Nurse forcibly arrested for not allowing cop to draw blood of unconscious patient(Video)

wow!

I normally find myself arguing on the side of law enforcement. This time though if that officer who made the arrest still has a job come next week, there is something very, very wrong happening here.



Judging by the tone of this news conference, that officer is toast which would be a good thing.

a reply to: stormcell

Damnit I clicked through 27 damn pages of celebrity cars to see Obama's daughters "disgusting new car" from one of your links and it never even came up. I am so mad. I really need to know what her first car is now. It is imperative to my evening.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Judging by the tone of this news conference, that officer is toast which would be a good thing.

Sure but what you want to bet he will be hired on by another agency?

a reply to: dreamingawake

i live here, the whole thing is sketchy. the person they were trying to get the blood from was a reserve officer/interstate truck driver, driving a load of 'sand'. he was hit in a head on collision by a truck that was fleeing the police in the opposite direction, but suddenly jumps across the median to slam into this truck full of sand. the officer who was demanding blood said he was told to do so by his superiors, and to not take no for an answer. this officer also was apparently "serving in a limited capacity at the time". the nurse also said he claimed he was asking for the blood to "protect" the truck driver. the driver of the fleeing truck was also from the "bad neighborhood/suburb" of salt lake county. ie the only area with gangs.

not saying all these points are necessarily connected but it seems kind of fishy. Utah has an 'opiod epidemic' rn similar to whats happening in a lot of places in the us, also similarly being made worse by the flow of Fentanyl, causing daily overdoses. isnt it possible these two part time cops (the sand-trucker and the blood guy) were in on the same "in", using their credentials to sneak drugs across state lines, from seculded, rural areas of idaho/wyoming? maybe something was found in the sand which is what required the blood guy to be sent/on orders from Logan (northern town, near interstate to idaho) to salt lake to get blood samples whatever it takes.

local news sources:

idahostatejournal.com...

www.ksl.com...

www.sltrib.com...

www.eastidahonews.com...

(on the fleeing truck driver, tho i think it less likely, it could be that the trucker was his target all along. like, some sort of spurned drug deal. not just because he was from the sketchy part of town, but if you watch the video, he seems to have open roads in front of him but suddenly jumps across the median to run head on into much denser traffic. and if hes fleeing the cops theres probably a reason he thinks its worth trying to outrun them.)

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Lurker1
The problem is that public servants like nurses, teachers, and police officers, have to put up with the good and the worst of us, are forced to work ridiculous hours, and are severely underpaid. This leads to a shortage of staff which unusually ends up with the gaps being filled with just a warm body.

Too often the gap fillers are poor choices or down right unfit for the job. They are often trouble makers not just for the public but for the rest of their team as well, but they are tolerated by the other members of the team because they feel their backs are against a wall.

Getting rid of a bad apple is not always as easy as it sounds.

I worked LE for 30 years. I got three corrupt cops fired in separate incidents. One was f'ing crazy.

It can be done. You have to have the balls to do it though.

Fire this jerk and sue the department.

The only way to ensure their officers will follow the law is to make the department have to pay out of their budget. Make the department squeal.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
wow!

I normally find myself arguing on the side of law enforcement. This time though if that officer who made the arrest still has a job come next week, there is something very, very wrong happening here.

Judging by the tone of this news conference, that officer is toast which would be a good thing.

He's absolutely correct when he talks about working so closely with health care professionals and that if something happens to a police officer their life is in the hands of those said health care professionals. This is part of why I was so astonished that this cop was so aggressive, ignorant and frankly outrageous. Law enforcement is usually more respectful when they are working with health care professionals and I feel that this officers behavior is just one more indication of over arching and implicit flaws in training and culture in law enforcement.

originally posted by: nastynate
a reply to: dreamingawake

i live here, the whole thing is sketchy. the person they were trying to get the blood from was a reserve officer/interstate truck driver, driving a load of 'sand'. he was hit in a head on collision by a truck that was fleeing the police in the opposite direction, but suddenly jumps across the median to slam into this truck full of sand. the officer who was demanding blood said he was told to do so by his superiors, and to not take no for an answer. this officer also was apparently "serving in a limited capacity at the time". the nurse also said he claimed he was asking for the blood to "protect" the truck driver. the driver of the fleeing truck was also from the "bad neighborhood/suburb" of salt lake county. ie the only area with gangs.

not saying all these points are necessarily connected but it seems kind of fishy. Utah has an 'opiod epidemic' rn similar to whats happening in a lot of places in the us, also similarly being made worse by the flow of Fentanyl, causing daily overdoses. isnt it possible these two part time cops (the sand-trucker and the blood guy) were in on the same "in", using their credentials to sneak drugs across state lines, from seculded, rural areas of idaho/wyoming? maybe something was found in the sand which is what required the blood guy to be sent/on orders from Logan (northern town, near interstate to idaho) to salt lake to get blood samples whatever it takes.

local news sources:

idahostatejournal.com...

www.ksl.com...

www.sltrib.com...

www.eastidahonews.com...

(on the fleeing truck driver, tho i think it less likely, it could be that the trucker was his target all along. like, some sort of spurned drug deal. not just because he was from the sketchy part of town, but if you watch the video, he seems to have open roads in front of him but suddenly jumps across the median to run head on into much denser traffic. and if hes fleeing the cops theres probably a reason he thinks its worth trying to outrun them.)

That is astonishing that you could imagine all of that from this. I can't imagine what else must be going through your head on a daily basis. I am not even trying to be mean or make fun, I am seriously impressed with your creativity.

For the record though, you could fit enough Fentanyl to kill the entire state in a Mason jar. You certainly wouldn't need dump trucks full of sand to smuggle it. A shoe, pocket, or even a rectal cavity would smuggle enough to kill half the state. I cigarette cellophane full could probably kill all the actual addicts. It is measured in micrograms, not milligrams.

Yeah that was a bit hyperbolic, but not too far off honestly.

a reply to: redhorse

I'd imagine the officer who did the arrest is already realizing he will need a new job. The one who was more controlled while talking to the nurse is not exactly innocent though and should have chosen his battle more carefully. There comes a point where when an officer is out of control, their fellow officers need to side against them.

It does not speak to law enforcement as a whole and I'd not go that far. To do so would not be honest IMO. I'd bet the one who caused this has few if any friends wearing a badge now. He won't be very welcome at the coffee pot.

originally posted by: redhorse

originally posted by: Blaine91555
wow!

I normally find myself arguing on the side of law enforcement. This time though if that officer who made the arrest still has a job come next week, there is something very, very wrong happening here.

Judging by the tone of this news conference, that officer is toast which would be a good thing.

He's absolutely correct when he talks about working so closely with health care professionals and that if something happens to a police officer their life is in the hands of those said health care professionals. This is part of why I was so astonished that this cop was so aggressive, ignorant and frankly outrageous. Law enforcement is usually more respectful when they are working with health care professionals and I feel that this officers behavior is just one more indication of over arching and implicit flaws in training and culture in law enforcement.

I agree. We work very closely with health care providers, EMTs, Fire, tow truck drivers.

You don't treat your team this way.

There are 2 separate rallies this weekend (one each day) in SLC, Utah in support of this nurse, a petition to sign to get justice for this nurse at change. org and now a fan page to show solidarity and support for her.
The offending officer has been relieved of his ability to draw blood as an officer which is nowhere near adequate punishment but, at least, her hospital administrators commended her behavior.

a reply to: nastynate

Chemicals are detectable in the urine for a lot longer time than in the blood. The blood is just a way for the lab to have a more accurate way of determining when the chemical entered the body.

They do this by comparing the amount of the chemical in the blood in comparison to how much has metabolized in the urine.

If they are just looking for the presence of a chemical, a urine collection is likely to be your best bet.

It makes his actions even more questionable. If the patient came in unconsciousness or impaired, the hospital would have already collected blood. It would be extremely necessary for them in order to accurately treat the patient.

If they believed the blood was that important they should have obtained an electronic warrant for it. The blood was still in the hospital. It nor the patient wasn't going anywhere.

The detective was either grossly ignorant or he was just an egotistical ass. My money is on the later.

a reply to: sputniksteve
I agree that a mason jar of Fentanyl would do a lot of damage but I think you meant Carfentanil.

Carfentanil is the one that they use for animals and is better known as an elephant tranquilizer.

a reply to: nastynate

Thanks for your reply I am not in Idaho anymore but this came up in my news feed. Gonna look into this.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Nope, I meant regular Fentanyl. Carfentanil is out of the question for any regular user of anything let alone someone without an industrial size habit, we are talking GDP of small nations habit. Anyone saying that it is being sold or used as a cutting agent is lying or ignorant. Not trying to get off topic here just pointing out that Nastynate has been watching too much T.V.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Exactly...

It's far from unheard of.

It truly surprises me how many people even on conspiracy oriented sites lock up completely with cognitive dissonance at being confronted with real conspiracies and etc

originally posted by: dreamingawake
Nurse forcibly arrested for not allowing cop to draw blood of unconscious patient (VIDEO)

This video is proof that whenever you see a cop you should "walk away."

She was just dumb, trying to tell a cop the rules of her hospital.

She should have said to the cop, "Let me put you on to my supervisor," and walk away from him.

Never argue with a cop. Never try to tell a cop about any "rules."

a reply to: dreamingawake

That detective is an a$$hole. He has no reason for arresting that nurse, and the way he twisted her arm... That could damage her shoulder. There are people who have been arrested like that and have received a shoulder injury that does not allow them to raise their arm above their shoulder. That nurse, and the hospital should sue that detective. Apparently the detective didn't like it that the nurse was right, and that the hospital administration was telling the detective he couldn't do that. This is not representative of all cops, or all detectives, but this should be grounds for firing that detective and even sending him to jail for abusing his authority.

a reply to: AMPTAH
Unfortunately, she didn't have a choice. Her job requires her to provide him the rules if he appears to be unaware of what those rules are. Hospital administrators are not always located in close proximity and may not even be on premises. She did the only thing she could do, she contacted the administrator by phone and placed them on speakerphone.

If she did not make the officer aware of policy, he could have feigned ignorance. And it was made clear that the administrator was on their way to the ER. He stated that the nurse could wait in the police car, which again was just plain wrong. She had told him she was not the one that could give permission to go against policy.

The administrator was the one that said he was wrong. His beef should have been with the administrator, and he still had to wait for the administrator to arrive, how did cuffing the nurse and placing her in the car change any of that?

I hope they include in the charges that he may have put a lot of people in danger by the illegal removal and false imprisonment of a critical member of the hospital staff.

a reply to: AMPTAH
Yeah just bow down,and take it..She was in the right.We need more people like Her to stand up to this authoritarian BS.Thankfully reading all the posts in this thread you're in the minority with that mindset..