Bug Out !!! - Coronal Mass Ejection

a reply to: Phage

Right, it's the CME that people need to be worried about more than satellites getting futzed up from the flare. But either way, it'll take a hell of a biggie dose of either to really bring us to a grinding halt of any kind.

a reply to: Nyiah

Indeed.
Estimates are that a Varrington event occurs, on average, once in 500 years or so.
Like a large asteroid hit, pretty rare, but when it happens watch out.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ShadowChatter

Oh.

I thought you might have said something like magnetohydrodynamics. But you foxed me.

Are you alluding to the LHC and the HAARP?

Can the LHCHAARP even affect the sun? Those pesky bugger, Leave the sun alone

a reply to: ShadowChatter

bug out to where EXACTLY ????????????????????

unless you have the rescources to relocate to the night side of the planet - and remain there by hopping from location to location - then bug out = futile

PS - never look at the sun with unprotected eyes EVAR

a reply to: Phage

word salad tossing ?

Did anyone else watch the video? I believe it is pretty old.

OP to be quite honest with you......if Phage had put this out 3/4 of ATS'ers would be "bugging out" and wouldn't even hesitate to do so....I've learned in my 6 years that this Phage knows his shat when it comes to all things space related. We should however have a bugout bag on the ready....there is a damn huge hurricane headed this way.....with it's two cohorts behind it.

originally posted by: ShadowChatter
a reply to: Phage

It could trigger a tipping point by providing Hurricane Irma with additional torsion flux ..

Well, that would have been what you could have included in your OP, I guess. But, should the Norwegians bug out? What about the Peruvians? New Zealanders? Or just you..


...unless you already blew your doom load and have fallen asleep.

originally posted by: Jefferton
*rolls eyes*

That was a joke, right?

A "joke?" That was quite serious info on how to hand the scream from someone else to "bug out."

Besides, what else do you take seriously today on the news or even ATS?

a reply to: ShadowChatter

Don't get my hopes of getting knocked back to the 19th century up.

Although I don't agree this CME is a cause to bug out I do agree it could create changes in our atmosphere and temps in our oceans. Seems plausible the amount of energy from a CME causes more than a possible disturbance with gps. If the upper atmosphere gets highly charged or is hit with a massive radiation storm, seems like the heat and changes in the atmosphere would cause weather and or geological changes.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Nyiah

Indeed.
Estimates are that a Varrington event occurs, on average, once in 500 years or so.
Like a large asteroid hit, pretty rare, but when it happens watch out.

Where did you read that at? I thought the Carrington was the biggest ever recorded, and the only one that size to hit us. At any rate, there was an article put out in 2012 that stated there's a 1 in 8 chance of another Carrington Event hitting us by 2020.

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a reply to: ShadowChatter

From your link it appears to only be an M5

The current plasma burst from the sun stems from an M5 or relatively medium-strength flare on Monday.

Generally, you only worry when it is in the higher "X" range. If I am not mistaken (can't find the estimated level currently) the Carrington Event was X-10 or higher.


news.nationalgeographic.com...

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Technical Data:
www.swsc-journal.org...

3.1. Summary
In response to new research on the 1859 solar-terrestrial event
since the survey by Cliver & Svalgaard (2004), we updated our
assessment of this remarkable event. In the intervening years,
the estimate of the size of the flare has been refined from ‘‘conservatively
>X10’’ to ~X45 (±5), with bolometric flare energy
~5 · 1032 ergs (and bolometric plus CME kinetic energy of
~2 · 1033 ergs). Estimates of the Dst minimum of the associated
magnetic storm have drifted downward from 1760 nT
to ~900 nT (+50, 150), based on hourly-averaging of the
Colaba record and the likelihood of auroral contamination.
The estimate for the >30 MeV SEP fluence of ~1.9 ·
1010 pr cm2 for the Carrington event deduced from nitrate
composition in ice cores has been invalidated (Wolff et al.
2012). A nominal value of F30 = 1.1 · 1010 pr cm2 was
obtained for an X45 event (in a ‘‘worst case’’ scenario for a
sequence of eruptive flares) by using a correlation between
F30 and SXR flare fluence for space-age events. The ±1r
uncertainty band on this F30 value is large, ranging from
~109 to ~1011 pr cm2
.
3.2.

If anyone still has their solar eclipse glasses they can see the sunspots that are nearly the diameter of Jupiter! Very cool! But there have been larger ones so don't panic and do not look directly at the sun without proper eye protection!

SOHO Sunspots

Flux? Flux? I hope this doesn't upset my Flux Capacitor as I want to go back to the Woodstock festival again and again, etc. etc.

Generally, you only worry when it is in the higher "X" range

There's been an Update !!!

X 10 solar flare

a reply to: Phage

Dont you need a flux capacitor for that?

a reply to: ShadowChatter

lined full size metal garbage can works well, just insulate the sides with a sleeping mat or something so nothing touches the metal.

Will my Soler panel charge my battery quicker?

originally posted by: ShadowChatter

Generally, you only worry when it is in the higher "X" range

There's been an Update !!!

X 10 solar flare

Looks like your link vanished 404'd

That little bucket doesn't make a good bug out Faraday shelter... you have to go for broke with tinfoil.