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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Gryphon66
Consider the statue of Lee in Charlottesville VA. Is it on public land? Is it public property?
If someone actually bothered to read those sources.
Paul Goodloe a private citizen bought and paid for both lee park and the statue.
Donated to the city.
Stood there for 100 years with no one whining about it until the social justice warriors last YEAR.
originally posted by: Willtell
Let em keep their goddam statues
But don’t you dare tell me you’re an American?
America stands for FREEDOM!
Not the preservation of oppression
And worst…
What kind of human being are you?
Not much of one
Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856:
I was much pleased the with President's message. His views of the systematic and progressive efforts of certain people at the North to interfere with and change the domestic institutions of the South are truthfully and faithfully expressed. The consequences of their plans and purposes are also clearly set forth. These people must be aware that their object is both unlawful and foreign to them and to their duty, and that this institution, for which they are irresponsible and non-accountable, can only be changed by them through the agency of a civil and servile war. There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which Providence accomplishes its purpose, the results will be the same; and that the reason he gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. . . . Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
Do you still want to present that the way Nazis treated people and the way Confederates treated people are completely unrelated as you say here?
So now, if the City of Charlottesville decides to remove its property from its own land ... how is that any of your business?
Early in November 2016, the Blue Ribbon Commission voted 6–3 to let both statues remain in place.[7] On November 28, 2016, it voted 7–2 to remove the Lee statue to McIntire Park in Charlottesville and 8–1 to keep the Stonewall Jackson statue in place,[8] delivering a final report with that recommendation to Charlottesville City Council in December.[9]
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Gryphon66
Because anything belonging to the City of Charlottesville belongs to the citizens of the city and as such everyone should be able to make a decision instead of allowing a few people decide for everyone.
originally posted by: neo96
Early in November 2016, the Blue Ribbon Commission voted 6–3 to let both statues remain in place.[7] On November 28, 2016, it voted 7–2 to remove the Lee statue to McIntire Park in Charlottesville and 8–1 to keep the Stonewall Jackson statue in place,[8] delivering a final report with that recommendation to Charlottesville City Council in December.[9]
Fascism takes only a few 'intellectual' elite.
7 to be exact.
en.wikipedia.org...
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Gryphon66
Because anything belonging to the City of Charlottesville belongs to the citizens of the city and as such everyone should be able to make a decision instead of allowing a few people decide for everyone.
As is pointed out regularly, we live in a Republic. The people have freely elected representatives to make such decisions.