Boxing Isn't MMA Part 2

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Mandroid7
a reply to: Akragon

Seriously I thought he rope a doped the entire fight after he was saved by the bell amd had his corner pouting incident

I understand it's legal in boxing, but he didn't square up until he gassed him out.

i noticed the same.

while totally legal and a legit strategy it would have been nice to seem him do what he said he was gonna do.
he said he was going to come forward right at him and he didnt.

again, totally legit strategy. totally within the rules but it would have been nice to see them actually have a fight you know.

watch the fight again man... he did exactly that....

hands up coming straight at magregor... floyd actually took more jabs then i've ever seen him take...

and he laughed most of them off

a reply to: Akragon

i watched it again on lunch today. he was not coming forward for most of that fight.

it is what it is.
we all have our opinions on the fight and how it went down

props to floyd. he fought a smart fight

i just think people need to give conor his propers too

a reply to: Akragon

If the world's best boxer brings them in any time he fights a south paw I think it's a good sign they would do just fine. We are talking Andre ward as a sparring partner talking not a commentator.

The Diaz Bros grew up with karate, then bjj, then boxing. Mma.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: Akragon

i watched it again on lunch today. he was not coming forward for most of that fight.

it is what it is.
we all have our opinions on the fight and how it went down

props to floyd. he fought a smart fight

i just think people need to give conor his propers too

I am with you Floyd also purposely turned so in a Greco-Roman style clinch he wouldn't face the left hand.

Floyd probably played a little but then got hit with a couple upper cuts that made him sweat. Conor was impressive and I hate the guy's persona.

a reply to: TinySickTears

ye know... i personally can't stand mayweather... but the fact remains he was one of the best that ever stepped into the ring...

I do like magregor... he seems like a straight up guy with a big mouth... at least hes amusing

mayweather is just a rich prick with a lot of talent.

I give him credit for his bravery... but this was more about the paycheck

but back to the actual topic... Boxing isn't MMA

An MMA fighter can't transition to the pro ranks in boxing... but a former boxer can transition directly to the octagon... even though the results are usually never good

perfect example... Ray Mercer VS Tim Silvia

Tim was the champ for a few years in UFC... he decided he could square off against the former WBO champ

now keep in mind ray mercer was also a kick boxer... relatively smooth transition to MMA

originally posted by: luthier


I am with you Floyd also purposely turned so in a Greco-Roman style clinch he wouldn't face the left hand.

Floyd probably played a little but then got hit with a couple upper cuts that made him sweat. Conor was impressive and I hate the guy's persona.

he 100% ducked and rolled his back towards conor many times.
not sure if it was a strategy to see if he could get conor to get dq'd by illegal shots or did he get popped early and though he slipped most of them maybe he was stung?

dude conor hit him with an uppercut in the first that rocked him.

i watched again and conor lost steam in 7 and slowed down. 8 he was really slow but still popping off on floyd.
about a minute into 9 is when floyd started touching him and then into 10.

its bull# people saying floyd won 8 rounds and conor only won 1.

conor won the first 4 rounds for sure. i think he won every round up to 8.
so 7 rounds.

even if floyd was not punching early in a strategy to let conor get tired he was still getting hit and he was not hitting back. he was taking damage(minimal) and conor was taking none.

i dont think conor is getting a fair shake from most people.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: TinySickTears

ye know... i personally can't stand mayweather... but the fact remains he was one of the best that ever stepped into the ring...

I do like magregor... he seems like a straight up guy with a big mouth... at least hes amusing

mayweather is just a rich prick with a lot of talent.

I give him credit for his bravery... but this was more about the paycheck

but back to the actual topic... Boxing isn't MMA

An MMA fighter can't transition to the pro ranks in boxing... but a former boxer can transition directly to the octagon... even though the results are usually never good

perfect example... Ray Mercer VS Tim Silvia

Tim was the champ for a few years in UFC... he decided he could square off against the former WBO champ

now keep in mind ray mercer was also a kick boxer... relatively smooth transition to MMA

Tim sylvia is a can and the heavy weight division was a joke at the time. Ray mercer didn't do crap in mma. He fought a can. Look at sylvia he isn't even in shape.

Again no boxer could enter mma. Not so vice versa.

MMA vs boxing is like comparing ATS to 4chan for debunking

4 chan would get tapped out in the first.

Lol

A fight for the history books guys, glad I watched it.

a reply to: Akragon

correct. the results are usually never good.
however when you step in with a guy that is past his prime who was never the # anyway and with a bad game plan then yeah, a boxer can and will win.

you give 1 and i will give 1

art jimmerson vs royce gracie at ufc 1

spanish commentary but it is what it is



james toney....choked out

genki sudo tapped butterbean

like i said it is what it is

i know if i ever watch a boxer fight in mma i will never root for the boxer

a reply to: TinySickTears

lol... i liked UFC more back in those days....

but again, watch royce's game plan.... keep your distance... tackle... over

ANYONE who fought james toni did not go toe to toe with him... thats just stupid

same with any boxer... You don't stand in front of a boxer unless you want your face dented

a reply to: luthier

Again no boxer could enter mma. Not so vice versa.

actually quite a few boxers have entered MMA...

MMA fighters can't enter a professional boxing match... they have to work their way up the ranks and prove they're worthy...

In UFC... You just need a name and you can get into the ring

a reply to: Akragon

Well of course. Going toe toe is a boxing specialty.

But take it a step further. How would a boxer do in kick boxing toe to toe or muay thai? Worse hoe about Sambo where they use it all.

It is awesome for watching movement and boxing. Incredible chess matches. But in live fighting if all things are equal it is very limited.

a reply to: Akragon

Well you won't see me argue there. The ufc and bracket and ranking system is very flawed. But I havent heard of a boxer going into the ufc strait, do you have a source for that?

Boxing isn't very different. You can still cherry pick opponents and build a name without a true bracket towards the high end.

a reply to: luthier

a boxer wouldn't stand a chance out of his element... again this is the point of these two threads

I know from experience... mind you its been years since i fought... but even back then i wouldn't ever step into the ring with an MMA fighter... i even have a red belt in Karate, and i kickboxed for a while

I can't wrestle... lol

i would have been dead out of my element

a reply to: Akragon

True. But that why you have to see McGregor did pretty well. Floyd couldn't just dance around mocking him he had to take it fairly serious for the bout. I also think McGregor could be a good boxer but why? He is rich. He would have to be an egomaniac fool to continue at this point knowing what we know about tramatic brain injury. It's actually worse in boxing because of the standing counts.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Akragon

Well you won't see me argue there. The ufc and bracket and ranking system is very flawed. But I havent heard of a boxer going into the ufc strait, do you have a source for that?

Boxing isn't very different. You can still cherry pick opponents and build a name without a true bracket towards the high end.

James toney debut... First fight in MMA vs Randy Couture

OF all people LMAO!!!

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Akragon

Well you won't see me argue there. The ufc and bracket and ranking system is very flawed. But I havent heard of a boxer going into the ufc strait, do you have a source for that?

Boxing isn't very different. You can still cherry pick opponents and build a name without a true bracket towards the high end.

James toney debut... First fight in MMA vs Randy Couture

OF all people LMAO!!!

That was a one off. Just like McGregor.

a reply to: luthier

thats all you need in UFC... IF you're a fighter in any style you can get in

IF you already are a big name... you can jump to the top

It doesn't work like that in boxing... ever

The mayweather / magregor fight was just a an over hyped show... it was barely a real fight

a reply to: Akragon

So it never happens but it just did.

In boxing you can avoid other top ranked opponents for ever if you want. There isn't a real bracket either. It's nothing like amateur boxing with actual rankings based on a bracket.

Any "sport" with a matchmaker isn't a real competition. The ufc followed boxing.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Akragon

So it never happens but it just did.

In boxing you can avoid other top ranked opponents for ever if you want. There isn't a real bracket either. It's nothing like amateur boxing with actual rankings based on a bracket.

Any "sport" with a matchmaker isn't a real competition. The ufc followed boxing.

Well no it didn't... Mayweather isn't ranked anymore... he retired

IF magregor actually fought a ranked fighter he would have gotten hurt badly

Just as if mayweather actually decided to enter UFC... he'd die

That wasn't a real boxing match... it was an overhyped fight that brought in spectators

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