The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left

a reply to: Gryphon66

Says the person who apparently doesn't know that the word "leftist" didn't come into use until the 1930s.

I never stated otherwise.

a reply to: Blarneystoner

Nope... you're confused. Progressives may have advocated for Eugenics in the early 20th... but that ideology doesn't equate to modern progressive or liberals. Good lord man... bone up or STFU.

Oh, and socialists too. Stick your head in some more sand; it looks better.

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Gryphon66

Says the person who apparently doesn't know that the word "leftist" didn't come into use until the 1930s.

I never stated otherwise. It looks like we have more than one failure here.

Well, it's certain there are many failures here, like for example, not understanding the history of either eugenics or the term leftist.

Let's see if you can work that out on your own, eh?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Well, it's certain there are many failures here, like for example, not understanding the history of either eugenics or the term leftist.

Let's see if you can work that out on your own, eh?

I'm not sure what your point about the word leftists has to do with anything, and even less, I don't know why you keep bringing it up. As for eugenics, the facts are quite clear.

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Gryphon66

Says the person who apparently doesn't know that the word "leftist" didn't come into use until the 1930s.

I never stated otherwise. It looks like we have more than one failure here.

hahahaha... I can just see you sitting there with your finger and your thumb in the shape of an "L" on your forehead.

Look.... the point is that early 20th century ideologies don't equate to modern ideologies or party affiliation. I've seen this idiotic argument so many times now, coming from modern right wingers. It's as if they want to convince us that modern Conservative Republicans is the party of liberty, civil rights and equality when we all know that's the furthest thing from the truth.

Here's your headline: British Politician: Tories Guilty Of ‘Eugenics’ Against Disabled People published July 10th, 2017 not 1917

And honestly..... "failure" isn't an insult. I've failed more times than I can remember. If you haven't failed at something than you haven't tried to do anything.

Later....

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Gryphon66

Well, it's certain there are many failures here, like for example, not understanding the history of either eugenics or the term leftist.

Let's see if you can work that out on your own, eh?

I'm not sure what your point about the word leftists has to do with anything, and even less, I don't know why you keep bringing it up. As for eugenics, the facts are quite clear.

Well, so much for that hope.

You made the claim above that eugenics had something to do with leftists. That is blatantly wrong.

Eugenics was considered a legitimate science from the early 20th century until after WWII.

It has nothing to do with "leftists."

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Nope... you're confused. Progressives may have advocated for Eugenics in the early 20th... but that ideology doesn't equate to modern progressive or liberals. Good lord man... bone up or STFU.

Oh, and socialists too. Stick your head in some more sand; it looks better.

lol... I pull down more than your pre-pubescent mind can fathom...

a reply to: Gryphon66

Well, so much for that hope.

You made the claim above that eugenics had something to do with leftists. That is blatantly wrong.

Eugenics was considered a legitimate science from the early 20th century until after WWII.

It has nothing to do with "leftists."

Are you saying early socialists, progressive and the like, were not left-wing? I've heard some stretches before in my life, but this takes the cake.

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Gryphon66

Well, so much for that hope.

You made the claim above that eugenics had something to do with leftists. That is blatantly wrong.

Eugenics was considered a legitimate science from the early 20th century until after WWII.

It has nothing to do with "leftists."

Are you saying early socialists, progressive and the like, were not left-wing? I've heard some stretches before in my life, but this takes the cake.

Peddle your strawman elsewhere.

I stated that eugenics WAS NOT a phenomenon of leftists and WAS accepted science in the early 20th century.

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Gryphon66

Says the person who apparently doesn't know that the word "leftist" didn't come into use until the 1930s.

I never stated otherwise. It looks like we have more than one failure here.

hahahaha... I can just see you sitting there with your finger and your thumb in the shape of an "L" on your forehead.

Look.... the point is that early 20th century ideologies don't equate to modern ideologies or party affiliation. I've seen this idiotic argument so many times now, coming from modern right wingers. It's as if they want to convince us that modern Conservative Republicans is the party of liberty, civil rights and equality when we all know that's the furthest thing from the truth.

Here's your headline: British Politician: Tories Guilty Of ‘Eugenics’ Against Disabled People published July 10th, 2017 not 1917

And honestly..... "failure" isn't an insult. I've failed more times than I can remember. If you haven't failed at something than you haven't tried to do anything.

Later....

Well that's convenient, isn't it? But you're wrong. The fundamental notion of progressivism is "progress", and that's the exact justification used by early progressives to advocate for eugenics.

a reply to: TheTory

So, Winston Churchill was "a progressive"?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Peddle your strawman elsewhere.

I stated that eugenics WAS NOT a phenomenon of leftists and WAS accepted science in the early 20th century.

A leftist is someone who supports and advocates the political views of the left. Early 20th-century progressives and socialists advocated the political views of the left. Therefor they are leftists. You don't even know what a strawman is.

originally posted by: TheTory

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Gryphon66

Says the person who apparently doesn't know that the word "leftist" didn't come into use until the 1930s.

I never stated otherwise. It looks like we have more than one failure here.

hahahaha... I can just see you sitting there with your finger and your thumb in the shape of an "L" on your forehead.

Look.... the point is that early 20th century ideologies don't equate to modern ideologies or party affiliation. I've seen this idiotic argument so many times now, coming from modern right wingers. It's as if they want to convince us that modern Conservative Republicans is the party of liberty, civil rights and equality when we all know that's the furthest thing from the truth.

Here's your headline: British Politician: Tories Guilty Of ‘Eugenics’ Against Disabled People published July 10th, 2017 not 1917

And honestly..... "failure" isn't an insult. I've failed more times than I can remember. If you haven't failed at something than you haven't tried to do anything.

Later....

Well that's convenient, isn't it? But you're wrong. The fundamental notion of progressivism is "progress", and that's the exact justification used by early progressives to advocate for eugenics.

Derp....

So... the fundamental notion of Conservativism is conservation? lol... omg... Please read a book or two... maybe do an internet search.... bang your head against the wall... anything to get some knowledge in that noggin.

Peace out bro... I feel confident that those of your ilk are on their way out. Thank goodness.

a reply to: Blarneystoner

Derp....

So... the fundamental notion of Conservativism is conservation? lol... omg... Please read a book or two... maybe do an internet search.... bang your head against the wall... anything to get some knowledge in that noggin.

Peace out bro... I feel confident that those of your ilk are on their way out. Thank goodness.

Um, yes it is. Just like the fundamental idea of liberalism is liberty. What level of education did you finish again?

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Derp....

So... the fundamental notion of Conservativism is conservation? lol... omg... Please read a book or two... maybe do an internet search.... bang your head against the wall... anything to get some knowledge in that noggin.

Peace out bro... I feel confident that those of your ilk are on their way out. Thank goodness.

Um, yes it is. Just like the fundamental idea of liberalism is liberty. What level of education did you finish again?

Collective Liberty or Individual Liberty?

You keep implying that I'm stupid... why don't you just come out and say it? Or are you actually trying to convince yourself?

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Gryphon66

Peddle your strawman elsewhere.

I stated that eugenics WAS NOT a phenomenon of leftists and WAS accepted science in the early 20th century.

A leftist is someone who supports and advocates the political views of the left. Early 20th-century progressives and socialists advocated the political views of the left. Therefor they are leftists. You don't even know what a strawman is.

And you apparently only know basic dictionary definitions that you can Google.

The strawman argument is one of your main tactics. You cast someone else's claims in your own terms, and then argue against that.

Like you're doing here. You make a claim about eugenics and leftists, now you want to talk about progressives and socialists, apparently unaware of the barest history of eugenics. Your argument is at the level of a bubble-gum wrapper.

My allusion to Winston Churchill, for example.

When he was Home Secretary (February 1910-October 1911) Churchill was in favor of the confinement, segregation, and sterilization of a class of persons contemporarily described as the “feeble minded.”

and

"The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks constitutes a national and race danger which is impossible to exaggerate. I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed before another year has passed."

~Winston Churchill

Source

a reply to: Blarneystoner

This is the same mentality that claims that the German Nazis were "socialists" because the word is in their name.

I kid you not; that's an actual argument.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Blarneystoner

This is the same mentality that claims that the German Nazis were "socialists" because the word is in their name.

I kid you not; that's an actual argument.

I believe it... I'm dumbfounded... but I'm not the product of public "education"

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Blarneystoner

This is the same mentality that claims that the German Nazis were "socialists" because the word is in their name.

I kid you not; that's an actual argument.

I believe it... I'm dumbfounded... but I'm not the product of public "education"

You have to ignore the garden-variety quality of the insults around here sometimes. Many folks are one or two trick ponies.

a reply to: Blarneystoner

Collective Liberty or Individual Liberty?

You keep implying that I'm stupid... why don't you just come out and say it? Or are you actually trying to convince yourself?

Liberty. Is there a reason why you should split the two?

You called me a stupid and a buffoon if you can remember, but now I have to watch as your goal posts get as wide as the horizon.