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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Just incase you missed it


So YES, the PLANE is (technically) constantly pitching forward as it flies the curvature of the Earth. But it doesn't feel like pitch because DOWN is changing at the same time and it's an incredibly slight rate of pitch overwhelmed by other dynamic forces acting on the aircraft.
flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You


Instruments read level as 'level to the Earth's curvature


So, please name the instrument on a jet that specifically measures the how level the surface of the earth is?


As I said, planes do not measure the surface below it. Planes measure level flight in the atmosphere, around the plane itself.

Level isn't 'level to curvature of Earth's surface' - this last, desperate excuse, cannot save your hopeless argument.


I've also explained why these instruments prove Earth is a flat surface, too...

Perhaps you don't understand how a plane can actually measure for level, during a flight, within the atmosphere...

Forget the surface below a plane, it isn't relevant, it is not measured by planes for level flight, or anything at all. Why not? Because the surface is constantly changing over a flight, first of all. It cannot be measured along a flight, which goes over a mountain, or a ravine, or a forest of trees, or a lake, or whatever else. It could not be measured, even if you tried to, for some reason.

To measure level flight, planes use the atmospheric pressure around the plane itself. Here is the best part - atmosphere indicates where it is level, or not level, which means atmosphere flows level, above the Earth, which is also 'level', or flat.


We know that a paper airplane flies best at level, the same way real planes do. They both are in the same medium - air.

Same as a race car is 'aerodynamic' because it's flatter to the surface, and is built to be as level as possible to air, which it goes through.


Level flight is the same thing.


A plane cannot measure the surface of Earth, whether curved, or flat, or anything else, during flight. Why would you think it can measure a fraction of an inch on the surface of Earth, for any reason? It is absurd to claim such a thing is even possible, let alone could it ever measure a fraction of an inch, at 40,000 feet altitude!!



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 08:26 AM
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It doesn't 'feel' like a pitch down, and it doesn't pitch down, either.

And the instruments which measure atmosphere are reading level flight, as well, no pitch down, which doesn't 'feel' like a pitch down, nor does it pitch down either!!

A plane in descent, which pitches down, measures it as a descent, or pitch down.

No 'curvature' of Earth's surface is magically being followed along by planes, sorry to say.
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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 08:56 AM
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As I said, planes do not measure the surface below it.


You


Instruments read level as 'level to the Earth's curvature',


What instruments?

Instruments measure levelness using level bubbles or gyroscopes that are totally independent of the earth’s surface. Is that false.

You


Here is the best part - atmosphere indicates where it is level, or not level, which means atmosphere flows level, above the Earth, which is also 'level', or flat.


How does an altimeter working off pressure measure level. It does not. So your argument is false. You are referring to an instrument that uses know atmospheric pressures to correlate temperature and atmospheric density to a hight above sea level. It doesn’t measure the jet’s pitch or roll. Is that false.

Level bubbles and gyroscopes are used to determine how level a plane is. Is that false.

Pressure based Altimeters only give height of the jet in seal level. Is that false.

If I want to level out a jet, I don’t look at the altimeter, is that false.

If I want to level out the jet, I look at the pitch and roll indications, is that false.

Altimeters do not read pitch and roll. Is that false.

Pressure based Altimeters are tied to the rate of claim, not pitch and roll of the jet. Is that false.

If I want to change my rate of climb, I look at instruments tied to the Altimeter. Is that false.

Sooooo


Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!

flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

What about the Attitude Indicator?

Gyroscopically driven Attitude Indicators are TIED TO GRAVITY. They constantly adjust themselves to find the vertical axis using gravity to force gyroscopic precession into the vertical. They adjust very slowly and evenly and constantly but they do adjust and if you hold the plane in a non-level attitude they will even give you the incorrect attitude as a result.

Here is a very detailed video showing how the Artificial Horizon works. At 4:00 you can see the 'pendulous vanes' that open and close little air vents which cause the gyroscopic precession until the vanes close the vents by hanging straight down under the gyroscope.



Witch begs the question if you think there is no gravity, how are gyroscopic altimeters even possible?



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 09:19 AM
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Definition of altimeter
: an instrument for measuring altitude
especially : an aneroid barometer designed to register changes in atmospheric pressure accompanying changes in altitude

www.merriam-webster.com...


From the definition of altimeter, how do you get a pressure based altimeter would quote:


To measure level flight, planes use the atmospheric pressure around the plane itself.


Altimeters tie into the rate of climb, not how level the jet is. Altimeters are used to give hight relative sea level.

Level bubbles and gyroscopes are used to read pitch and roll.

So you turboLag are using false arguments again.
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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 09:38 AM
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So your whole bases for flat earth is a pressure based altimeter which by definition gives no indication of how level a jet is and only measures a jets altitude relative to sea level gives no level indication.

Hence the name “alti”meter.

Or do you mean the alti-level-o-meter

Now that is F’d up.

Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahah...

Breath

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
Altimeters tie into the rate of climb, not how level the jet is. Altimeters are used to give hight relative sea level.


So you turboLag are using false arguments again.


No, you are falsely interpreting my arguments again.

I never said altimeters measure for level flight, I said instruments on planes measure for level flight. You jumped on that, and put your foot in your mouth.

Have you heard of the Vertical Speed Indicator (VSI)?

The vertical speed indicator is one of the six basic flight instruments in an airplane. The VSI tells the pilot whether the airplane is climbing, descending or in level flight.

www.thebalancecareers.com...


The VSI measures the pressure within the atmosphere, to achieve level flight, just as I told you earlier.

What next?
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posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 11:09 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

So your whole bases for flat earth is a pressure based altimeter which by definition gives no indication of how level a jet is and only measures a jets altitude relative to sea level gives no level indication.

Hence the name “alti”meter.

Or do you mean the alti-level-o-meter

Now that is F’d up.

Hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahah...

Breath

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


You sure 'F'd' up, big time.

Your 'laughs' make you look like a half-wit, afterwards, sorry to say.


Why do I bother, you'll probably forget what I told you about the VSI again, in a week or so, and make a fool of yourself once more.

Oh well, I've done all I can, the rest is up to you now.



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!

flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

What about the Attitude Indicator?

Gyroscopically driven Attitude Indicators are TIED TO GRAVITY. They constantly adjust themselves to find the vertical axis using gravity to force gyroscopic precession into the vertical. They adjust very slowly and evenly and constantly but they do adjust and if you hold the plane in a non-level attitude they will even give you the incorrect attitude as a result.

Here is a very detailed video showing how the Artificial Horizon works. At 4:00 you can see the 'pendulous vanes' that open and close little air vents which cause the gyroscopic precession until the vanes close the vents by hanging straight down under the gyroscope.



Witch begs the question if you think there is no gravity, how are gyroscopic altimeters even possible?



Because your source falsely assumes 'gravity' exists, and falsely assumes gyroscopic attitude indicators are "TIED TO GRAVITY", which 'forces' it into vertical.. Sigh.

As always, your side tries anything to show 'gravity' exists, no matter how it doesn't.

This is another attempt to 'prove' there is a powerful force within the Earth, which 'pulls' all objects down to the surface. No, it falsely assumes 'gravity' exists, and 'pulls' objects down to Earth. The fact is that objects in air will FALL through the air, because they have much more mass, and density, than the medium they are in, which is air. NOTHING IS PULLING THEM DOWN TO THE EARTH'S SURFACE.

Many things prove gravity does not exist, like the lack of any resistance to opposing forces, like a bird, which flies freely in air, against this most powerful 'pulling' force within the Earth, sure, of course!

Here's another for you...

If 'gravity' was tied to gyroscopes, how could fighter jets pull '3 g' maneuvers in air, without any effect on the gyroscope measurements? That alone proves gravity doesn't exist... so thanks for bring up gyroscopes.



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 11:47 PM
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If 'gravity' was tied to gyroscopes

It isn't.



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 03:45 AM
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You


I never said altimeters measure for level flight



And you



To measure level flight, planes use the atmospheric pressure around the plane itself. Here is the best part - atmosphere indicates where it is level, or not level, which means atmosphere flows level, above the Earth, which is also 'level', or flat.


By definition an altimeter is:


Definition of altimeter
: an instrument for measuring altitude
especially : an aneroid barometer designed to register changes in atmospheric pressure accompanying changes in altitude
www.merriam-webster.com...



Which basically means you just contradict yourself again and shows you are willing to post blatant falsehoods.
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posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 03:58 AM
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You


This is another attempt to 'prove' there is a powerful force within the Earth, which 'pulls' all objects down to the surface.


Bringing us back to this. Another of your contradictions.

You cannot say what would cause a brick thrown straight up into the air in the flat earth no gravity model reverse its direction to fall back to the earth. Specially in the context of Newton’s first law and your assertions of:



If gravity offers resistance to a rocket, why would a bird, or insect, not face any resistance, when flying above Earth, as the rocket supposedly does, when flying up from the Earth?


And



That is what gravity is supposed to do, is it not?

How do all the scientists prove such a force exists? They don't.

If this force existed, it would offer RESISTANCE to opposing forces, no?

But no resistance is offered at all. This proves there is no force at all.


With your own words, “But no resistance is offered at all. This proves there is no force at all.” Why would a brick thrown straight up into the air “care” if it is falling up away from earth in a less dense atmosphere? With “But no resistance is offered at all”. How is that different than a brick falling to earth because the atmosphere is less dense. What makes a brick thrown straight up into the air reverse direction and fall back to earth in the flat earth model?

More on


Accelerometer vs. Gyroscope: What's the Difference?

www.livescience.com...

What is a gyroscope?
A gyroscope is a device that uses Earth's gravity to help determine orientation. Its design consists of a freely-rotating disk called a rotor, mounted onto a spinning axis in the center of a larger and more stable wheel. As the axis turns, the rotor remains stationary to indicate the central gravitational pull, and thus which way is "down."


Break

Uses of a gyroscope or accelerometer

The main difference between the two devices is simple: one can sense rotation, whereas the other cannot. In a way, the accelerometer can gauge the orientation of a stationary item with relation to Earth's surface. When accelerating in a particular direction, the accelerometer is unable to distinguish between that and the acceleration provided through Earth's gravitational pull. If you were to consider this handicap when used in an aircraft, the accelerometer quickly loses much of its appeal.

The gyroscope maintains its level of effectiveness by being able to measure the rate of rotation around a particular axis. When gauging the rate of rotation around the roll axis of an aircraft, it identifies an actual value until the object stabilizes out. Using the key principles of angular momentum, the gyroscope helps indicate orientation. In comparison, the accelerometer measures linear acceleration based on vibration.


So what makes using a gyroscopes possible if there is no gravity.

And to tie all this together.


The AltIMU-10 v5 Gyro, Accelerometer, Compass and Altimeter (LSM6DS33, LIS3MDL, and LPS25H Carrier) is an inertial measurement unit (IMU) and altimeter that features the same LSM6DS33 gyro and accelerometer and LIS3MDL magnetometer as the MinIMU-9 v5, and adds an LPS25H digital barometer. An I²C interface accesses ten independent pressure, rotation, acceleration, and magnetic measurements that can be used to calculate the sensor’s altitude and absolute orientation. The board operates from 2.5 to 5.5 V and has a 0.1″ pin spacing.
www.robotshop.com...


Which brings us back to airplane pitch...


Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!

flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

So YES, the PLANE is (technically) constantly pitching forward as it flies the curvature of the Earth. But it doesn't feel like pitch because DOWN is changing at the same time and it's an incredibly slight rate of pitch overwhelmed by other dynamic forces acting on the aircraft.


So you TurboLag are a self contradicting hack with no credibility pushing the blatant lie the earth is flat.
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posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 04:22 AM
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You


This is another attempt to 'prove' there is a powerful force within the Earth,


It’s been cited to you before that gravity is considered a weak force...



wtamu.edu...

Actually, gravity is the weakest of the four fundamental forces. Ordered from strongest to weakest, the forces are 1) the strong nuclear force, 2) the electromagnetic force, 3) the weak nuclear force, and 4) gravity. If you take two protons and hold them very close together, they will exert several forces on each other. Because they both have mass, the two protons exert gravitational attraction on each other. Because they both have a positive electric charge, they both exert electromagnetic repulsion on each other. Also, they both have internal "color" charge and thus exert attraction via the strong nuclear force. Because the strong nuclear force is the strongest at short distances, it dominates over the other forces and the two protons become bound, forming a helium nucleus (typically a neutron is also needed to keep the helium nucleus stable). Gravity is so weak at the atomic scale that scientists can typically ignore it without incurring significant errors in their calculations.



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 05:24 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You


I never said altimeters measure for level flight



And you



To measure level flight, planes use the atmospheric pressure around the plane itself. Here is the best part - atmosphere indicates where it is level, or not level, which means atmosphere flows level, above the Earth, which is also 'level', or flat.


By definition an altimeter is:


Definition of altimeter
: an instrument for measuring altitude
especially : an aneroid barometer designed to register changes in atmospheric pressure accompanying changes in altitude
www.merriam-webster.com...



Which basically means you just contradict yourself again and shows you are willing to post blatant falsehoods.


No, it means you're a nitwit, who just proved it again. Where is the part above where I said altimeters measure for level flight, other than in your own imagination?


Sheesh, this is a joke.



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 05:30 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
What makes a brick thrown straight up into the air reverse direction and fall back to earth in the flat earth model?



Again, the brick has more mass and density than the medium in it in, air. Do you think a brick should be held up in mid-air, or something? Do you think the brick that is thrown up into air has infinite energy, and should keep flying upward, forever, perhaps?



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 05:50 AM
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Do you know what Werner Von Braun's tombstone says below his name - Psalm 19.1

Psalm 19: To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.


The father of rocketry, who started NASA, as chief, wanted to tell people there is a firmament, above Earth...after he died.

Von Braun wouldn't have known anything about what lies above the Earth, right?



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 06:11 AM
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You


Again, the brick has more mass and density than the medium in it in, air. Do you think a brick should be held up in mid-air, or something? Do you think the brick that is thrown up into air has infinite energy, and should keep flying upward, forever, perhaps?



Density is not a force.


density noun
den·​si·​ty | ˈden(t)-sə-tē
plural densities
Definition of density
1 : the quality or state of being dense
measures of traffic density
the density of the cake
felt that the candidate's density on the subject of equality was alarming
the density of her prose
2 mathematics : the quantity per unit volume (see VOLUME entry 1 sense 2), unit area (see AREA sense 1), or unit length: such as
a chemistry : the mass (see MASS entry 2 sense 1c) of a substance per unit volume
b chemistry : the distribution of a quantity (such as mass, electricity, or energy) per unit usually of space (such as length, area, or volume)
c : the average number of individuals or units per space unit
a population density of 500 per square mile
a housing density of 10 houses per acre
3 physics
a : the degree of opacity (see OPACITY sense 2) of a translucent medium
the fog's density
b : the common logarithm of the opacity

www.merriam-webster.com...



Newton’s first law.


Newton's First Law
An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.
www.physicsclassroom.com...


If there is no gravity, what forces causes a brick thrown straight up into the air to reverse direction and return to the ground.



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 06:17 AM
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Then fly a blimp to the moon. It is only 6000 miles away according to you.



York Man Piloted the Longest Nonstop Blimp Flight Ever

www.usnews.com...

It had been airborne for 246.2 hours and had traveled 9,448 miles without stopping - obliterating the record of the Graf Zeppelin. When it began its journey, according to a report by a Goodyear engineer, it had 22,675 pounds of fuel, about 3,600 gallons. When it completed its journey, it had less than 80 gallons of fuel left.


It wouldn’t even be the longest blimp flight.



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You


I never said altimeters measure for level flight



And you



To measure level flight, planes use the atmospheric pressure around the plane itself. Here is the best part - atmosphere indicates where it is level, or not level, which means atmosphere flows level, above the Earth, which is also 'level', or flat.


By definition an altimeter is:


Definition of altimeter
: an instrument for measuring altitude
especially : an aneroid barometer designed to register changes in atmospheric pressure accompanying changes in altitude
www.merriam-webster.com...



Which basically means you just contradict yourself again and shows you are willing to post blatant falsehoods.


No, it means you're a nitwit, who just proved it again. Where is the part above where I said altimeters measure for level flight, other than in your own imagination?


Sheesh, this is a joke.


Then what instrument were you referring to when you said.


Altitude and level flight are measured within the atmosphere, it has nothing to do with the surface 35,000 feet below planes!
www.abovetopsecret.com...




A plane flying at 35,000 feet measures a level flight by barometric pressure in the atmosphere, around the plane.
www.abovetopsecret.com...





Planes have to measure the atmosphere during flight, to achieve level flight.

www.abovetopsecret.com...




Airplanes fly in the atmosphere, measure the atmosphere, for level flights.

Level flight is measured in atmosphere, during flights
www.abovetopsecret.com...




Planes can only measure level flights within the atmosphere around the plane itself, and nothing beyond that area.
www.abovetopsecret.com...




Planes can only measure level flights within the atmosphere around the plane itself, and nothing beyond that area.
www.abovetopsecret.com...




As I said, planes do not measure the surface below it. Planes measure level flight in the atmosphere, around the plane itself.


Now.....

How does using “level flight in the atmosphere” give any indication of actual pitch and roll of a plane?


You,”Level flight is measured in atmosphere, during flights”, so what instrument would that be?



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 06:59 AM
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Just in case you missed it.....


Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!

flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

So YES, the PLANE is (technically) constantly pitching forward as it flies the curvature of the Earth. But it doesn't feel like pitch because DOWN is changing at the same time and it's an incredibly slight rate of pitch overwhelmed by other dynamic forces acting on the aircraft.


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