The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left

originally posted by: SolAquarius
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I guess what I am getting at is that it intellectually dishonest to just make such a broad statement that the nazis are of the left or socialist like marxist socialist.
Without digging deep into their history and ideology.

What is intellectually dishonest is to claim that we cannot say for certain that the NAZIS were socialist... Their programs showed they were socialists...

In what kind of system do you see a "state-run healthcare"?...

The elderly, the handicapped, etc were called by the NAZIS as "lebensunwertes leben", which means "life unworthy of life"... Kind of reminds you of certain group these days doesn't it?...

Not to mention that one of the progressives leaders which is adored even today by the left, Margaret Sanger, while being the editor of "Birth Control Review", posted and article in April 1933 by Ernst Rudin...

What's more...here is the article...

birthcontrolreview.net...

And here is what the progressive idol Margaret Sanger herself had to say...

Margaret Sanger, "Birth Control and Racial Betterment," Feb 1919.

Published article. Source: Birth Control Review, Feb. 1919. , Library of Congress Microfilm 131:0099B .

Birth Control and Racial Betterment
By Margaret Sanger

Before eugenists and others who are laboring for racial betterment can succeed, they must first clear the way for Birth Control. Like the advocates of Birth Control, the eugenists, for instance, are seeking to assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit. Both are seeking a single end but they lay emphasis upon different methods.

Eugenists emphasize the mating of healthy couples for the conscious purpose of producing healthy children, the sterilization of the unfit to prevent their populating the world with their kind and they may, perhaps, agree with us that contraception is a necessary measure among the masses of the workers, where wages do not keep pace with the growth of the family and its necessities in the way of food, clothing, housing, medical attention, education and the like.
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Here is another juicy part from the progressive hero Sanger...

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We maintain that a woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions is the best judge of the time and conditions under which her child should be brought into the world. We further maintain that it is her right, regardless of all other considerations, to determine whether she shall bear children or not, and how many children she shall bear if she chooses to become a mother. To this end we insist that information in regard to scientific contraceptives be made open to all. We believe that if such information is placed within the reach of all, we will have made it possible to take the first, greatest step toward racial betterment and that this step, assisted in no small measure by the educational propaganda of eugenists and members of similar schools, will be taken.
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We who advocate Birth Control, on the other hand, lay all our emphasis upon stopping not only the reproduction of the unfit but upon stopping all reproduction when there is not economic means of providing proper care for those who are born in health. The eugenist also believes that a woman should bear as many healthy children as possible as a duty to the state. We hold that the world is already over-populated. Eugenists imply or insist that a woman's first duty is to the state; we contend that her duty to herself is her duty to the state.
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www.nyu.edu...

Oh and btw...Ernst Rudin was the sadistic moron who advised the Nazi Socialist Workers Party on "how to prevent hereditary defective genes on future generations"...

So before anyone tries to imply once again the false claim that "electricuniverse is a NAZI" you better educate yourselves on where the beliefs those of you in the left have to this day came from...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

LOL

If Sanger was a Nazi, so was Winston Churchill.

He wrote: "The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the Feeble-Minded and Insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate. I am convinced that the multiplication of the Feeble-Minded, which is proceeding now at an artificial rate, unchecked by any of the old restraints of nature, and actually fostered by civilised conditions, is a terrible danger to the race." He called sterilization a "simple surgical operation so the inferior could be permitted freely in the world without causing much inconvenience to others."

Source

You really need to so some research before you make silly claims.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

There was a lot of anti semitic occult groups active in germany after world war one.

they seemed to be drawn to various theosophical ideas that spoke of a master race.

There was a lot of fertile ground in post world war 1 for the Nazi Ideology to develop.

Two of the occult societies that come to mind are VRIL and THULE

Oh and btw...go to page 102 in Margaret Sanger's magazine "Birth control Review" to verify and educate yourselves on what the NAZI moron Ersnt Rudin wrote...

birthcontrolreview.net...

Ernst Rüdin (April 19, 1874 in St. Gallen – October 22, 1952) was a Swiss-born German psychiatrist, geneticist, eugenicist and Nazi. Rising to prominence under Emil Kraepelin and assuming his directorship at what is now called the Max Planck Institute of Psychiatry in Munich, he has long been scientifically honoured and cited internationally as the pioneer of psychiatric inheritance studies. He also argued for, designed, justified and funded the mass sterilization and clinical killing of adults and children.
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Nazi expert

In 1933, Ernst Rüdin, Alfred Ploetz, and several other experts on racial hygiene were brought together to form the Expert Committee on Questions of Population and Racial Policy under Reich Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick. The committee's ideas were used as a scientific basis to justify the racial policy of Nazi Germany and its "Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring" was passed by the German government on January 1, 1934. Rüdin was such an avid proponent that colleagues nicknamed him the "Reichsfuhrer for Sterilization"[2][18]
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a reply to: Gryphon66

So you agree that Winston Churchill, just like Margaret Sanger, and the NAZIs during Hitler's reign were all sadistic and evil?...

So what does that says about those people who to this day still honor people like Margaret Sanger?...

Not to mention. All this evidence corroborates what the op set out to do. "The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left"...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Move those goalposts bud! Try to get away from the fact that you call people like Churchill Nazis, LOL

And declare victory ... even though everything you've claimed is wrong.

You're a special case.

good thread. However, ever heard of Project Paperclip? And I have personally seen a western civilization history book used in freshman college level courses describing the US as the Fourth Reich.

IMNO, time is circular, meaning it's quite dificult to tell what originally took place, and what's been a "do-over" to make it his story...
But certainly, I don't think politicizing it with left or right is accurate or fair. It's much deeper than that.

The Nazi carry on is never ending, its like we are still in WW2 ,now its a bloody KKK and the Neo Nazis are a threat,[all a concocted beat up and lie] greater threat than Kim ! ,Everything that is a threat is ''Nazi' ,its ridiculous, they are the touch stone of the Archetypal Evil that people run to ,''oh if you don't agree with my leftist fanaticism you are a Nazi or Fascist I hope you burn you homophobic ,anti semite ,racist, white supremacist'' ,Hitler would be proud if he came back and saw that the 1000 year Reich is happening thing ! stupid magazines constantly with articles in newsstands ''Hitlers evil human experiments'' ,''Hitlers secret plan to Rule the World'' ,''Hitlers other Holocaust'' [complete with fake butchered photo shopping ] its like we have to be constantly reminded by ''someone '' with an Agenda to keep us feeling sorry for ''Someone '' and the dirty deeds they are doing and getting away with[for the past 60 years] ,oh because Hitler gave them a hard time they are entitled to give someone else a ''HARD TIME '' because they deserve it .

a reply to: Gryphon66

Move goal posts?... Really? so the thread is not about "The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left"?...

Wow...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Gryphon66

So you agree that Winston Churchill, just like Margaret Sanger, and the NAZIs during Hitler's reign were all sadistic and evil?...

So what does that says about those people who to this day still honor people like Margaret Sanger?...

Not to mention. All this evidence corroborates what the op set out to do. "The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left"...

"some people who did important things in history were really quite colossal dicks and the good they did is utterly inseparable from the bad or any sort of historical context, THEREFORE Bernie Sanders founded the Nazi party and you should just ignore the people in the world today waving actual swastika flags and calling for the elimination of the jews"

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Why do you have a problem who started it?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Gryphon66

Move goal posts?... Really? so the thread is not about "The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left"?...

Wow...

a reply to: ozb1777

Are you saying the Nazis were the good guys and that the Holocaust is just a big Photoshop job? And yes, white supremacists are a much greater threat than north Korea: Korea only threatens the United States physically, and they are extremely limited in that ability. Racists, fascists, Nazis, and other enemies of the Enlightenment threaten the Unite States spiritually, from within. There has been an ugly trend to normalize ethnic hatred here. It only takes a few seats in local government to bring apartheid back to America.

The assertion of the OP is that since "Birth of a Nation" was screened in the Wilson White House that the modern Democratic Party is the same as the Nazi Party.

This has been shown to be absurd.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I was curious of Sanger's use of the term "racial", until I read her autobiography. She consistently uses that term not to mean black or white, but the human race in general.

Birth control voluntarily used to prevent the birth of children unwanted by the women whose bodies would be carrying them is a good thing.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You'll get your fair share of mockery for every colportation of stupid Nazi propaganda I'll see. I'm done with the puppy license for moronic lies, live with it.

It seems obvious you don't understand that... NATIONALISM IS NOT INCLUSIVE IN RIGTH-WING IDEOLOGY...

National Socialism is not rightwing because neither socialism, nor nationalism are right-wing... nationalism can be found in left-wing and right-wing countries...

Left-wing regimes like Cuba, the U.S.S.R., China, North Korea, Venezuela, among many others are/were "nationalistic"...

Does it? It seems obvious that nationalism isnt national socialism. Do you need an external differentiator to sort things out or is changing goal posts just your way of life? Concentrate, I need you to seek out the Goebbels in your head running amok again.
One can say that Stalinism was a de facto fascist system in a tyrannical UdSSR. I don't disagree with you there, which is why the literate folks call it stalinism and not socialism.

And yes, the Übermensch bollocks wasn't instrumentalized by the Nazis only.

Limpieza de sangre

It referred to those who were considered pure "Old Christians", without Muslim or Jewish ancestors, or within the context of the empire (New Spain and Portuguese India) usually to those without ancestry from the Indigenous peoples of the Americas, Asia, or Africa.

That's the fascist ideology for a whole era of colonization and slavery in a nutshell.

originally posted by: tetra50
good thread. However, ever heard of Project Paperclip? And I have personally seen a western civilization history book used in freshman college level courses describing the US as the Fourth Reich.

IMNO, time is circular, meaning it's quite dificult to tell what originally took place, and what's been a "do-over" to make it his story...
But certainly, I don't think politicizing it with left or right is accurate or fair. It's much deeper than that.

That's coming from the Frankfurt School of Thought and the "Dialectics of Enlightenment". According to Adorno and Horkheimer, a wild and unbalanced positivism in a capitalist society (democracy or not) will lead to a fascist system eventually.
Which is what we see with the MIC and endless wars of agression for "democracy and freedom". Todays genocide doesn't instrumentalize gas chambers, it's more like the radioactive fallout from Fukushima but class warfare is real.

I think we should be carefull with 4th Reich analogies, a full blown holocaust is a whole other level of crazy. Overstatements like that could be seen as a relativation of Nazi crimes and a overdramatisation of plain positivism. But it's a good provocation to incite debate and the thought is legit to a certain degree.

We can't even agree on what the words "right" and "left" mean in this context, so there's no real reason to continue to argue which group is which, is there?

The party of "don't try to revise history" is now trying to change the nomenclature that has been in place for nearly a hundred years.

To call it hypocritical would be redundant.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
We can't even agree on what the words "right" and "left" mean in this context, so there's no real reason to continue to argue which group is which, is there?

Yeah I often encounter this problem when I am driving and someone is giving me directions and they tell me to turn left and I go right or vice versa.