President Trump Proclaims Sunday Sept 3rd 2017 as a National Day for Harvey-related Prayers.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
just so they can blame it on The Donald.

If history is any indicator, they are going to do that anyway. That goes for both sides.

a reply to: daskakik

You are entitled to your opinion, but your opinion doesn't = fact.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Those very same people want to claim "their opinion" about religion and God is fact and that everyone that does not agree with "their opinion' is "not intelligent/logical"...

These people don't seem to understand that their opinion doesn't = facts.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The only fact I am putting forward is that people who don't believe in god don't necessarily point these things out because they are blaming god, which is what you based your argument on.

Is there a god? Is it the god you believe in? Your opinion isn't fact either.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: buster2010

So it's God's will that 3.1 million children starve to death every year? You worship one sick puppy.

Amazing, even when President Trump just asks for a day of prayer for the victims and people who were affected in Texas and several left-wing ATS members get into a wild frenzy... BTW, asking for prayers for the victims in Texas is not going to stop the physical aid being sent to these people...

They are full of hate, plain and simple. Asking for a day of prayer, whether prayer does any good or not, keeps the issue in people's minds, and may persuade those that do believe to donate to the cause. For some people though, they will take anything, twist anything, to bash Trump. They would rather America suffer, just so they can blame it on The Donald.

How absurd. Pointing out that it is more important to provide actual help to the hurricane and flood victims is not "hate" by any stretch of the imagination. That's merely the standard rhetoric for any commentary that doesn't bow and scrape whenever anything "religious" is concerned.

As far as the poor opinions of Mr. Trump in evidence here, that's what the man has earned. Some choose to ignore his hateful incompetence, others do not.

The obscene religious performances that Trump does to appeal to his Evangelical base, when everyone that knows him knows that he has NEVER been a religious person are bad enough, but to see people of faith being duped by such chicanery motivates some to attempt to get them to see the obvious.

That said, Presidents calling for "National Days of Prayer" is merely standard PR tactics. No one should be that surprised that Trump did it. After all the attacks on rationality and scientific understanding that we've seen from this Administration though, some of you who are so sensitive to personal beliefs might try to understand that this action is the equivalent to a slap in the face to some of us. That doesn't keep some of you from getting away with saying others of us are "full of hate" that's just another example of the double-standards regarding religion in this society.

Some of you people need jesus in your lives.

How absurd. Pointing out that it is more important to provide actual help to the hurricane and flood victims is not "hate" by any stretch of the imagination. That's merely the standard rhetoric for any commentary that doesn't bow and scrape whenever anything "religious" is concerned.

It isn't absurd, re-read the whole thread, its actually pretty sad. There isn't any point to mention "actually helping people" when that is exactly what is happening NOW, beyond this announcement, your mistake? its Texans. No rhetoric involved.

As far as the poor opinions of Mr. Trump in evidence here, that's what the man has earned. Some choose to ignore his hateful incompetence, others do not.

No, thats the idiot partisan in you, your hateful ignorance is in full display. Pretty hyppcritical, when, as an American, you support your President. Not surprised to hear this from an anti-American such as yourself. Leftist liberals, what you expect, huh?

The obscene religious performances that Trump does to appeal to his Evangelical base, when everyone that knows him knows that he has NEVER been a religious person are bad enough, but to see people of faith being duped by such chicanery motivates some to attempt to get them to see the obvious.

Prove it. Show me where everyone "that knows him knows that he has NEVER been a religious person". How do you figure they are getting duped? What evidence do you have to prove this claim? This is going to be good.

That said, Presidents calling for "National Days of Prayer" is merely standard PR tactics. No one should be that surprised that Trump did it. After all the attacks on rationality and scientific understanding that we've seen from this Administration though, some of you who are so sensitive to personal beliefs might try to understand that this action is the equivalent to a slap in the face to some of us. That doesn't keep some of you from getting away with saying others of us are "full of hate" that's just another example of the double-standards regarding religion in this society.

Ah, making assumptions based off your partisan lens is no surprise to anyone on the boards. No wonder your so hateful in regards to this topic.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: buster2010

So it's God's will that 3.1 million children starve to death every year? You worship one sick puppy.

Amazing, even when President Trump just asks for a day of prayer for the victims and people who were affected in Texas and several left-wing ATS members get into a wild frenzy... BTW, asking for prayers for the victims in Texas is not going to stop the physical aid being sent to these people...

They are full of hate, plain and simple. Asking for a day of prayer, whether prayer does any good or not, keeps the issue in people's minds, and may persuade those that do believe to donate to the cause. For some people though, they will take anything, twist anything, to bash Trump. They would rather America suffer, just so they can blame it on The Donald.

Of course, did you expect anything different?

When leftist watch fake news, did you really expect them to NOT be influence by that trash? establishment news is all about the twist and slander, is it really a surprise to see them do it here?
If they want to be hateful sheeps, by all means, probably another reason why they lost the election, as well as power in government.

originally posted by: buster2010
It's not the governments place to promote religion. He should have just made it a day of memory.

What law did Trump enact that establishes a specific religion?

(By the way, I don't agree with creating a Day of Prayer for this event either. Likely for different reasons.)

a reply to: Arnie123

It is absurd. You're giving your opinion; I gave mine.

It's funny, you cite me for being an "idiot partisan" while you're making a purely partisan statement. And of course, typical irrational nonsense because you don't agree with me.

Newsflash: it's not unAmerican to disagree with the President ... or with you.

“Has Trump found religion in the Oval Office?” a headline asked. The answer from several of Trump’s biographers was no. “Donald has never been a spiritually or religiously serious person,” Timothy O’Brien, author of “TrumpNation: The Art of Being Donald,” told Politico.

LA Times

Gwenda Blair, author of “The Trumps: Three Generations of Builders and a President,” said: “He's a transactional guy with humans, and it's no different with God — it's all about whatever is to his advantage with regard to his supporters, and referencing God is exactly and only that.”

Poitico

Two of many ... good on you for pointing out my slight hyperbole. I can't prove that "everyone" says "anything" of course.

Trump is also a witness to his lack of religious beliefs ... he doesn't ask God's forgiveness because he doesn't make mistakes, he thinks the Holy Communion is a "little cracker and a little wine." etc. etc.

Keep blathering hypocritically on about partisanship, while you're being blatantly partisan ... really does a lot for the credibility of your argument.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: bknapple32
I'm curious why the prayers didn't stop the hurricane to begin with?

Everything that happens on Earth and in the cosmos is God's will. Some prayers aren't answered because they are contrary to what God has planned.

Let me get this straight.

God will ignore your prayers if it is contrary to what he has planned.

If your prayers match what he has already planned, they are redundant.

So what's the point?

Send aid instead. It makes logical sense.

originally posted by: Konduit
You'd be surprised how much a situation can change when a collective group of people focus their attention on it.

Like disaster relief organisations?

Or like shamen?

Sunday, September 3, 2017

Since North Korea has significantly escalated the threat of war ( www.bbc.com... ), perhaps this "Day of Prayer" should include all of mankind.

originally posted by: carewemust
Sunday, September 3, 2017

Since North Korea has significantly escalated the threat of war ( www.bbc.com... ), perhaps this "Day of Prayer" should include all of mankind.

Jehovah and the Trinity according to Pence.

originally posted by: Arnie123
Some of you people need jesus in your lives.

Maybe they should start smaller and work their way up. Start to like the person you see in the mirror first.

a reply to: introvert

To quote a scene from Criminal Minds, Agent Jason Gideon:
"After Hurricane Katrina, I read some essays by religious scholars. One writer said God was punishing America for its immorality; New Orleans was a wicked city, like Sodom and Gomorrah. Another one, a priest from New Orleans, he thought the hurricane was proof of God's love, 'cause the levees didn't break until after the storm was over. If they'd broken sooner, thousands would've died. So... I guess the answer to your question depends on whether or not you think you have something to be punished for."

So...

Who are people supposed to pray to?

The God that created Harvey?

**Or**

The God that will fix the damage the other God caused?

And if they're the same, it reminds me of how abuse victims behave. Victims of abuse sometimes give excuses for their abuser, and even praise them after the abuse (they deserved it, they didn't really mean it, they're really a good person...ect).

So....why would you pray to the God that created Harvey, only to turn around and ask for relief from the storm that same God caused?

Isn't that like asking an arsonist who burned your house down to rebuild it?

What's the deal?

We find ourselves tenants of a burning building and inheritors of a long term lease to said building.
Building was not always on fire, but here we are.
On all floors are various occupants with various concepts of ownership or stewardship of the building.
Occupants are divided over value of the building, responsibility for the building, interest in the building, ownership of the building.
Some swear blind it's been an abandoned building the whole time and no-one has any legal claim over it.
Some swear blind they have seen and witnessed a landlord within the building.
Some will even swear blind the landlord has addressed specific problems within the building relating to their individuals apartments. They tell others about this.
Some think there is a landlord because others say they have seen him, but have no personal contact.
Some are starting fires and claiming it's the landlords job to put the fires out if the building is his.
Some are starting fires just to prove there is no landlord, because if there was, he'd come and put the fires out.
Some are putting the fires out to convince the landlord they care about the building.
Some are putting fires out because there is no landlord, and if they don't put the fires out, no-one else will.
Some are convinced there is no fire.
Some are convinced the fire cannot be extinguished no matter what they do.
Every apartment has a phone. Attitude determines the emphasis we give it, the desire to use it, the combinations of numbers we try. Wisdom determines our actions to the responses we get from the numbers we dial, be they random or deliberate.

I prayed earlier for the waters to recede. Looks like it's working.

So far not even a text or post card thanking me. Oh well....

I'm currently working on a ritual to repair all the damage....

originally posted by: Kromlech
Remember when celebrities, MTV, and the left in general came together for Katrina victims? Donating everything, telethons, etc.?

And... where are they now? Where are their donations, fundraisers, telethons, and prayer vigils? All we get from THEM right now is, "GOD KILLED ALL THE TRUMP VOTERS, YAY!"

Well, let's see here...

www.foxnews.com...
www.usatoday.com...
www.msnbc.com...
www.usatoday.com... 01/

Should I continue? There are quite a few sports stars that donated money, supplies, as well as physically going to Houston to help.

You're not serving anyone by continuing the rhetoric slamming liberals when a simple google search would have proven your assertions false.