Congressional approval for war

a reply to: Lagomorphe

Your country is not the only one that is being threatened or has been for the umpteenth year!

And? In case you haven't heard, this next threat includes the hydrogen bomb.

Think about those people closer to North Korea and even those in Europe who want nothing to do with your war mongering ideas!?

You mean the one's that Lil' Kim will bomb? Yeah. Maybe someone should start thinking about their safety.

a reply to: 3daysgone

We are thinking about our safety. That's our job. No one else's.

If your mob start trying to do our work for us, we might just take offense to that collectively, as free people in free nations, and teach your infant nation its place. Time your lot put your toys back in your baby carriage for a couple of decades.

a reply to: Ceeker63

Not only did the war there never end... but you mentioned "hit"...that's far from going to war... So...

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: 3daysgone

We are thinking about our safety. That's our job. No one else's.

If your mob start trying to do our work for us, we might just take offense to that collectively, as free people in free nations, and teach your infant nation its place. Time your lot put your toys back in your baby carriage for a couple of decades.

Nothing wrong with thinking about your safety. Nothing wrong with me thinking about my safety either.

My mob? My lot? lol. Listen to yourself man. Put my nation in it's place? Yeah you brits use to be good at putting other countries in their places didn't you? Oh, how does it feel to have be stopped by an infant nation when you tried to do the same thing in America. A real keyboard tuff guy huh? Smh.

a reply to: 3daysgone

Shake your head all you like, but butt out of our business.

You do not get to make choices for us. You lost any notion of being trust worthy as a nation when you permitted that [snipped] you call a President, to mess your country up to the extent that he has in his short time in office. Stuff your outrage where the sun cannot shine sir, and take responsibility for your total loss of any remote proximity to the moral high ground.

Go to congress and the Dems might refuse to back a war? Ha ha Dems repubs are two cheeks of the same A$$hole = military industrial complex and they would all jump on the band wagon, quicker than you could say bomb em. I just hope that we Brits are not involved but as usual we will be as all the yanks have to say is jump and T May will say how high?

a reply to: TonyS

Yes.

B-2 is capable.

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: Lagomorphe

Your country is not the only one that is being threatened or has been for the umpteenth year!

And? In case you haven't heard, this next threat includes the hydrogen bomb.

Think about those people closer to North Korea and even those in Europe who want nothing to do with your war mongering ideas!?

You mean the one's that Lil' Kim will bomb? Yeah. Maybe someone should start thinking about their safety.

And???

a reply to: 3daysgone

I don't think Lil' Kim cares. He has proven that by developing the hydrogen bomb.

By that double standard the uS doesn't care either, for they 'invented the hydrogen bomb'.

Of course Kim cares about his country, that is precisely why he's developing his nuclear deterrent.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Shake your head all you like, but butt out of our business.

But out of who's business? I don't even know you. I have no idea what you consider business. I am not even aware that you can understand business.

You do not get to make choices for us.

You believe that the American people make choices for whoever "us" is? America has finally got a President that puts America first. You don't like that huh? America has got a President that is doing one hell of a job for what he is up against. It reminds me of a song. The American National Anthem. It is a song that is inspired by the events that took place, in another time, when Britain thought they were right about something also.
Yeah. Trust me. We can see whats going on, on the other side of the pond. That is just another reason Trump won. But hey, good luck over there.

You lost any notion of being trust worthy as a nation when you permitted that [snipped] you call a President, to mess your country up to the extent that he has in his short time in office

Well, I truly hate to think that we, as the most powerful Nation on earth who has fought, toiled, and bled for said Nation, has lost your trust. Here is a little something to think about though. America kicked Britain's butt in one war. In another war we saved Britain's butt. If that tells me anything, it is that I don't think we need to take lesson's in leading from Britain.

Stuff your outrage where the sun cannot shine sir, and take responsibility for your total loss of any remote proximity to the moral high ground.

I heard it rains a lot in Britain. That makes it a good place to stuff all that outrage you are talking about also it seems. As far as the moral high ground is concerned, if the moral high ground is anything like the way Europe is being run right now, you can keep it, along with your outrage.

a reply to: intrptr

By that double standard the uS doesn't care either, for they 'invented the hydrogen bomb'.

I am confused. Are you glad that North Korea has a hydrogen bomb? What you are stating is false equivalence. Invention of the Hydrogen was necessary to stop a war. Lil' Kim is not in a war, he is trying to start one.

Of course Kim cares about his country, that is precisely why he's developing his nuclear deterrent.

Yeah....but his is also a psycho killer. That kind of leads me to believe that much like Hilary, he really doesn't care about those that he leads. I am sure he has an awesome bomb shelter though.

originally posted by: Lagomorphe

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: Lagomorphe

Your country is not the only one that is being threatened or has been for the umpteenth year!

And? In case you haven't heard, this next threat includes the hydrogen bomb.

Think about those people closer to North Korea and even those in Europe who want nothing to do with your war mongering ideas!?

You mean the one's that Lil' Kim will bomb? Yeah. Maybe someone should start thinking about their safety.

And???

I am sure you think that is no big deal at all. I disagree bigly.

If NK sends missile toward Guam a single Ohio class sub will launch 10-25% of it's payload and glass NK.

originally posted by: Xeven
If NK sends missile toward Guam a single Ohio class sub will launch 10-25% of it's payload and glass NK.

If not held back, the military can be very efficient.

a reply to: Ceeker63

The US is already in a state of war with North Korea, so Trump would never need to go to Congress to get an act of war.

Additionally, the President can deploy troops anywhere in the world for up to 90 days without congressional approval. Congress can extend that deployment without declaring war. That's how Iraq was fought, and likely how all future wars will be fought, as Congress doesn't want to actually declare war on anyone... so they've basically given the power to the President instead.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Zaphod58

Correct and from what I've read the B-1 bombers are already in the air, buzzing about doing practice bombing runs near the border with NoKo. My thought would be that it shouldn't be too difficult for the Air Force to nuke Pyongyang and any other major cities into oblivion, knocking out NoKo's ability to retaliate.

North Korea is very well fortified. Using nuclear weapons against them offensively would not work very well. However, NK could use them defensively to great effect (or as a counter attack).

This is why we won't send troops into North Korea. Fighting there is 10x worse than Afghanistan, and that's already giving us problems.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
You do not get to make choices for us. *snip*

*yawn*

You haven't the slightest clue what's going on, you're just parroting the propaganda that's been parroted by everybody else -- which disappoints me, because you're usually pretty rational and level headed.

I'mma break the short form down for you; Trump won by design. Hillary was never to win, the DNC blocked Bernie, and then the DNC leaked out the Hillary server mess. They lied and said it was "Russian interference" as a disinformation campaign. The American people didn't get to choose because we never had any real presidential candidates to vote for.

Obama in 2013 signed the National Defense Authorization Act which included an amendment on the back pages to repeal the ban for the State Department to produce propaganda and release it inside the United States of America. The original law was titled The Smith-Mundt Act and was drafted in 1945 and signed into law by President Truman in 1948. The Repeal is titled The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 and was attached to the NDAA for fiscal year 2013.

The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, which was contained within the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013 (section 1078 (a)) amended the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 and the Foreign Relations Authorization Act of 1987, allowing for materials produced by the State Department and the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG) to be available within the United States.[1][2]

This created Fake News INSIDE our country, we've been using fake news outside of it since World War I.

What's happening between the "Neo Nazi's" and "BLM" and "Antifa" and all of those social movements, is the same thing as when we "Armed" the rebels in Syria and Libya, which is also a farce. We didn't arm any rebels, it was CIA and MI6 agents the entire time. So no, your country was not only complacent in this coup, but very much a part of it. Antifa and the "Alt Right" were bused in from all over the country, and even on the same buses to attend the Charlotessville rally in VA. It's a false flag on a much smaller level to form a grass roots following of real people by forcing them to subconsciously choose a side through false media reporting and fake news.

It's not OUR fault. It's a deep state coup to tank America. The used Donald Trump to cause the initial division of the people in the country, they then falsely reported on him being racist [he's not], working in allegiance with the Kremlin. [He didn't, the "hack" came straight out of the Democratic National Committee] Then they called him senile and started running the story that he had early onset dementia and was unfit to be the president -- then they caused the Rally in VA and then blamed Trump for that too. All the while, everything he tries to do is stonewalled by both republican and democratic parties, he's basically under house arrest, he's being Grandstanded.

So now we have radical leftists, radical rightists, we have extremist supremacists, and not one person in America is being told the truth from ANY news network.

This is all by design and can be traced back to William Casey, the CIA Director during the Raegan Administration. He lobbied against The Smith-Mundt Act and tried to over turn it then -- circumvented it by feeding disinformation to the UK which then got picked up by our local news stations -- defacto, broadcasting propaganda inside America. They called this "Blow Back" and claimed that it was an unintended consequence of running disinformation campaigns on foreign states. We should have known better, however, since he lobbied to do away with the ban before that explanation was released. He also absolutely said;

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"

And the source for that statement was falsified to have come from radio talk show host Mae Brussel who ran a conspiracy show, but the real source is as follows;

Barbara Honegger, studied at Stanford University

I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries to report to him on what they had learned about their agencies in the first couple of weeks of the administration.
The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the 'intelligence' that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines.
As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which
he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting
as he said it. Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public. Barbara Honegger [email protected]

So you can see the campaign worked really, really, really quickly once they snuck the repeal of the ban on propaganda through in 2013. I might add that, that was done by none other than President Obama.

So you can see plainly, that this is outside of our control and all of the disruption and chaos happening in our country right now is because media has been weaponized against us.

As you know, most of the PC and social justice movements started in our universities -- and what just hit ATS the last couple of days? Leaked documents from the CIA suggesting they infiltrate our universities and colleges to change the curriculum of journalism to foster "integrity."

They were working with the presidents of the universities and colleges to indoctrinate people out of the practice of real journalism. So when you see all the news in the United States right now, it's all from Unamed Source, Anonymous Source, Unknown leaker, and nobody is conducting journalism anymore, they are just reading teleprompters -- so on and on it goes, because it's all coming straight from the State Department.

6 corporations own 90% of our news channels and outlets. Here is a link for the source;

These 6 corporations control 90% of the news media in America

[Continued]

a reply to: SRPrime

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This is a full on play to sabotage The United States of America from the powers that be, call it the deep state, the shadow government, the global elite, the illuminati -- I don't care what you call it, this is the end game, right here. You're witnessing it unfold and it's outside of OUR control. You're witnessing the end of society as we know it. If America falls, so does everyone else, and that's when the new thing comes in.

There is so much evidence to support this it's beyond ridiculous, another supporting piece of evidence is the fact that America is not a racist country, nearly 40% of all the millionaires in America are Black and they only constitute 12.5% of our population, the white people voted for the Black President, there is no institutionalized racism against people of color, it's actually the exact opposite. Between Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity laws, Black people actually have privilege, yet the ones that are poor are mad at us, who are also poor for them being poor, despite almost half of all the wealthy people in the country being Black, even though Black people don't make up even 15% of our total population. It doesn't take a mathematician to realize that's not balanced or fair for anybody BUT Black people. This is just very literal proof of the disinformation campaigns they run inside the United States.

Another supporting piece of evidence is that William Casey Director of the CIA in the 1980's came under fire for attempting to topple Libya and Muammar Qaddaffi. He called for the assassination of Qaddaffi himself and had a plan to achieve it already in place.

Target Qaddafi

Source. This story was ran in 1987 -- we followed his plan to the letter in 2011 and led "rebels" to the capture and subsequent murder of Muammar Qaddafi. Because it became a scandal in the 1980's, it just put the time table on hold. When we did it in 2011, who helped us? MI6 -- the Britts.

They are playing us against each other, so we keep fighting over things that aren't real, we're being conscripted into our own destruction -- and when we fall, so do you. When capitalism and free markets "fail" what ideology comes next? One based on socialism/communism/fascism. The next ideology will be Marxist.

Like, come on brother -- don't get mad at us, when it's not OUR fault. We aren't telling YOU anything. We didn't lose credibility as people, the world's governments did when they surrendered power to the global elite.

If we look forward and at the recent developments of geopolitics, we see the globe posturing for WWIII. It's going to be China/Russia/North Korea/Iran vs Israel/USA/France/UK. China is feeding both North Korea and Iran Nuclear material, money, science, and technology. We sanctioned North Korea and China gave them a couple billion. Russia AND China told us to not interfere or they would step in on behalf of North Korea. So Russia is China's Ally, and China is super arming our greatest enemy whilst holding South Korea hostage. China has some new plays to supersede the American Dollar as the world reserve currency by toppling the pretrousd. If they topple the petrousd and replace it with a new world reserve currency, that's game set and match -- we won't even be able to fight them back because we'll be bankrupt. We don't have the cash, we have the biggest credit line -- we borrow cash from China, which is why they hold 80% of our debt. They knock out our credit line and call their debts due and we go bankrupt. If America goes Bankrupt, the Global Market will crash.

This is why they've been buying up our debt and loaning us capital based on our credit rating. It's the long con. If we go, you go, and the axis becomes the mega hyper power and the allies go bankrupt, how do you fight a war with no funding? What do you think China/Russia will do when it controls the world from behind the barrel of a gun? Communism, a form of it. It's already infiltrated the united states in the form of Marxists. The NWO/Global Government will be the bad kind of socialist and everyone in the world will want to buy it because of how hard our political ideology failed.

Keep in mind that the real global elite wish to depopulate the planet, this is why they built the seed vaults and started the genetic modification of the world's food supply. Someone is gonna push the button for real this time if the 1st world collapses.

It's the 11th hour on the doomsday clock and nobody can even see the forest through the trees.

We got stupid Elon Musk talking about "North Korea is fine, the real threat to starting WWIII will be caused by A.I." -- talk about irresponsible and stupid. What's happening right now is the most tense the world has ever been. At the start of WWII there weren't WMD's so conventional war was possible -- it's not anymore and both the good guys and the bad guys have the power to basically blow up the world at a moments notice. Cold War to the infinite power.

a reply to: SRPrime

All of which I am aware of.

The reluctance of your nations people to make themselves such a nuisance to the government that the government is no longer able to do these things, means that your people, and your government, no longer have any business or for that matter, ability, to make decisions on anyone else's behalf, or in their defence. You have to accept that until your people have taken responsibility for permitting their government to become more important to itself than they are, they will have to take a step back and actually account for these things, before considering themselves or their government fit to even act outside the US, leave alone on anyones behalf.

The fact that the sabotage succeeded, is precisely the fault of the people now, since they have been repeatedly told what is really going on, and refused to believe it.

Here in Britain, most people know precisely what is really happening, but have no tools to deal with it, nor any idea how to approach the issue to tackle it directly. They are willing but confused. To hear many around here from the US talk however, they have no bloody idea what is really going on, and are allowing themselves to be forced to appease, or worse join in with, some sick pantomime of Europe in the 1930s.

Saved our butts in WW2 ha ha ha Hitler could not have invaded any where without the help of FORD who was supplying him with engines and standard oil who was selling him oil. Not to forget that people like the bush family, were helping to finance him. Then the great USA sat on the bylines while the war raged on which they helped to create then when every one was on their knees they finally entered the war. They did not come as a friend. They sold us their help in a war that they helped to create in the first place. Hitler was Time magazine man of the year lol
Now we have lil kim and we are all being suckered into another war. No doubt lil kim is an american asset playing his part just like Hitler did. Dont forget that after the war most of the nazies ended up in the states under operation paperclip. You only went to the moon thanks to Von Braun a nazi. lol Saved our butts lol