North Korea Has Apparently Launched A Missile Over Japan

originally posted by: Olivine

originally posted by: Aazadan
SK doesn't want to solve this situation with military when that will kill 70% of their population.

They may not want to, but Seoul may be feeling pressured to.

Moon orders show of 'overwhelming' force against N. Korean provocation

Yonhap

Four South Korean F-15K fighter jets staged a live-bombing drill against North Korea's leadership on Tuesday in response to its latest ballistic missile launch, the Air Force announced. The aircraft dropped eight MK-84 bombs, each weighing about a ton, at a simulated target at the Pilseung Range in the eastern province of Gangwon.

Yonhapnews (again)

Lots of muscle flexing...


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@ Chromium51 Good to read, friend.

I'm confused by your statement

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Aazadan

No it's not. If it was above the space line, which it was going by those numbers, then it never entered Japanese airspace.

I wasn't aware it was that high. In that case, I'm even more sure that no one will be doing anything about this.

a reply to: Pilgrum

With Kim flexing his missiles over Japan is it possible, China not reeling him back be part of a way to dig at Japan over Taiwan? They've always been irked over it, and while not causing Kim to act the fool, it IS to their advantage.

Somehow I see China tsk-taking and promising to get Kim under control if Japan is open to talks about repatriating Taiwan.

We keep assuming Kim got away from China to go rogue, but what if we misread that?

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: dianajune
According to YonHap, PM Abe of Japan and President Trump held an urgent discussion by phone about today's missile launch.

Source

There is no article at this link. Just a one-line mention. At the top of the page it also says that SK and the US will bring this up before the UN Security Council.

Bringing it before the UN Security Council doesn't mean much. Russia is going to veto anything, and even if they don't, it's highly unlikely that action will be authorized. The UN is rather toothless, and as I said before... SK doesn't want to solve this situation with military when that will kill 70% of their population.

Today's launch was provocative, and now they're saying that NK is about to conduct another nuke test. I agree that the UN is toothless, but I am concerned that the U.S. is as well, given that nothing but sanctions have been used thus far.

The last thing we need at this time (or any other for that matter, but especially now) is war at the same time as Hurricane Harvey and its aftermath. Perhaps this is why Kim ordered the launch and upcoming nuke test?

And what rational actions do you want the US to take? Military is out, there's nothing left to sanction, there's no diplomatic ties to pressure, and they have no economy to attack.

Military, diplomatic, and economic are the three ways the US can exert force, we have no leverage with NK to use any of them.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Aazadan

No it's not. If it was above the space line, which it was going by those numbers, then it never entered Japanese airspace.

I wasn't aware it was that high. In that case, I'm even more sure that no one will be doing anything about this.

As I posted earlier in the thread, the missile passed over Japan at an altitude of 300-350 miles. How HIGH does the borders of Earth's countries extend? 100 miles...200 miles? Is there a globally agreed upon upper limit?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: dianajune
According to YonHap, PM Abe of Japan and President Trump held an urgent discussion by phone about today's missile launch.

Source

There is no article at this link. Just a one-line mention. At the top of the page it also says that SK and the US will bring this up before the UN Security Council.

Bringing it before the UN Security Council doesn't mean much. Russia is going to veto anything, and even if they don't, it's highly unlikely that action will be authorized. The UN is rather toothless, and as I said before... SK doesn't want to solve this situation with military when that will kill 70% of their population.

Today's launch was provocative, and now they're saying that NK is about to conduct another nuke test. I agree that the UN is toothless, but I am concerned that the U.S. is as well, given that nothing but sanctions have been used thus far.

The last thing we need at this time (or any other for that matter, but especially now) is war at the same time as Hurricane Harvey and its aftermath. Perhaps this is why Kim ordered the launch and upcoming nuke test?

And what rational actions do you want the US to take? Military is out, there's nothing left to sanction, there's no diplomatic ties to pressure, and they have no economy to attack.

Military, diplomatic, and economic are the three ways the US can exert force, we have no leverage with NK to use any of them.

That's easy.. the CIA can "take out" Kim Jong.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: dianajune
According to YonHap, PM Abe of Japan and President Trump held an urgent discussion by phone about today's missile launch.

Source

There is no article at this link. Just a one-line mention. At the top of the page it also says that SK and the US will bring this up before the UN Security Council.

Bringing it before the UN Security Council doesn't mean much. Russia is going to veto anything, and even if they don't, it's highly unlikely that action will be authorized. The UN is rather toothless, and as I said before... SK doesn't want to solve this situation with military when that will kill 70% of their population.

Today's launch was provocative, and now they're saying that NK is about to conduct another nuke test. I agree that the UN is toothless, but I am concerned that the U.S. is as well, given that nothing but sanctions have been used thus far.

The last thing we need at this time (or any other for that matter, but especially now) is war at the same time as Hurricane Harvey and its aftermath. Perhaps this is why Kim ordered the launch and upcoming nuke test?

And what rational actions do you want the US to take? Military is out, there's nothing left to sanction, there's no diplomatic ties to pressure, and they have no economy to attack.

Military, diplomatic, and economic are the three ways the US can exert force, we have no leverage with NK to use any of them.

That's easy.. the CIA can "take out" Kim Jong.

It seems to me that the CIA would have taken Kim out by now. I don't think they have any intention of doing so.

bomb the # out of north korea then send all of antifa and blm there under rule by iron fist.

a reply to: carewemust

There's no formal treaty, but the accepted limit is the Karman Line at 62 miles. The Chicago Treaty defines aircraft as operating where the air is thick enough to generate lift and permit operation of the engines. That's the only treaty that really covers it right now.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I imagine if an ICBM crossed over the continental United States, we'd likely strike back. What about an EMP attack? Don't those take place high in the atmosphere?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Aazadan

No it's not. If it was above the space line, which it was going by those numbers, then it never entered Japanese airspace.

I wasn't aware it was that high. In that case, I'm even more sure that no one will be doing anything about this.

As I posted earlier in the thread, the missile passed over Japan at an altitude of 300-350 miles. How HIGH does the borders of Earth's countries extend? 100 miles...200 miles? Is there a globally agreed upon upper limit?

350 miles above earth? Got a source because I seriously doubt this is true??

a reply to: cnoland

What's so unbelievable about it?

worldview.stratfor.com...

Nothing will happen. NOTHING.

People will continue to screech at each other and thump their chests and commit symbolic actions but there will never be any actual war (thankfully).

How many times have you seen this movie before?

a reply to: Dudemo5

Not at 340 miles they don't.

Did some more digging on EMP attacks and found this.


From: en.wikipedia.org...


The pulse can easily span continent-sized areas, and this radiation can affect systems on land, sea, and air. ... A large device detonated at 400–500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of the continental U.S. The signal from such an event extends to the visual horizon as seen from the burst point.

Which leads me to believe that an ICBM flying at 300+ miles over the U.S. would probably not be viewed as benign, no matter here it's trajectory would have it touch down.

Of course, I don't really know. It's not like the military consults me with this sort of thing. :-)

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: dianajune

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: dianajune
According to YonHap, PM Abe of Japan and President Trump held an urgent discussion by phone about today's missile launch.

Source

There is no article at this link. Just a one-line mention. At the top of the page it also says that SK and the US will bring this up before the UN Security Council.

Bringing it before the UN Security Council doesn't mean much. Russia is going to veto anything, and even if they don't, it's highly unlikely that action will be authorized. The UN is rather toothless, and as I said before... SK doesn't want to solve this situation with military when that will kill 70% of their population.

Today's launch was provocative, and now they're saying that NK is about to conduct another nuke test. I agree that the UN is toothless, but I am concerned that the U.S. is as well, given that nothing but sanctions have been used thus far.

The last thing we need at this time (or any other for that matter, but especially now) is war at the same time as Hurricane Harvey and its aftermath. Perhaps this is why Kim ordered the launch and upcoming nuke test?

And what rational actions do you want the US to take? Military is out, there's nothing left to sanction, there's no diplomatic ties to pressure, and they have no economy to attack.

Military, diplomatic, and economic are the three ways the US can exert force, we have no leverage with NK to use any of them.

That's easy.. the CIA can "take out" Kim Jong.

It seems to me that the CIA would have taken Kim out by now. I don't think they have any intention of doing so.

Maybe a replacement is being groomed? It's certainly more logical to get rid of the trouble-maker, before hundreds of thousands of people are killed as a result of his actions. Surely President Trump knows this.

a reply to: Dudemo5

The window for an EMP attack is narrow. Too high, and nothing happens. Too low, and it doesn't affect as big an area. There would also probably be more than one. If you're going to try to EMP someone, you don't want to take a chance with one missile.

originally posted by: cnoland

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Aazadan

No it's not. If it was above the space line, which it was going by those numbers, then it never entered Japanese airspace.

I wasn't aware it was that high. In that case, I'm even more sure that no one will be doing anything about this.

As I posted earlier in the thread, the missile passed over Japan at an altitude of 300-350 miles. How HIGH does the borders of Earth's countries extend? 100 miles...200 miles? Is there a globally agreed upon upper limit?

350 miles above earth? Got a source because I seriously doubt this is true??

Why? That's what ballistic missiles do. They rise above the atmosphere. Anyway, here's one source, as requested..
www.bbc.com...
As you see in the comments, the 342 miles of altitude was lower than most of North Korea's ballistic missile tests.

C'mon guys.

1 multi-stage missile goes over Japan, at 300+ miles in height allegedly... Satellites orbit at lower heights. We didn't shoot down Soviet satellites during the cold war, we didn't take out NK's satellites.

Intercepting missiles and satellites sets a really bad precedent, what's to stop other nations shooting hardware out of the sky/space because... Umm I'm scared?

I keep hearing crazy kim this, looney Kim that. He isn't crazy, clearly. And your screams for war would get millions of people killed.

If Kim was to go all out attack, we'd see hundreds of rockets and missiles launched in a VERY short space of time, launched from land and sea. North Korea knows the counter-measures they'd have to overcome. They'll be wiped out for sure, but then they'll have killed easily 10 million plus in less than an hour.

He wants us to attack first, so that China would be dragged in. It would inevitably lead to the whole of Asia in arms. A world war.

We do not want an Asian war, especially one involving nuclear weapons.

Kim isn't crazy, he's been cold and calculating. Don't underestimate North Korea.

a reply to: RAY1990


Good logic. If Kim Jong is attempting to provoke us to attack his weapon, or weapons sites first, and we don't take the bait, what will he escalate to next? Maybe back to that "4 missiles towards Guam" plan? Or, maybe just 1 missile, to see what we do.