and its movements are somehow above the emerging patterns all other human groups are subject to, but that doesnt make it true. Like human susceptability to hardcore drug addiction and kids think they can smoke crack everyday but not become a crackhead, with groups and movements there are iron laws of patterns that emerge. And right now all the right elements to what im warning all those ducks are in a row with team liberal mainstream. Ive posted volumes about it... instead of scoff and avoid if you had actually gone and checked all my citations and actually heard me out youd see my efforts werent just about tribalist smearing attempts. My efforts are always about warnings of the pitfalls of tribalism. I openly state that my works are open warnings to what all tribalist groups and movements are subject to. Your team currently being the most jardcore tribalist a mainstream movement in living memory is what drew me into such an interest with your team. But keep telling yourself im just some conservawhatever to be ignored and thus keep yourself deluded and ignorant, go for it.

Im a humanist not a tribalist. And our species faces extinction in our lifetime if we cant overcome tribalism and militarism.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Open pesecution of jews is how it started in nazi germany. Or more specifically an ideology with a core tenet being the open persecution of jews. Right now thats the stage of liberals openly persecuting whites.

Really? You need some Germans and more Zyklon B to get the job done or why don't we see some results?

All I see is lotta oestrogen in tap water making nearly everyone act like a pussy, but that's probably just the bitch in me. And she's rolling strong, too, there's the tap water issue again...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

If youve been missing the alnost daily threads of new stories of open persecution of whites the past year, since i tuned back in, well you need tobtake your blinders off. Start by reading the rest of my post mkaythx.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Oh, daily news from the ATSlienverse only? That explains a lot, thanks. There I was... thinking it couldn't get better, and then it did! Boy oh boy, you guys are cracking me up.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: PublicOpinion

If youve been missing the alnost daily threads of new stories of open persecution of whites the past year, since i tuned back in, well you need tobtake your blinders off. Start by reading the rest of my post mkaythx.

would be real nifty if you could give us an example of this white persecution. and don't come back with your 'read my threads all the research is there' bit, if it's such a big thing and it's happening daily then surely you can give us just one material example right now. Cus i'm so pale i'm practically translucent and all i've seen is the same old fearmongering bs as ever

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Most of the liberals I know are white. Please explain to me how they are persecuting themselves. Most of them have good, well paying jobs and no arbitrary arrests or traffic stops on their records.

Bejeezus. You "doubters", either youre not familiar with the topic or youre deliberately being "pests" (since were not allowed to use the T word).

I only have phone atm so cant demolish it as i usually would, but tye recent case of Evergreen University comes to mind:
m.huffpost.com...

The examples are utterly endless. Everything from overt white exclusion in and off college campuses, to violent mobs beating down lone whites just for being white, to outright open season on whitey riots the stuff of nazi germany brownshirts attacking jews. I dont make this crap up, that its happening as a new norm the whole reason ive been studying it posting about it the past year, opposed to my well known routine technological singularity in light of the robberbarrons rule of the world type work. My mind was blown last year that a few short years of social media and our entire society has devoled into fascist trolls. When the AI gods cone take a look at us of course theyd observe the need to wipe us out type stuff, ust look at us. Then again, the silicon valley branch of the modern robberbarron elite class in conjunction with their corporate msm etc media propaganda machination are the deeper root cause of how things went so dark so fast this decade. With the supposedly peace loving freedom loving liberal mainstream as tgeir primary mechanism to herald a new age of fasciaistic totalitarianism, our species is utterly doomed on this trajectory in our lifetimes whether AI gods of their makers be the ones whom are ultimately in control of our permanent enslavement. That said robberbarron elites would do all this isnt a total shocker as the free and open internet without such schemes was already spelling their demise, and with all the tech they expext to live forever (google life extension technologies / immortalism), but damn was i blown away none the less when i stepped out of my 5 years time capsule a year ago and found all that i did.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

history is written by the victors

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Most of the liberals I know are white. Please explain to me how they are persecuting themselves. Most of them have good, well paying jobs and no arbitrary arrests or traffic stops on their records.

Thats the craziest part. Truly the stuff of the Twilight Zone. Its kind of like this antifa logic that as long as they claim theyre "anti" facist then no matter how FASCIST they behave and how much Corporate Fascism they embrace in their minds they CANT be Facsist in any way shape or form.

At the same time though in the case of the white on white racism it draws from this idea that originated in Critical Race Theory where minorities CANT be Racist.

The motives i suspect (with the little people anyways, not the fountanheads of this social engineering) mostly tend to revolve atound this white guilt stuff.

All that coupled around these all too often spoiled rich kids whom brag about being "PTSD" as if theyve ever known true suffering / trauma / going without / etc.

Thats where the effects of the combined top down mainstream + social media social engineering machination effects come in. Que up the Emotional Contagian Effect dynamics, with the Identity Politics at it core and not by accident (look up how the model played out in Nazi Germany yes they had is wrapped around different identity complex but the model itself is precisely what were now observing being perpetrated against the liberals first and now the conservatives as well). I call it mind control, the ultimate mind control, as thats what it is this "Hyper-Tribalism" as I call it. Group indetity is the ultinate stranglehold hold over the individual self especially when the mass group identities are deliberately merged as one super identity complex then the irrational groupthink becone the stuff of god over the individual. And have written extensively about all this everything ive said in this thread. But gawd forbid I link in these works nope i have to waste my time reinventing the wheel everytime it comes up lest i be called out for "spamming" the place (with my works within this place which i dont profit from instead ive had to sacrifice to see them thru).

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

no one was required to leave. But the pressure for white individuals to leave campus, to demonstrate that they were good allies to people of color, was very real. And many, students, faculty and staff alike, were confused by the structure of the day. How could they not be confused?

That's your Nazi prosecution of jews, student activism on a fricken campus? Oh geez, genocide of confusion... Holocaust of structured days!

It's not a good talking point when it doesn't wear a brownshirt, is it?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Actually they aint wrong, we are looking for the liberal scapegoats being white conservatives due to the contagion liberal disease of cranium anal orifice retitus impaction.

The fact that whites are evil for just being white? Same sh*t happened to Blacks remember? Blacks dont have that anymore so now its the reverse like some kind of punchline to a sick joke. Unfortunately most liberals are not in tune with their feelings to the point they persecute those around them that think differently. This makes the left dangerous, more so than any conservative movement.

Democrats were crafted and guided by the Russians in the 60's/70's to further a evolution of socialist ideology. Guess what? It worked..especially in areas where minorities are prevalent as they were targeted by the KGB being seen as weaker intellect with easier assimilation to the communist concept.

So yes and no, yes democrats ideology has changed and morphed from the days of old and bigotry was the in thing, only they evolved into something much worse, and their ideas of tolerance is exactly the opposite if you don't agree with them.

And no in the respect that most dems are still closet bigots, only the target of their disdain has changed from Black folk to whites and others who don't share their exploitation of a diverse demographic while pandering for votes using lies to trick their constituents.

Democrats deal in absolutes, and that in itself is the very nature of fascism.