We Are The Alt-Right

a reply to: theantediluvian

You ever try posting something without being condescending?

a reply to: kelbtalfenek

Hardly. It was coined by Gottfried and Spencer.

It cannot be coined by two people, someone said it first. Also if you want to latch onto a definition based on how the second person to use the term defined it then that's your prerogative, but I will not be going along with such nonsense I'm afraid.

originally posted by: fiverx313
this thread is dumb.

No, it is simply beyond your level of understanding, therefor to you it appears dumb.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
No, it is simply beyond your level of understanding, therefor to you it appears dumb.

oh i'm sure... some very intellectual stuff going on here. my little brain just can't fathom it.

originally posted by: fiverx313

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
No, it is simply beyond your level of understanding, therefor to you it appears dumb.

oh i'm sure... some very intellectual stuff going on here. my little brain just can't fathom it.

Your telling the story

Actually, the 'Alt-Right' use that term themselves proudly, some say Richard Spencer was responsible for using the term 'Alt-Right' first, but I think it was around before him, anyway, they don't use it as a 'slur' they proudly call themselves 'Alt-right'

a reply to: XAnarchistX

Lmao, you really need to try thinking for yourself a bit more... "Oh it was that evil Richards Spencer who created it, or at least I'm pretty sure, and he uses that term so proudly". If a terrorist were to call themselves a proud liberal that would not imply all liberals are terrorists. The MSM was more than willing to build and solidify this relation between racists and the alt-right because it furthers their political agenda. Looks like you're an Antifa person so you must view the so called "alt-right" as your arch enemies, which is exactly their aim. You claim to be an "anarchist" yet the MSM is using you like a fiddle to push the mainstream narrative. It's extremely ironic really, the people who believe they are challenging the status quo are actually the very people helping maintain it.

ATS has always been the home of the alternative narrative, home of the counterculture... and there's a reason most of us aren't going along with the neurotic MSM and their attempt to take down Trump or encourage people to run around the streets throwing a tantrum. It's a childish reaction to losing, if you want people to give you any degree of respect then at least have the balls the show your face, anyone protesting a real issue should be able to do that... unless of course they plan to go around breaking property of people they don't even know because they think it's edgy and cool and will some how make a difference in the world, when actually it'll just repulse people and make them dislike you.

Being Anti-Establishment is Now Trendy

Alt right means alternative right.
What's the alternative to right?
There are choices: left, straightforward or backwards.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Except that Richard Spencer admits it openly, he started popularizing "alt-right' in connection with his 'Identitarian-Ethno-nationalist' views

His Tweet

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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I've noticed this term "alt-right" really become widely used since Trump got elected and it got me wondering exactly where it came from and what it means.

neo-nazi sites like stormfront and daily stormer wanted new members and realized the term neo-nazi was putting people off so they rebranded alt-right.
they also renamed anti fascists the antifa.
hence the neo-nazi types on this site dont like anti fascists, neo-nazis told them too.

a reply to: XAnarchistX

What one guy chooses to do is not of much concern to me, I'd barely even heard of the guy before today. Honestly at this point I probably hate him more than you do for creating such an association with a phrase which could easily be used to describe anyone not in the mainstream right. I would also like to point out that the MSM and people on the left often use the phrase alt-right to describe people on the right but outside of the mainstream, such as controversial conservative figures on YouTube. They are more than willing to use the term to label people who have never said anything racist, the insinuation is automatically applied that they must be racist because of their assumed political association with the alt-right, and that's why it's so insidious.

I have no issues with phrases like "far-right" because the definition matches what one would infer from the words in the phrase. But with alt-right the obvious meaning has been obscured and morphed as a way to attack political opponents. It's like when Google tried to redefine Fascism to be a strictly right wing thing and imply it cannot possibly come from socialist states. I mean if you closely examine that claim in a historical context it's just utterly ludicrous. They're manipulating history and the English language to push an agenda which is failing miserably, they think all their tricky psyops crap will work but what they don't seem to realize is a very large fraction of people are waking up to it and seeing right through it.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Fascism is a 'far right' ideology though, there has been Left-authoritarians, but the ideology of fascism is 'far right'

as far as 'Alt-Right', yeah, the Media calls everyone Alt-Right, but the media are propagandists and sensationalists, it is the topic that gets viewers and money and something they can exploit with the Liberals.

same as people calling every protester "Antifa" now, even though it is not true, and now recently appropriating the Liberals term "Alt-Left"


'Alt-Right' was popularized by Spencer and adopted as an umbrella for their ideology

Fascism is a 'far right' ideology though, there has been Left-authoritarians, but the ideology of fascism is 'far right'

How did I know you'd try to explain to me how fascism can only be a right wing thing. Hitler used socialist nationalism, you cannot just ignore the socialist aspects of his regime and say it was strictly far-right. The Fascist manifesto describes many progressive reforms and concepts. Communist nations like NK are authoritarian hell holes which encourage an extremely high degree of nationalism and idealization of their leaders. Also see: WWII Survivor Warns of Socialism and Gun Control

as far as 'Alt-Right', yeah, the Media calls everyone Alt-Right, but the media are propagandists and sensationalists, it is the topic that gets viewers and money and something they can exploit with the Liberals.

My point is that they use the term loosely and often use it to describe controversial or conspiratorial conservatives rather than as a term just for racists, so even their usage of the word admits that the definition I've given in this thread is a valid one, and the term doesn't just strictly apply to people who like to shout "white power". It's really a very narrow minded way of thinking to believe that just because one racist guy uses the term a certain way that is the true definition of the term, it's a very weak argument.

Choice between 'two sides' is an illusion.

This is not the real wizard of OZ:

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The real wizard is over there behind the curtain.

Btw, before I head off for a while, I realize this is a pointless thread because the way people interpret the word is unlikely to change due to its obviously deep seeded negative connotations, however that does not mean I retract my argument or refuse to label myself as alt-right. I will accept that label if people choose to apply it to me because I don't see it as an insult since I know I'm not racist. Typically when they choose to use that phrase to describe someone it's because that person made a strong but controversial argument and the only thing they could do to refute it is call them a name. If the argument is about illegal immigration, inequality between men and women, or something similar, then it's even easier to accuse that person of being a racist or sexist. The logic is that they must want less illegal immigrants coming in because they're racist and they must believe men and women are biologically different because they're sexist, as we saw happen to a Google employee recently. So simply by holding some conservative view points the label of alt-right comes lurking around the corner to be slapped on your forehead.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
I've noticed this term "alt-right" really become widely used since Trump got elected and it got me wondering exactly where it came from and what it means. It's often used by people on the left in a derogatory manner and many seem to think it's synonymous with white supremacy. Lets break down the word into it's separate parts and consider their meaning. Alt is short for alternative, so we're talking about an "alternative right", something outside of the mainstream right. But what is the mainstream right, is it old school neo-con Republicans like McCain? That's the sort of implication I infer, what they're saying is if you support Trump you must be alt-right but if you support the liberal narrative then you're an honorable mainstream Republican.

That is obviously not a legitimate description of the alt-right, that's just convenient labeling aimed at pushing a political agenda. I would argue the alt-right is something much more nuanced than that, it's a label for right leaning people who are willing to embrace alternative narratives and alternative methods of doing things. It's the outcasts like Ron Paul who are willing the challenge the status quo, it's easy to see how the mainstream detests such politicians, just look how they ignored and mocked him when he ran in '12. Crazy old uncle Paul couldn't possibly get elected their polls said, and his ideas were far too crazy and radical to ever work. He just wasn't mainstream enough at the end of the day.

Over the last 4 years of Obama it seems the momentum that was growing for alternative candidates such as Ron Paul finally manifested its self in the form of someone much less ideal but nevertheless someone that people felt wasn't a mainstream politician. What I think many people on the left fail to realize is that the alternative right is made up of people who truly want to challenge the status quo and make the world a better place by doing so, they aren't evil demons. They are actually the exact type of conservatives and libertarians you will find on ATS, and in my experience most right leaning members here are not raving white supremacists, but at the same time we're not going to embrace white guilt.

Just because some far-right groups have racist ideologies does not mean they represent all people on the right or even the alt-right. The same goes for far-left groups which use violence to push their agenda, I'm not going to judge everyone on the left based on the actions of a small extremist group. And I have to admit I've been a bit guilty of this recently with all the Antifa topics going viral. It's easy to get caught in your own little echo chamber and lose track of how reality actually is. It's also very easy to deny reality if you don't look at arguments from the other side... many people on the left seem to be supporting and defending Antifa as if they cannot possibly do anything wrong because their ideals are righteous.

Clearly these aren't the type of people who take the time to watch videos criticizing SJW's or groups like Antifa, it just don't have the same comedic value for them. So they are much less likely to witness the absolutely horrendous behavior such far-left groups often engage in, but they often feel an ideological alliance with any leftist group and so they ignorantly defend them. Likewise, the people who enjoy watching videos of insane liberals get roasted don't spend much time watching videos from sensible liberals and they get a world view that all leftists must be mentally ill, which obviously isn't a fair or true assessment of reality, it's not much different to saying someone is nazi because they think differently to you.

The point I think I'm trying to get at here is that we're really not so different at the end of day... we all seek real change so that the world can be a better place. People have shown they are willing to completely abandon the mainstream if that's what it's takes, regardless of the MSM or their polls. Almost half the nation voted for Trump, that's a lot of people who decided to give the system a big middle finger, and you can't just slap a single label on all of them. If the best option presented is the "alternative" option then people are going to choose it and it shouldn't come as a shock they didn't decide to elect the option shoved down their throat, especially when that option has such a bad taste, it simply wont be swallowed by people.

Those are really, really nice paragraphs!!

And the alt-left thinks the alt-right is dumb. You've shown them otherwise.

Talk to Richard Spencer ... he coined the term and still uses it at altright.com, a White Nationalist, pro-Trump website.

Reality, deal with it.

YAWN....

Talk to Richard Spencer ... he coined the term and still uses it

In November 2008, Paul Gottfried addressed the H. L. Mencken Club about what he called "the alternative right. In two more posts at Taki's Magazine, by Patrick J. Ford and Jack Hunter, further discussed the alternative right. The term's modern usage, however, is most commonly attributed to white nationalist and self-described "identitarian" Richard B. Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute and founder of Alternative Right.

*Gottfried, Paul (January 22, 2016). "The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right". The Unz Review. Retrieved February 5, 2016.
**Gottfried, Paul (December 1, 2008). "The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right". Taki's Magazine.

Hi everyone - please don't be fooled by the Trump haters' / ATS Trump supporter haters insistence that Richard Spencer 'coined the term' Alt-Right - he didn't.

The term's modern usage, however, is most commonly attributed to white nationalist and self-described "identitarian" Richard B. Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute and founder of Alternative Right.

For further information, check out altright.com.

(Emphasis mine.)

Conservatives just need to walk away from 'right wing' designations altogether, no matter what the prefix or suffix.