Univ of Alaska findings on WTC 7

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: samkent

There just seems to be a few people who can't accept the truth.

Like all those irrational and idiotic Architects and Engineers who donated money to help fund the study

I seriously doubt that any a's or e's donated money for this study. Nor do you have any evidence that they did.

Gage collected money from the delusional that believe in the conspiracy.

and that foolish PhD who agreed to spend so much time studying it, right? It is not as straightforward as you propose at all.

Oh but it is.

If you did some real research, you'd find out that the conclusion - that 7 couldn't have fallen from fires - was pronounced LONG before any work was done.

Now, most would call pretty straightforward. A straightforward fake study, that is....

I believe that the official version is true, but incomplete. Bush knew something was in the pipeline, but had no idea of the scale. Possibly he was expecting 1970s-style hijackings, the sort of thing that deteriorates into airport closures and hostage negotiations.

He was best mates with Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, who has now been exposed (by the long-withheld "28 pages") as the paymaster for the hijacking crew.

Holographic airplanes? Mini-nukes? Crisis actors? Controlled demolition? Childish nonsense that wouldn't even be good sci-fi.

But the President being intimate buddies with one of the key organisers? That's a fact.

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: CreationBro

So if jet fuel was not the main fire fuel, what was fueling the fires to heat that specific steel to fail the way that it did?

From what I can remember, the steel in those buildings needed to be heated to something like 1800+ degrees to fail. Ill fact check this, but that is very high temp.

It sounds like you are coming up short in the physics area as well as the true facts of 911.

Try this at home:
Use a paper match to heat up a needle or straight pin.
It will glow orange.
You can bend it like nothing like nothing when glowing.
All with burning paper.

Then look at the size of the floor trusses used and how thin the steel in them was.

After that the collapsing towers should not be some big mystery anymore.

So you're saying: If one finds themselves in a 3+ story building, and someone lights a paper match; head for the exit?

If they're setting the place on fire?

Yes

originally posted by: audubon
I believe that the official version is true, but incomplete. Bush knew something was in the pipeline, but had no idea of the scale. Possibly he was expecting 1970s-style hijackings, the sort of thing that deteriorates into airport closures and hostage negotiations.

He was best mates with Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, who has now been exposed (by the long-withheld "28 pages") as the paymaster for the hijacking crew.

Holographic airplanes? Mini-nukes? Crisis actors? Controlled demolition? Childish nonsense that wouldn't even be good sci-fi.

But the President being intimate buddies with one of the key organisers? That's a fact.

I'll have too add that to my whitewash list

originally posted by: CreationBro
a reply to: MrBig2430

From what I can remember, the steel in those buildings needed to be heated to something like 1800+ degrees to fail. Ill fact check this, but that is very high temp.

It's time/temperature/load dependent. So it may fail instantly at 1800 with x load. Or fail after 10 minutes at 1500 with 1.5x load. Or after 30 minutes at 1200 with 2x load.

It's not as simple as you've been told.

Research creep failure. It explains it a little.

Wasnt thermitic material found too?

Not even close to being proven. Weak evidence

Just....wow. Wish I had more words.

Anyone believe in karma from aiding and abetting criminals?

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
Dr. Leroy Husley (PhD of Structural Engineering) has an on-going study of the collapse of WTC 7. Here's his University of Alaska at Fairbanks Page. The study is sponsored by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Here's their page.

He'll be presenting his preliminary findings tomorrow at 4:00 pm Alaska time. It will be live streamed here

Should be interesting.

It will be Interesting to see if his Conclusions don't Support the Controlled Demolition Theory . We ALL Know by Now that was the Case concerning that Particular Building .

a reply to: SuicideKing33

Yes, it's a crime how Dr Wood, Richard Gage, and Steven Jones exploit 9/11. Dustification, Fizzle no flash explosives, thermite paint, and thermite ceiling tiles.

Then you have the conspiracists that believe Jone is a paid government physicist to distract from Nukes at the WTC.

This should be starting any minute now. Thanks for the link OP. Really looking forward to this presentation.

A lot of posters like to argue the details of the demolitions, just to discredit the sources, never discredit the NIST report though right?

Nobody here, especially those of you with ALL the answers (some of you apparently are pilot/engineers) can explain the record number of PUT options on the airline used in the attack in the days before 9/11.

The gold removed from the basement right before the attack.

NORAD being ordered to stand down by Dick Cheney.

Bonds were set to mature on Sept. 12 (gee what a coincidence).

MARVIN BUSH the head of the security company that ran security for the WTC buildings. (Wow, just another coincidence)

It's very telling that never once will you see some posters simply say "I don't know". I mean OF COURSE planes make buildings implode DUH! Because E=mc2 and don't believe your eyes because your source sucks and the NIST report says so.

The coordinated efforts are truly astounding, and thanks to your efforts the truth may never come out.

Very instructive how the OP handles it though. Even getting a poster to out himself.

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: CreationBro
a reply to: MrBig2430

So if jet fuel was not the main fire fuel, what was fueling the fires to heat that specific steel to fail the way that it did?

From what I can remember, the steel in those buildings needed to be heated to something like 1800+ degrees to fail. Ill fact check this, but that is very high temp.

Wasnt thermitic material found too?

How would it be jet fuel when 7 wasn't even hit by a plane?

Oh right, the demo'd one?


Wait.

They were all demo'd?



I like how this reply is posted at 7:47. Must mean something.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: CreationBro

So if jet fuel was not the main fire fuel, what was fueling the fires to heat that specific steel to fail the way that it did?

From what I can remember, the steel in those buildings needed to be heated to something like 1800+ degrees to fail. Ill fact check this, but that is very high temp.

It sounds like you are coming up short in the physics area as well as the true facts of 911.

Try this at home:
Use a paper match to heat up a needle or straight pin.
It will glow orange.
You can bend it like nothing like nothing when glowing.
All with burning paper.

Then look at the size of the floor trusses used and how thin the steel in them was.

After that the collapsing towers should not be some big mystery anymore.

I was being completely honest with my questions. Why did you feel the need to insult?

A lot of you debunkers are like this. You become aggressive and rude. I wasnt even implying inside jobs, i simply think the OS isnt accurate.

Your example has proven the OS, patently. Paperclips and paper fires? Really?

Personally, I see aggresive, overtly rude people that attack anyone that even questions the OS as one thing:

Accomplice to covering up something sinister.

Call it a hunch.

originally posted by: SuicideKing33
A lot of posters like to argue the details of the demolitions, just to discredit the sources, never discredit the NIST report though right?

Nobody here, especially those of you with ALL the answers (some of you apparently are pilot/engineers) can explain the record number of PUT options on the airline used in the attack in the days before 9/11.

The gold removed from the basement right before the attack.

NORAD being ordered to stand down by Dick Cheney.

Bonds were set to mature on Sept. 12 (gee what a coincidence).

MARVIN BUSH the head of the security company that ran security for the WTC buildings. (Wow, just another coincidence)

It's very telling that never once will you see some posters simply say "I don't know". I mean OF COURSE planes make buildings implode DUH! Because E=mc2 and don't believe your eyes because your source sucks and the NIST report says so.

The coordinated efforts are truly astounding, and thanks to your efforts the truth may never come out.

Very instructive how the OP handles it though. Even getting a poster to out himself.

It's clear you only read conspiracy websites.
You should really search each one of your beliefs in detail.

Example:
Bonds mature all the time.
Exactly how did 911 affect any bond holder?

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: TobyFlenderson

If it is true that 9/11was allowed or whatever and cover2d up... considering the lengths some would have to go to see this remained covered up the last 16 years... they are just suddenly going to give up and let someone drop a bomb on the whole OS?

That makes no sense.

Nothing is going to come out about 911. The 911 OS is a part of history now. That's it.

Good point. I would say that today any person who still faithfully believes the official story WANTS to faithfully believe the official story.

Any curious person with an open mind, and has studied the material available, has understood for years now that the official story is impossible. Yet again, the government and media have deceived.

IMO it's ok to have an open mind but you have to open it far enough to realize what was done, was done for a purpose.

What would be the purpose of exposing the OS as a lie at this point? Who would that benefit?

Keep an open mind.

FYI I have been following the 911 theories on this board for 15 years. There is no argument that can be made against the OS that cannot be countered. In fact the OS evolved and built its defense based on a lot of threads that were created on this site. Every time you attack the OS it just gets stronger.

I still like to crash a thread every now and then but I usually stay out of it now. The only points that I will make at this point that cannot be argued is that the OS is a conspiracy theory and nobody under oath has testified on behalf of its authenticity. Anything else said about it cannot be proven.

a reply to: SuicideKing33

Nobody here, especially those of you with ALL the answers (some of you apparently are pilot/engineers) can explain the record number of PUT options on the airline used in the attack in the days before 9/11.

The gold removed from the basement right before the attack.

NORAD being ordered to stand down by Dick Cheney.

Bonds were set to mature on Sept. 12 (gee what a coincidence).

MARVIN BUSH the head of the security company that ran security for the WTC buildings. (Wow, just another coincidence)

Wow - whole lot of fecal matter here.....

PUT options - an investor newsletter had issued an alert shortly before that airline stocks were going down, several
major airlines had been experiencing significant losses. PUT option is what you do when expect stock to drop

Gold removed ?? Bank Of Nova Scotia had vault under WTC 4. Gold and silver bars were removed at end of October 2001

911research.wtc7.net...

NORAD ordered to stand down by Dick Cheney ?? One Cheney does not have authority on his own to stand down NORAD
It is called CHAIN OF COMMAND - Cheney is not in it. When was this supposed to happen

Bonds maturing on Sept 12 ?? What bonds are these ?? Treasury ?, Corporate ? Municipal ? Bonds mature all the time
depending on when issued and their term

Marvin Bush head of company for security at WTC. Now that is real laugh..... Bush was on board of directors for company
that installed security camera at WTC. He left the board 18 months before

Easy to parrot stuff from conspiracy site.

Takes lot more effort to actually do some research ......

a reply to: CreationBro

Why did you feel the need to insult?

There was nothing rude or insulting about my post.
You just don't have a good grasp of what simple fires can do to steel.
And how easy and quickly it does happen.

Stop in at ANY fire house and ask them if they would send firemen into a closed and burning Walmart type building.
Their answer is a flat no. Metal roof trusses quickly warp and collapse with simple fires.
Those trusses are essentially the same as the floor trusses in the wtc.

a reply to: CreationBro

OK - so what is it about official story you don't like

Be specific. Provide hard verifiable evidence

Your opinion does not matter ........

a reply to: firerescue

Mind if I jump in on this one, I will make it quick.

The 9/11 commission being set up to fail, in which Dr. Husley just showed, it did. Here is the word from the horse's mouth. 9/11 commissioner admits they were set up to fail.

Footage from Pentagon being withheld from the public. (Do you really need a source)?

Passport of the hijacker found blocks away from the crash site, because jet fuel can't melt passports. www.youtube.com...

So as the question goes, what is it you like about the official story?

a reply to: ventian

Do you realize the passport was not the only documents to survive the WTC?

You do realize many documents and IDs were recovered from the WTC.

AFTER THE ATTACKS: RELICS; Trade Center's Past In a Sad Paper Trail

mobile.nytimes.com...

By JANE FRITSCH and DAVID ROHDE
SEPTEMBER 14, 2001
A crumpled page of cleaning instructions with a reminder to damp-wipe smudges and smears. A blank check from a financial firm on the 101st floor. A tattered résumé, shreds of a faxed message, a cell-phone bill, a note about school, a bank statement, an expense report. A request for a promotion dated 1979.

Personal and official, all shapes and sizes, bits of paper blanket Lower Manhattan with the mundane poetry of office life. They drifted from the sky on Tuesday and fell to earth miles away in Brooklyn, sheets and scraps that document the 28-year life and abrupt death of the World Trade Center.
"

a reply to: ventian

Link showing boxes of recovered IDs from WTC

Families of 9/11 victims still fighting to get back more than 3,500 personal items found in World Trade Center wreckage
www.dailymail.co.uk...