Nurse forcibly arrested for not allowing cop to draw blood of unconscious patient(Video)

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: Subsonic
As far as I'm concerned that cop is kidnapping her, he's completely outside the bounds of the law. The other witnesses there should have physically restrained him, made a citizens arrest, and charged him with assault and attempted kidnapping.

Great idea! Now tell me what you're supposed to do about all of the other "good cops" there watching this happen?

Yeah, no one had the balls to tell him to "F" off.

a reply to: paraphi
They get plenty of training.

Our area gives training before they graduate academy. They have training classes at least monthly, many of them mandatory. We have drills, and they do mini classes in the squad rooms. We distribute point cards as a tool for the inexperienced and a reminder for the experienced.

They get plenty of training were I live, but you can't stop a jackass from being a jackass.

Most officers are regular decent people. A small number are amazing, and a small number are unfit.

The decent cops need to stop covering for the bad ones and they need to be removed. It is the only way this is ever going to stop.

a reply to: Lurker1

You obviously aren't familiar with Utah and what would have happened should they have done as you said...

It's easy to talk big and bad for you, you're not the one who would've been almost certain to lose their job, lose their nursing or other license in the state of Utah if not entirely, get their head stomped, be arrested, likely charged and convicted of a felony, never be employable in the medical industry again, lose the rigjt to vote, lose the right to own firearms, lose everything financially, and likely do at least 90 days in jail!

... All to say F*** off to the "other cops"

Yes, what cowards....

GMAFB GROW UP GET A CLUE and until you do all that.... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STFU!!!



Seriously, all you guys acting big bad and tough in here where there's no consequences very likely to in one instant completely erase everything they've worked for their entire lives!...

a reply to: roguetechie

I think it was meant as why the other cops didnt step in and tell the hothead cop he was outof line.

originally posted by: roguetechie
a reply to: Lurker1

You obviously aren't familiar with Utah and what would have happened should they have done as you said...

It's easy to talk big and bad for you, you're not the one who would've been almost certain to lose their job, lose their nursing or other license in the state of Utah if not entirely, get their head stomped, be arrested, likely charged and convicted of a felony, never be employable in the medical industry again, lose the rigjt to vote, lose the right to own firearms, lose everything financially, and likely do at least 90 days in jail!

... All to say F*** off to the "other cops"

Yes, what cowards....

GMAFB GROW UP GET A CLUE and until you do all that.... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STFU!!!

Seriously, all you guys acting big bad and tough in here where there's no consequences very likely to in one instant completely erase everything they've worked for their entire lives!...

I'm a retired LEO, Einstein.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: alphabetaone

Well what if a kid in the next room gets shot?

Then that cops life is over. Now he gets to spend life with the same people he put away. Justice.

Sure as a lifelong grappler martial artist I could restrain the cop especially one that out of shape but I would worry about innocent people getting shot. I may start speaking up loudly to direct his attention to me while the security comes. They may not want to get involved with the badge though. I don't know their protocol.

It's not as though I don't understand what you're saying, I promise I do. I also am not disagreeing with you on any one point merely suggesting that to curb oppression (no matter where it comes from) one has to be willing to stare it down even in the face of certain loss....history has proven that ignoring it emboldens it and gives rise to further oppression. Somewhere along the line, this cop has been lead to believe that he can act with impunity, where do you think that came from?

LOL, the cop's life is over?

No, the bodycam footage would never have seen the light of day, any hospital surveillance would disappear, and the cops would have circled the wagons to cover up their wrong-doing.

Confiscated all cell phones, deleted, melted or magnetized their body cams and swear they were in fear for their lives when "assaulted" by the entire staff.

Sorry, that is the truth.

a reply to: infolurker

Sadly ive seen cops do just that to protect one of their own that screwed up.

Seen lapd threaten to arrest witnesses if their story didnt follow the police lie exonerating the cop.

Seen at the same instance cops threaten the news reporters on the scene with arrest although they werent in the way.

Same instance had 200 witnessrs because it was a car accident that was the cops fault during happy hour on a major thoroughfare and everybody from lawyers to doctors to 20 somethings were on the patios after work getting dinner or a drink.

It was obvious the cops were covering. The jaws of life were brought into extract the cop and the other vehicles passangers.

Amazingly the same news reporters who were there and knew the cops were being corrupt aired the official story the next day as the cops bing 100 percent innocent. Pretty sure thats illegal but it happens every day. At least it does with the lapd.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Rent a cop vs real cop..real cop going to win every time..who want's to get shot? ..they on occasion shoot people for less.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Then that cops life is over. Now he gets to spend life with the same people he put away

Call me cynical but do you think the cop would actually get convicted? I highly doubt it. The police get alot of leeway or free passes..because they deserve to go home, and the rest of us can go to to jail for the same act.

a reply to: vonclod
I am interested to how this is going to play out.

He can't plead ignorant. The rules and regulations were right in front of his face.

He was a detective. He knew that forcing the staff to go against the law was not just illegal, it was assault and harassment. He has to also know that that any information obtained in an unlawful manner would be inadmissible in court, so there is no logic to his behavior, outside of a bruised ego and his being a complete jackass.

a reply to: dreamingawake

The hospital should end the agreement immediately.

originally posted by: hitparader
a reply to: dreamingawake

The hospital should end the agreement immediately.

No, they shouldn't. There's a good reason for it.

Who among you is surprised by this? This is the new normal in the USA and any of you who don't believe it are deluded.

I haven't gone through all the pages in this thread but I suspect if they haven't yet, the usual suspects on these forums will be out in force to somehow defend the indefensible.

Isn't it cute how the 'authorities' always say how they recognize this sort of thing as an opportunity for better training or some similar bullsht line, because apparently hiring assholes who think this behavior is acceptable and also not already having trained them that this is the exact opposite of how to be a good cop apparently hadn't ever occurred to them before.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

He is in trouble for sure, but the punishment might just be a paid vacation, if he is fired(doubtful) he will be hired by another LE agency I'm sure.
If you think about it..this has probably been his standard operating procedure since day 1..he knew exactly what he was doing.
I wonder what would of happened if there were no camera's?

originally posted by: Lurker1


He's a prick. That's what's going on.

He's an oldish prick, that's what bothers me too. I am much older than he, while I still respect people, never thought any other way, I understand people are not all the same, but why many crave power, and go on to abuse it, so often on really ordinary folks, I'll never understand.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Lurker1


He's a prick. That's what's going on.

He's an oldish prick, that's what bothers me too. I am much older than he, while I still respect people, never thought any other way, I understand people are not all the same, but why many crave power, and go on to abuse it, so often on really ordinary folks, I'll never understand.

I worked with a whole department of them. I quit after six months and went to another municipality.

I did not want to work with them. They were accidents waiting to happen.

originally posted by: Lurker1

originally posted by: hitparader
a reply to: dreamingawake

The hospital should end the agreement immediately.

No, they shouldn't. There's a good reason for it.

Absolutely right, I agree. There's no good reason (and in fact it's detrimental) for severing the agreement. Even if they could, which is doubtful as I'm certain it's a mandate far above all their pay grades.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
The gray haired officer really pisses me off. He makes some statement about "preventing me from enforcing MY law". What the ______? My law? What a jackwit!

Both these officers need to hung out to dry. I would've shot both up with demerol, put them in restraints and taken them to the psyche ward as a public danger.

There have been a trail of similar and related cases going back nearly a decade:

2009
www.promises.com...
2012
www.infowars.com...
2013
www.npr.org...
2014
gawker.com...

They just won't learn. Each time that police department will be hit by a $1million lawsuit payout.

a reply to: Lurker1
The problem is that public servants like nurses, teachers, and police officers, have to put up with the good and the worst of us, are forced to work ridiculous hours, and are severely underpaid. This leads to a shortage of staff which unusually ends up with the gaps being filled with just a warm body.

Too often the gap fillers are poor choices or down right unfit for the job. They are often trouble makers not just for the public but for the rest of their team as well, but they are tolerated by the other members of the team because they feel their backs are against a wall.

Getting rid of a bad apple is not always as easy as it sounds.

a reply to: dreamingawake


This is sickening, and I'm pretty sure he was too rough with her also, which can carry stiffer penalties because she is medical staff. I'd get a lawyer and sue his ass!