ALERT! Breitbart Cites Cernovich! President Trump Under 'House Arrest!'

a reply to: c2oden

Sure, why not? I'll go with that.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens
a reply to: theantediluvian

I realize it's late in this thread and the sentiment has already been shared, but good stuff OP. That was a classic read all the way through. This is like something from the old "Weekly World News". Cant make it up. Thanks for the chuckles.

Sometimes they're not that far off

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

You're far too kind. With material like this, the OPs all but write themselves!

Checking back in on this a few days later and no major MSM outlet has picked this up yet. CNN, msnbc, ABC, Fox.. nobody except Share Blue, Brietbart, some tabloid level sites and probably Alex Jones. Didn't see himself but I assume he was mentioned it.

I'm going with a leak being plugged scenario until someone major picks up the story.

a reply to: PlasticWizard

I'm going with a leak being plugged scenario until someone major picks up the story.

He's tweeting about visiting Texas today. He might make a run for it.

The frothing liberals won't stop till We have a civil war.

originally posted by: jkm1864
The frothing liberals won't stop till We have a civil war.

Yet, the only ones threatening "civil war" are more often than not "conservatives."

Go figure.

a reply to: Gryphon66

People aren't responsible for anything anymore. It's always the blameless pointing those fingers or waving the broad brushes.

Islamic State are victims of the West. The West is a victim of Muslim hordes. The Left always attacks the tolerant Right. The Right blames everything they dislike on the Left. The player blames the referee. The thief blames his upbringing.

Do you think irony is finally dead? Burned alive alongside responsibility.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Gryphon66

People aren't responsible for anything anymore. It's always the blameless pointing those fingers or waving the broad brushes.

Islamic State are victims of the West. The West is a victim of Muslim hordes. The Left always attacks the tolerant Right. The Right blames everything they dislike on the Left. The player blames the referee. The thief blames his upbringing.

Do you think irony is finally dead? Burned alive alongside responsibility.

The irony I see is that, at least in America, millions of people of good will get trapped in the ridiculous illusions of "right vs. left" or "the West vs. the Muslims" or "religious faith vs. scientific understanding."

Speaking personally, I fall into the delusion even as I'm trying to claw my way out of it. The more I try not to even use the vocabulary of division ... the more I do it.

The classic tactics used to divide and conquer are time tested and have only been magnified by modern technology.

a reply to: Gryphon66

We have it a bit in the UK too. Our print media keeps it alive despite being almost completely right-leaning. We've got 2-3 left-leaning papers and a dozen or more right-leaning with one moderate paper.

Otherwise, yes. It's frequently amazing how some engage so thoroughly in this extremist Left/Right bar fight. It wouldn't be as astonishing if the comments in general weren't so blatantly partisan as to have zero intellectual value and make the person look so stupid. Even the MMA websites have partisan rhetoric in the comments sections. Never saw them before 2016.

FWIW I think you do OK. It's easy to forget how there are members (right and left) who can debate and disagree using their brains.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Gryphon66

We have it a bit in the UK too. Our print media keeps it alive despite being almost completely right-leaning. We've got 2-3 left-leaning papers and a dozen or more right-leaning with one moderate paper.

Otherwise, yes. It's frequently amazing how some engage so thoroughly in this extremist Left/Right bar fight. It wouldn't be as astonishing if the comments in general weren't so blatantly partisan as to have zero intellectual value and make the person look so stupid. Even the MMA websites have partisan rhetoric in the comments sections. Never saw them before 2016.

FWIW I think you do OK. It's easy to forget how there are members (right and left) who can debate and disagree using their brains.

I try to deal ONLY with facts and verifiable evidence OR I state clearly that I'm sharing my opinion. The two issues with that are a) I try but very often fail and b) what are facts at this point? The very media sources that report on most of these topics are part and parcel of the real issues.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Classic! I should do some research to see if there are any Breitbart contributors who used to write for WWW.
I would always ask my mom if we could get a copy when we were checking out from the grocery store and the answer was always "My God, no". I wish the unite the rights' moms would step in occasionally.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The very media sources that report on most of these topics are part and parcel of the real issues.

I'm very fortunate to have spent some of my time at uni studying history (mostly forgotten now). Martin Marprelate papers and the civil disobedience of pamphleteers and their audience in the 17th Century. Mayhew's London and the debates between pro-Slavers and Abolitionists. We're just living through a period of tumult in the same way they did back then. These times and events will (I feel sure) come to define a period of history in my estimation.

The troublesome element imo is wondering how the outcomes will effect the future. After all we're social creatures and media is how we communicate. All these debates are, at heart, about the value and dissemination of information between people and groups. Profound really. Some of the pamphleteers abused the medium and spread lies and chaos (like cheap news sites) and others indirectly led to the US Constitution. Throughout it all, various powers sought to control and suppress and mislead.

I hope whatever Zeigeisty BS we're enduring right now resolves itself and we're still left with a semblance of free press and sensibly open media.

a reply to: Kandinsky

My undergraduate studies were in history and English. We would find similar examples in the oft-misdescribed halcyon days of the late 18th century in America. Folks in general really don't understand the ultimate compromises that went into our Constitution, nor the bitter enmity that arose for example in the Alien and Sedition Acts of Adam's Presidency.

Nor, of course, how those compromises held us together for less than a century before they boiled over into open war.

Excellent point about the cyclic nature of historical periods. Americans are basically refighting the formation of our country and our first major internal conflict. People also forget that the same issues bubbled up during the early Administration of FDR.

We've survived a lot. I had hoped that the rise of instantaneous communication and access to massive amounts of recorded history would support and move forward the overall "critical thinking" of our cultures and species.

I admit, I have some dark days of late on that score. Still, stiff upper lip, always advancing.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Haha. Similar perspectives

History indicates this will all blow over...or boil over. Propaganda wars like our current one have usually foreshadowed cultural earthquakes like revolutions, civil wars and especially the events that led to 1930s Europe. I certainly hope it's not the case this time.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Back to the OP ... this actually presents me with quite a quandary. Let's assume, for the moment, that Generals Kelly and Mattis have staged a "coup." I.e. they have convinced President Trump to stay out of policy statements and decisions, they have excised the extremist nutjobs, criminals and such from the White House, and they are now setting about to conduct the business of the country with military style efficiency and lack of partisanship.

Am I okay with that if it's true? Is that different, at least in essence, from what we had under GW Bush? (that I would argue was under the sway of Rummy and Cheney for at least the first term.)

The odd thing is, as an entertainer, I didn't mind Trump ... I found him funny. If he could just move his message toward the middle a bit (acknowledging that he's the President of the United States, not the mouthpiece of a small segment we call his "Base.") he can give his speeches and scowl at the cameras all he wants.

He can go back to being a reality star and let those who have the ability run the country?

I can't say if I'm okay with that or not.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I wonder how long it will take until the militia arrives to his rescue? Like with that pizza place...?

a reply to: Gryphon66

For starters, I don't believe the narrative of Trump as some political prisoner. I'll concede it ties in with some of the popular views of him as a martyr and its source likes to amplify the image. Beyond that aspect, isn't it likely to be hyperbole wedded to propaganda?

He might well have had his internet access reduced as part of a parental-style intervention. It's not difficult to imagine him being chastised and advised by Mattis who's very much an adult alpha male with ingrained leadership qualities. It's even probable that someone has gotten through to Trump about consequences, due process and proper channels. Yeah, all three of these things probably seem yugely pointless to the POTUS, but they exist by necessity. Imagine if Mattis et al have finally impressed upon Trump to stop dictating policy in under 140 characters? That's good for everyone.

they are now setting about to conduct the business of the country with military style efficiency and lack of partisanship.

Am I okay with that if it's true?

The awful beauty of elections is you get what the majority wants. Trump won and gets to be POTUS no matter who else is better or more likely to do a better job of it. The Brietbart scenario might be better for the States in general, but it's anti-Constitutional isn't it?

I'm waiting for someone with the ethical credentials and charisma to be a benign dictator. We're ill-informed as a nation, our political choices are like the shell game and we're all so bloody human and suggestible! Benign dictator and down with the ballots.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Perfect summation.

I think it would be better in the short-term for the nation and the world for men like Kelly and Mattis to be "in charge" ... but that's a subversion of the Constitution and American law.

Bang on.

I argued in a high-school essay for a constitutional monarchy with reserved right to regicide.

It was childish and immature certainly ... but there are days ...

a reply to: Gryphon66

It's interesting enough how both of those figures attract respect from many sides of the political compass. Strong, ethical and seasoned in diplomacy. Have we forgotten that decisions can be made through clear reasoning rather than political bias or pandering to a Party?

A constitutional monarchy rofl. You'll be lynched on the boards when that gets out