Parents Grill School Board Over Transgender Discussions In Kindergarten

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: melatonin

No I am not advocating for doing away with the terms boy and girl.

Just curious, why not?

a reply to: kaylaluv

Yeah, why not? This way we can eliminate the 1000 personal nouns and in 5 years, revert back to boys and girls when the unicornism is no more.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Who does it benefit to vilify the terms boy or girl?

If you don't like the terms, why do you think it should be mandated that everyone change to the way you think and feel, while you vilify and reject anything anyone has else to say?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

If you don't like the terms, why do you think it should be mandated that everyone change to the way you think and feel, while you vilify and reject anything anyone else to say?

Because he/she/it is not better than the people she is preaching to. Hypocrite and such just they are that high on their moral throne, they do not even realize..

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

You are the one who said we shouldn't label kids. Why do we need to label them boy or girl? What's the point if they are too young to understand it?

a reply to: kaylaluv

Why do we need to label them boy or girl?

Seriously? I mean, seriously? This can´t be a honest question. Are you that brainwashed / misguided? Because it´s nature, although you don´t like it, it has been this way forever.

You take it to a whole new level.

a reply to: verschickter

But i thought the argument was, we shouldn't try to teach then things they are too young to understand, and i am being told here, that 1st graders are still learning how to wipe their butts, so they don't understand gender like boy or girl yet. So why use labels they can't understand?

a reply to: kaylaluv
I´m now speaking for myself, I knew and also had the impression others did, already in kindergarten the difference and the meaning between the word "boy" and "girl".

It started when we (the boys) were teached not to visit the girls bathroom.

Don´t confuse your kind with the rest of the world.

a reply to: verschickter

Ahh, so your argument is that children that young do indeed know the difference between boy and girl. So, it is possible for a child born as a boy physically to know in his brain that he is in fact a she. Because kids know the difference.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

lol. Here we go...

Labels suck yeah... but adults labelling children as boys and girls is just fine and dandy. They'll deal with it. There will be casualties, but these labels must be defended at all costs D:

Adults, eh?

It is not about the dress or about the children. It is about the adults.

I agree! Silly problematic adults.

There is not need to make this an issue among children. I am around enough children to know that gender is not anything children that are kindergarten age even think about, unless it is being pushed by an adult.

Hmm, I agree to a degree. Adults are the real problem. However, gender identity can be a major problem for some children. Even very young-uns. Others just like to explore the bounds of gender identity, as you clearly suggest.

Let the children be children, they will have enough time to have to battle the ills that the world is ready to throw at them. At least let them have time to grow up before we start labeling and categorizing them.

I agree! Lets not label children. Let children be children. Bloomin adults.

Let them express themselves however they like. Whether it be via innate preference, imagination, or plain old stubborness.

There are many cultures where young boys wear bows, feathers, multicolored thread, etc., in their hair.

I know, right! Isn't that cool? They are free to express themselves in other ways. One might even say how children express themselves can often be determined culturally and can vary (:

Adults are the ones with the problem, and we need to stop spilling it all over the children.

I know, right! It really sucks how adults force their attitudes and preferences on children. It would be pretty cool to let them express themselves how they like.

No I am not advocating for doing away with the terms boy and girl.

Oh? And your an adult, right?

Children will develop their sense of identity associated with the terms boy and girl.

Oh? So adults forcing labels and an associated gender identity on children is fine? Hmmm.

You know that doesn't work for all children, right?

Adults that have scars and have problems dealing with these terms, should not inflict those feelings onto a child. They may think they are helping. I don't think they are.

So you effectively accept there are adults whom were once children that were scarred by the imposition of labels.

The labels imposed by adults.

Labels you are happy to impose.

All's fair in war and boys and girls, right?

Adults are the ones with the problem, and we need to stop spilling it all over the children.

I know, right!

I agree that it would be hard to do away with terms like 'boys' and 'girls', as you can see the sort of hissy-fits we'd have among the small-minded 'adults'.

So perhaps lets accept that we need to make room for those children who show gender variance without imposing shaming or ridicule. And even allow children who want to explore their gender identity room to do so.

Let the children be children. Even gender variant children (:

Now go to your room and think long and hard about what you just did, lol D:

a reply to: kaylaluv

So, it is possible for a child born as a boy physically to know in his brain that he is in fact a she.

Of course. But I say, as in most cases, let puberty sort it out. I´ve no problem with transgenderism per se, just the way it´s pushed on small children. I also had a "tomboy girlfriend" that sometimes complained she wanted to have a penis (girlfriend as in, classmate who I used to spend time with), guess what, that changed suddenly when she became 14.

Today she´s married, had two kids and does some model jobs.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: verschickter

Ahh, so your argument is that children that young do indeed know the difference between boy and girl. So, it is possible for a child born as a boy physically to know in his brain that he is in fact a she. Because kids know the difference.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Stay strong (:

a reply to: melatonin
Excuse me? I think you shot too fast. You´re a great example what I ment with high moral ground and condescending behavior.

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: melatonin
Excuse me? I think you shot too fast. You´re a great example what I ment with high moral ground and condescending behavior.

Aww, sorry daddy.

I'll go to my room and self-flaggelate.

Don't think I was talking to you, though :/

a reply to: melatonin

But about me, since you specifical adressed kayaluvs reply to mine. I´m not dumb.

Edit: But you do a great service to your fellow comrades with your exceptional manners. Not.

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: melatonin

But about me, since you specifical adressed kayaluvs reply to mine. I´m not dumb.

Edit: But you do a great service to your fellow comrades with your exceptional manners. Not.

Aww, I'll try to meek and submissive like how I was taught next time.

Sorry ):

a reply to: kaylaluv

"Girls" used to mean children in general for longer than it's meant "Females".

Girls not meaning just the kids is a new thing.

a reply to: melatonin

What is your #ing problem? I´m trying to have a nice discussion with kayaluv (for once) and you behave like a god damn spoiled brat on ritalin.

You´re full of prejudice and childish on top of that, too.

a reply to: kaylaluv
Because it accepted societal terminology, and easy for children to understand. A child is born with a penis will be determined to be clinically male, and a child born with a vagina will be clinically determined to be female. They are important clinical markers when determining the appropriate treatment by medical personnel. So obviously it is important to be able to identify the differences.

The fact that some people want to vilify the differences, speaks more to the problems they have with their gender, than it does anything else.

I accept there are people that have problems identifying or accepting their gender and sexuality, I just don't know why they want to make this an issue for people that don't.

Expecting people to treat you fairly doesn't start with you rejecting what they are, and demanding that they accept there in nothing wrong with you, and insisting there is something wrong with them.

People are born male or female. To simplify it for children, boy or girl. That is just how it is. If a person believes that the mind determines your gender and or sexuality, then what genitalia they are born with is not important. It would make the same amount of difference as being born with black hair or red hair.

The truth is that people are born with genitalia that determine how their bodies will mature and function, even if someone doesn't like it.

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: melatonin

What is your #ing problem? I´m trying to have a nice discussion with kayaluv (for once) and you behave like a god damn spoiled brat on ritalin.

You´re full of prejudice and childish on top of that, too.

I'm just joshing around (:

Lighten up. I agree with the other dude that adults are the problem. However, like most adults it sometimes takes children to show through the BS. Children are often the best people to pull apart adult BS.

Applying the labels 'boy' and 'girl' goes way beyond the simple defintion of biological sex. It carries a yuge amount of associated gender-related baggage. As I was attempting to show.

Gender variant children clearly cause major problems for some adults. The logical contortions some will perform to effectively argue against providing a little room for these children is actually rather funny.

All's fair in war and boys and girls (;

Cheer up, it might never happen D: