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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Salander
now state a theory on what brought down WTC 7.
originally posted by: kyleplatinum
How curious that on the day of the attack, Giuliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event.
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: MALBOSIA
The truth must come out...
However, for the 9/11 conspiracies of no jet's and CD to be true, then it is not the government that is lying.
It's the hundred plus civilian eyewitnesses that attest to a large commercial jet hitting the pentagon. The civilian coroner's that over saw the human remains and released them to families. Civilian demolitions experts and civilian engineers that cleaned up ground zero. New York fire fighters that helped with cleanup. New York cops that collected evidence. Laborers and equipment operators. Local cops the worked the WTC lay down yards. NIST would have to actively cover up CD. The transportation board. The persons that analyzes steel and conducted metallurgical analysis. Air traffic controllers. Airport staff. Maintenance crews that inspected jets. The 1000 plus persons working recovery at shanksville......
Get the idea.
originally posted by: audubon
originally posted by: kyleplatinum
How curious that on the day of the attack, Giuliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event.
Yes, utterly inexplicable, considering the fact that WTC7 was hugely and very visibly damaged by the nearby collapse of WTC1 & 2, everyone had been evacuated from it, and fire officers knew it was a matter of when it collapsed, not if.
I wonder what Giuliani was thinking when he decided to set up command somewhere else? How very suspicious.
Complete 911 Timeline
World Trade Center
www.historycommons.org.../11=complete_911_timeline_world_trade_center
New York City’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM) is responsible for coordinating the city’s response to major incidents, including terrorist attacks. [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004, PP. 283-284]
Its offices are in Building 7 of the World Trade Center. Today is reportedly “going to be a busy day at the OEM,” as staff members have come to work early to prepare for Tripod, a major biological-terrorism training exercise scheduled for September 12 (see September 12, 2001). Their building shakes when the North Tower is hit at 8:46 a.m. OEM Commissioner John Odermatt initially believes a freak accident has occurred involving a ground-to-air missile, but soon after, OEM is informed that a plane hit the North Tower. Immediately, OEM staff members begin to activate their emergency command center, located on the 23rd floor of WTC 7 (see June 8, 1999). [JENKINS AND EDWARDS-WINSLOW, 9/2003, PP. 15] They call agencies such as the New York fire and police departments, and the Department of Health, and direct them to send their designated representatives to the OEM. They also call the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and request at least five federal Urban Search and Rescue Teams. [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004, PP. 293] According to the 9/11 Commission, OEM’s command center will be evacuated at 9:30 a.m. due to reports of further unaccounted for planes (see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001). By that time, none of the outside agency liaisons will have arrived. [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004, PP. 305] Other accounts indicate the command center may be evacuated earlier, possibly even before the second tower is hit (see (Soon After 8:46 a.m.-9:35 a.m.) September 11, 2001 and (Shortly Before 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001).
Entity Tags: Office of Emergency Management, Tripod, John Odermatt
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Category Tags: All Day of 9/11 Events, World Trade Center, Training Exercises
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but soon after, OEM is informed that a plane hit the North Tower. Immediately, OEM staff members begin to activate their emergency command center, located on the 23rd floor of WTC 7
www.historycommons.org...
According to the 9/11 Commission, OEM’s command center will be evacuated at 9:30 a.m. due to reports of further unaccounted for planes (see (9:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001). By that time, none of the outside agency liaisons will have arrived.
How curious that on the day of the attack, Giuliani and his entourage set up shop in a different headquarters, abandoning the special bunker designed precisely for such an event.
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kyleplatinum
Did you just not read the post?
www.historycommons.org...
but soon after, OEM is informed that a plane hit the North Tower. Immediately, OEM staff members begin to activate their emergency command center, located on the 23rd floor of WTC 7
Maybe because the WTC has a history of being a terrorist target, and maybe individuals were worried being at a target would make the command center ineffective? Maybe the first impact messed with power? Maybe it was believed the chaos centering around the hit towers would make communications ineffective. The success of a command relies on lines of communications.
originally posted by: kyleplatinum
The WTC 7 OEM was evacuated between 9:03am and 9:30am, before any collapse of 1 or 2.
The OEM bunker in the WTC 7 was the brain of the entire 9/11 operation, the nerve center.
It needed to come down, it was meant to fail and destroy all evidence.
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: MALBOSIA
What would be the purpose of exposing the OS as a lie at this point? Seems like an odd question to be, but one answer is very obvious and very simple: pursuit of the truth for one's own peace of mind. And that can be extended from the individual to the social level too.
But for the curious man with an open mind, the OS was exposed as a lie many years ago. The honest debate was over many years ago, when about 80% of respondents to a poll regarding the accuracy of the 911 Commission Report thought it was dishonest, set up to fail as its heads said in public, and following in the pattern of the public disbelief of the Warren Commission all those years later.
Who really believes the government anymore? No element of the official story can be proved, from airliners to destruction at WTC horribly inconsistent with the NIST report.
That's fine. I get that. But what I wonder is if you are better off with truth being the OS?
Would you be better off after the legitimacy of the US government was destroyed when the truth became official? Or were you better off with the OS as it is and the US was able to secure it's global interests that all Americans and their allies benefit from?
As you said, we all know the OS is not the truth but what benefit would there be in making that official? I don't see any good coming from that.
originally posted by: MrBig2430
originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver
a reply to: MrBig2430
ETA: I've been here a while and used to try and partake in 9/11 threads because I was interested and felt that something was wrong with the OS"?
So do I.
The thing is, I don't see it as an inside job.
I see the Commission Report as a whitewash of intelligence failures.
I see the NIST report as a whitewash of structural and/or fire proofing inadequecies.
Both for political reasons.
originally posted by: MrBig2430
originally posted by: cyberjedi
It baffles me as to how many studies are needed to conclude what is so blatantly the case with tower 7, controlled demolition.
Because that conclusion is wrong
And the simpletons that believe that 9/11 was pulled off by the goobermint need another thing to rally their delusions around