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originally posted by: burgerbuddy
And do something about the anchor baby thing.
originally posted by: pavil
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Asktheanimals
Spend 10's of billions of dollars that would become obsolete in about 6 months? They'd figure out a way over. under or around it.
Let them try. Let's see their resolve to get in illegally.
And the BS about biz owners being heavily fined when caught hiring them? If they weren't here, they couldn't hire them, right?
Think of it like you own a biz with 20 employees, say a jewelry store or a resto.
Do you give your employees a chance to steal from you or do you lock things up at night?
And do you think the illegals will go home or hang around and try for welfare programs? Then what? A big round up?
And they think the Wall is racist and bigoted?! Wait until the welfare programs stop for the illegals.
The money saved from not funding illegals in anyway, will dwarf the price of the Wall.
And do something about the anchor baby thing.
I disagree with that. Employers employing illegals is a huge thing that needs to be fixed along with the rest of Immigration. Nationwide E-Verify should be part of immigration reform. I have as much tolerance of those employers of illegals as I do of Illegals, probably less actually.
originally posted by: jonnywhite
I'm more open to the idea of a wall if they make it easier for people south of the border to enter here legally. Because:
1) Businesses want them
2) They're going to come anyway, even if a wall is there; and can die--just watch an episode of border wars to open your eyes
3) Broken families means more hardship; more poverty probably too
3) The economy won't suffer as much, bolstering payments for the wall
4) Legal immigration means there's a "paper trail"; it strengthens accountability; something important in our country
Durign the election I was one of those who said "A obtuse clown headed idea. But that's what you get with Trump."
Just a few things. I have to go.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: eletheia
Israel is an example of NOTHING that anyone with an opinion worth hearing, should aspire to be, or hold up as an example of proper conduct.
originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: eletheia
Israel is an example of NOTHING that anyone with an opinion worth hearing, should aspire to be, or hold up as an example of proper conduct.
Israel is the most Democratic country in the Middle East, whereas the rest are mostly run by Dictators and Islamo-Fascists. If people on this site had the choice of any middle eastern country they had to be forced to live in, I bet just about everyone would choose Israel. They're definitely the best of the middle east bunch.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: TruMcCarthy
That is absolute garbage.
There are people who understand these matters perfectly, having grown up there as part of Israeli society, who would tell you very different, that they do NOT support the protection of Israeli citizens, using methods which are by their very definition not only illegal, but unjustifiable also.
I would shut the lid, but then the muck breathing, emotionally retarded, intellectually stunted people who think that security "by any means necessary" is worth giving up morality and humanity for, like your good self and those who support near genocidal attitudes toward war, would be unable to get clean air, whenever it is they decide to surface for a lungful of something other than the steady diet of hate speech, intolerance and nonsense they are fed by their idols.
And no, you do not know about me. That is why you fail to understand, that I am not among those who has been fooled into believing that my government, or your government for that matter, gives a damn about its citizens, why you fail to understand that I am aware that our governments are the REASON for the security threats ranged against us, that it is THEIR paid agents, who wish us harm, that the "security effort" is nothing more than the method by which our governments seek to control us, which they excuse by way of a threat they paid for in the first damned place.
I do not wish to be protected. I wish to protect myself. I do not want to be secure. I only want to be free, and to have other people in other nations be freer, as a result of my lack of desire to be secure. I do not value my security. I value my liberty, and would do far more to protect that liberty, than I ever would do for my mere life, because unlike some people you meet, I understand that this is the trade off.
If you deserve to be free at all, you would rather be dead than anything else, and are prepared to become dead, far more readily than you are to accept even the slightest inconvenience or compromise in liberty. That is the cost of liberty, and its one I would rather pay, than be "protected" from, by the very people who are paying for the threats to my life to exist in the first place.
originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: M5xaz
Conversely, Justin TheTurd, the PM of Canada, by at first inviting illegals for "virtue signalling" reasons has caused a massive humanitarian disaster on the border, and is now forced to erect tent cities to house those same illegals, now crossing the border at an exponential rate.
Canada needs immigrants.
They have a target of something like 450,000 to 600,000 new immigrants per year.
They currently let in less than 300,000 immigrants per year.
The problem Canada has, is an aging population, requiring government welfare, all health care paid for by the government, using taxes from the working population. So, as the population ages, they need new younger workers to produce the revenues to pay for the aging population. If they don't find the people, they will have a financial crisis on hand in a few years.
So, all these immigrants are welcome.
Canada is also bigger than the US in land mass, but only has a fraction of the population of the USA.
Canada 30 Million, USA 300 Million people.
So, Canada has the space, it has the need, it has the will, but can't find the immigrants, because it's "COLD" up there.
All these immigrants from Haiti running to Canada are in for a shock.
The first time the Canadian cold hits you, it's actually fun.
Once you start working in it, day after day, you begin to dream of the sunshine back in the Caribbean.
So, let the immigrants come, as fast as they want, stay as long as they can stand it, because few there be that can handle the climate up there near the North Pole, when they have grown up for much of their lives in the hot sunny climate near the equator.
All brave souls that make it to the Canada border should be accepted.