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posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1



You cannot see Saturn spinning like a top, and 'wobbling' at the same time, but you somehow believe it's a 'liquid planet', with a 'weather' system?!?!

The evidence does not support your argument, it only supports mine...



Based off what fixed and permanent feature? Saturn’s cloud cover. Hahahahahahaha



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1



Saturn's Atmosphere: All the Way Down

www.space.com...


Cloud patterns on Saturn

Saturn boasts some unique features in its atmosphere. When the Voyager missions traveled to the planet in the early 1980s, it imaged a hexagon-shaped cloud formation near the north pole. Twenty-five years later, infrared images taken by Cassini revealed the storm was still spinning, powered by jet streams that push it to speeds of about 220 mph (100 meters per second). At 15,000 miles (25,000 km) across, the long-lasting storm could easily contain an Earth or two.

Other features of Saturn are less long-lived. Gigantic thunderstorms known as Great White Spots occur once every Saturn year — that's once every three decades on Earth — around the northern hemisphere's summer solstice.

— Nola Taylor Redd, SPACE.com Contributor



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
Yes, you can gaze off into infinity on a clear night into space. What is preventing me using a 11” reflector telescope in the northern Hemisphere on a clear night from seeing stars only visible in the Southern Hemisphere. As you travel across the earth, stars don’t dim noticeable. They drop behind the curvature of the earth called the horizon.



A flat plane does NOT equate to having an infinite view of everything above it, from all points below...


Why would an extremely large flat surface always have an unlimited view of all things above it, over the entire surface?

Does the height of an object above a plane, limit one's ability to view the object, from below?

Get the idea here?



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1



A flat plane does NOT equate to having an infinite view of everything above it, from all points below..


That wasn’t the question.

The question was what is blocking the view on a clear night using a good telescope from a high point in the northern Hemisphere to see stars only visible in the Southern Hemisphere in the flat earth model. Especially in the context that starts do not noticeable dim as you travel across the Earth. They do drop below the horizon.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1



Why would an extremely large flat surface always have an unlimited view of all things above it, over the entire surface?


What would block the view on a flat plane of earth to prevent seeing the highest point of the celestial sphere marked my Polaris that is magnitudes higher than any given point of a flat earth mode.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1



Saturn's Atmosphere: All the Way Down

www.space.com...


Cloud patterns on Saturn

Saturn boasts some unique features in its atmosphere. When the Voyager missions traveled to the planet in the early 1980s, it imaged a hexagon-shaped cloud formation near the north pole. Twenty-five years later, infrared images taken by Cassini revealed the storm was still spinning, powered by jet streams that push it to speeds of about 220 mph (100 meters per second). At 15,000 miles (25,000 km) across, the long-lasting storm could easily contain an Earth or two.

Other features of Saturn are less long-lived. Gigantic thunderstorms known as Great White Spots occur once every Saturn year — that's once every three decades on Earth — around the northern hemisphere's summer solstice.

— Nola Taylor Redd, SPACE.com Contributor


Endless lies don't work anymore, sorry.

Evidence shows us the reality, now.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1



Does the height of an object above a plane, limit one's ability to view the object, from below?

Get the idea here?


Not when the weather is clear and a person has a set of really good binoculars or spy glass.

Please show where stars noticeable dim as one travelers the earth.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1



Saturn's Atmosphere: All the Way Down

www.space.com...


Cloud patterns on Saturn

Saturn boasts some unique features in its atmosphere. When the Voyager missions traveled to the planet in the early 1980s, it imaged a hexagon-shaped cloud formation near the north pole. Twenty-five years later, infrared images taken by Cassini revealed the storm was still spinning, powered by jet streams that push it to speeds of about 220 mph (100 meters per second). At 15,000 miles (25,000 km) across, the long-lasting storm could easily contain an Earth or two.

Other features of Saturn are less long-lived. Gigantic thunderstorms known as Great White Spots occur once every Saturn year — that's once every three decades on Earth — around the northern hemisphere's summer solstice.

— Nola Taylor Redd, SPACE.com Contributor


Endless lies don't work anymore, sorry.

Evidence shows us the reality, now.



What evidence turboLag?



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Again

Here is your list....

How can Polaris being at the apex of the celestial filament drop below the horizon when traveling south across the equator.

A blatant falsehood by turbo




Polaris is far too distant from Australia to be seen from there. It has nothing to do with the Earth being a ball. A plane can't be seen when it's too far away, either, but the plane is obviously seen when it is near enough, as we all know.


Where do you look in the Australian night sky to see Polaris with the naked eye or with a telescope?

You cannot say what would cause a brick thrown straight up into the air in the flat earth no gravity model reverse its direction to fall back to the earth. Specially in the context of Newton’s first law and your assertions of:




If gravity offers resistance to a rocket, why would a bird, or insect, not face any resistance, when flying above Earth, as the rocket supposedly does, when flying up from the Earth?


And



That is what gravity is supposed to do, is it not?

How do all the scientists prove such a force exists? They don't.

If this force existed, it would offer RESISTANCE to opposing forces, no?

But no resistance is offered at all. This proves there is no force at all.


With your own words, “But no resistance is offered at all. This proves there is no force at all.” Why would a brick thrown straight up into the air “care” if it is falling up away from earth in a less dense atmosphere? With “But no resistance is offered at all”. How is that different than a brick falling to earth because the atmosphere is less dense. What makes a brick thrown straight up into the air reverse direction and fall back to earth in the flat earth model?

What is the flat earth model answer to the retrograde of the visible plants path across the night sky the ancients called wanders?

If the moon is only 6000 miles away in the earth’s atmosphere, why doesn’t the flat earth society fly a blimp to the moon to make their case? They have time to take cruises full of alcohol, gambling, and debauchery? I bet the amount of money spent on one flat earth society booze cruise on alcohol and condoms would pay for a blimp mission.

The summer solstice for the northern Hemisphere is the northern Hemisphere’s longest period of daylight hours. For the flat earth model, how is the same day the Southern Hemisphere’s shortest period of daylight hours?

You ignore the biological effect of gravity.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

It’s ok turboLag. I know it’s hard to argue a fantasy like flat earth that has no physical evidence, the fantasy is in the ludicrous on Line bin, with you turboLag continuously contradicting yourself.

We will be nice and say it’s not easy being a “devils advocate” for flat earth.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 07:12 PM
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Airplane instruments measure this as being a flat Earth... what about your side?
edit on 26-4-2019 by turbonium1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Typical conspiracists. You have a short memory?
Typical conspiracists, reposting a talking point repeatedly debunked as it is the first time every time.

Did you comment on the below?



www.abovetopsecret.com...


Your babbling is even more discombobulated than usual

What does your stupid rant have to do with the article below?





Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!

flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...
flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

So that's a constant VERY SLOW PITCH rate of 0.00201° per second or just 0.12° per minute.

But does the pilot actually has to keep pitching forward?

No. Again, you have to understand how aircraft work.

Planes control pitch using a control surface called the Elevator (usually on the trailing edge of the Horizontal Stabilizer)

The Elevator does not directly control the Pitch of the Airplane - it controls the RATE OF PITCH.

I think that Flat Earthers don't understand this concept.

To maintain level flight the pilot must find BOTH the elevator trim and power setting which maintains a constant altitude - they mostly use the Vertical Speed indicator to make fine adjustments to elevator trim to find the constant pitch rate that keeps Vertical Speed near zero and then makes POWER SETTING adjustments as needed to hold that Vertical Speed with a fairly constant airspeed. If you want a higher airspeed you need to both increase power AND adjust the elevator trim so the pitch rate matches OR ELSE YOU WILL START CLIMBING.

This is a fact, I have personally flown small planes and they teach you about power control pretty much from Day #1. You climb & descent mostly by changing the power setting (which changes when you make other configuration changes such as increasing flaps).

Now, how is a pilot supposed to tell that a TINY fraction of the elevator trim has to do with the curvature rate as opposed to all of the other forces acting on the airplane? They couldn't possibly.

A curved gravity equipotential presents ABSOLUTELY ZERO issues for an airplane in flight.

So YES, the PLANE is (technically) constantly pitching forward as it flies the curvature of the Earth. But it doesn't feel like pitch because DOWN is changing at the same time and it's an incredibly slight rate of pitch overwhelmed by other dynamic forces acting on the aircraft.


Please point out one false fact from, “Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly“

edit on 26-4-2019 by neutronflux because: Clear up a very bad sentence or two



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 07:23 PM
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And you for got this gem from Box of Rain




www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is no visible star directly at the celestial south pole like Polaris is in the north. There is a visible star 1 degree away called Sigma Octantis, but it is just barely visible, and only when conditions are very dark. The Southern Cross, or Crux, is several degrees from the celestial south pole, but it is sometimes used to tell direction because it points to the celestial south pole

Here is a good video showing star trail rotations as seen in the Northern Hemisphere and the Southern hemisphere, each looking in all four cardinal directions.

Interestingly, because the person who posted this video didn't understand what he was looking at, he incorrectly thought the video proved a flat Earth, and posted it for that reason. However, this video actually shows exactly what would be expected from a globe Earth.




edit on 2019/3/30 by Box of Rain because: (no reason given)

edit on 26-4-2019 by neutronflux because: Tried to add video from Box of Rain



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Nothin

I think again there is a misunderstanding,

I mean specifically in those videos that turbo linked

saturn is bathed in so much light that there are no features to discern its 3d form , so how could you tell its spinning like a top from those videos , you cant because there is no surface features to show its rotation


yes but when we view a flat 2d image but it has light and shadow with identifiable features , from previous observations one could use their rational mind to conclude that the object is rotating,

how could anyone come to any other conclusion ?

based on their own experience of reality

You could ask every single human on earth what they think is happening and they would all say its rotating

What do you say ? oh its a projection flipping from image to image on a flat surface ?


there is no other way to view it

I could imagine all sorts of crap to explain it m y imagination could run wild , but under observation and with calculations it then reveals itself to be spherical .

We can even do the same here , if you take a spherical oject , say a white football with a smooth surface
bath it in enough sunlight so you cant make out any surface features

rotate it along its axis and video it , it would just look like a flat 2d surface from a distance
but then reduce the light and draw a mark on its surface such as a black circle , you can then see its rotating

Oh! Those vids in particular?
Agree that it seems difficult to reach any kind of a conclusion, just from those.

For looking at a 2d image with identifiable features: one could use their rational mind to reach conclusions, or one could use their rational mind, critical thinking, experience, knowledge, whatever, to hold-back from jumping to a conclusion.
Why would it have to be one way, rather than another?

For me: there's just too much that we've seen, from CGI, cinema, doctoring, art, image-manipulation, and others, to reach any conclusion.
Understand your point about the football: but here in the online world, there's just too much deception, (among other things), for me to reach any conclusions.

Did you really think my comment about them all being 2d images, was not worthy of any contemplation?
The comment was perhaps not made as lightly as some may presume.

Sometimes comments on ATS are flippant, sometimes quick-wit, sometimes more thoughtful, sometimes profound, and other flavors as well.
Sometimes folks play dumb. Sometimes not.

Don't know how to open your mind, to see if you are interested in questioning, even more that you already question?
Maybe it's just me, whom doesn't have the right formula?

We're talking about questioning absolutely EVERYTHING, and as odd as many many think: for me: this is a fine forum to do just that.
Because of the wide application of beliefs, and leap-of-faith conclusions.

edit on 26-4-2019 by Nothin because: sp



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 09:04 PM
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Because of the wide application of beliefs, and leap-of-faith conclusions.


There is no leap of faith in that flat earth is a blatant lie, only supported by pseudoscience and blatant falsehoods. Why do you think flat earth is in the ludicrous Online bin on a conspiracy site. Flat earth is even made fun of by most conspiracists because it has zero credibility.



posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Typical conspiracists. You have a short memory?
Typical conspiracists, reposting a talking point repeatedly debunked as it is the first time every time.

Did you comment on the below?



www.abovetopsecret.com...


Your babbling is even more discombobulated than usual

What does your stupid rant have to do with the article below?





Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!

flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...
flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

So that's a constant VERY SLOW PITCH rate of 0.00201° per second or just 0.12° per minute.

But does the pilot actually has to keep pitching forward?

No. Again, you have to understand how aircraft work.

Planes control pitch using a control surface called the Elevator (usually on the trailing edge of the Horizontal Stabilizer)

The Elevator does not directly control the Pitch of the Airplane - it controls the RATE OF PITCH.

I think that Flat Earthers don't understand this concept.

To maintain level flight the pilot must find BOTH the elevator trim and power setting which maintains a constant altitude - they mostly use the Vertical Speed indicator to make fine adjustments to elevator trim to find the constant pitch rate that keeps Vertical Speed near zero and then makes POWER SETTING adjustments as needed to hold that Vertical Speed with a fairly constant airspeed. If you want a higher airspeed you need to both increase power AND adjust the elevator trim so the pitch rate matches OR ELSE YOU WILL START CLIMBING.

This is a fact, I have personally flown small planes and they teach you about power control pretty much from Day #1. You climb & descent mostly by changing the power setting (which changes when you make other configuration changes such as increasing flaps).

Now, how is a pilot supposed to tell that a TINY fraction of the elevator trim has to do with the curvature rate as opposed to all of the other forces acting on the airplane? They couldn't possibly.

A curved gravity equipotential presents ABSOLUTELY ZERO issues for an airplane in flight.

So YES, the PLANE is (technically) constantly pitching forward as it flies the curvature of the Earth. But it doesn't feel like pitch because DOWN is changing at the same time and it's an incredibly slight rate of pitch overwhelmed by other dynamic forces acting on the aircraft.


Please point out one false fact from, “Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly“


I've already explained this, but I'll go over it, yet again -

They claim airplanes just happen to all 'pitch down' during flights. They 'pitch down' so gradually, so slightly, over a flight, in doing so.

But, why would planes 'pitch down', first of all, during every flight?

Why would planes not measure this 'pitch down' during their flights, as well?

Why would planes follow 'curvature' of Earth, without measuring it, without ever knowing it, and what makes planes unknowingly follow this 'curvature', anyway?

'Gravity' makes airplanes follow the 'curvature' of Earth, yes?

Would you know how 'gravity' - assuming it even existed - would make planes follow 'curvature' on all flights?


Airplanes fly in the atmosphere, measure the atmosphere, for level flights.

Level flight is measured in atmosphere, during flights. It has nothing to do with the surface below planes. How could planes follow 'curvature' of the Earth, when they DO NOT measure ANY of the surface, in the first place, to achieve level flights?

Planes can only measure level flights within the atmosphere around the plane itself, and nothing beyond that area.

If 'curvature' of Earth existed, around 8 inches per mile squared, then planes could not even measure over a fraction of an inch, during each and every mile, during flights...

The fact is that no mechanism exists in the Earth to 'hold planes to it's curvature', while reading it as 'level' on airplane instruments, at 40,000 feet altitude!


To ridicule those who claim the Earth is flat, after proving it is flat, with scientific instruments confirming it is flat, while trying to make up fantasy-tales to deny those instruments are correct....is really sad, indeed.


Instruments read level as 'level to the Earth's curvature', since planes follow curvature without even measuring it, or knowing how it was measured as level, at 40,000 feet above the surface, which was actually not level, at all, only it measures as level, anyhoo!











posted on Apr, 26 2019 @ 11:31 PM
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To suggest instruments reading level are not reading level at all, they are measuring 'level to Earth's curvature', which we know is not true, because level is measuring atmosphere around the plane as LEVEL, shows that proof is not ever going to change your 'religious beliefs'.

Why do you keep on demanding to see proof, that the Earth is flat, when that proof has been shown to you, has been clearly explained to you, again and again?


Anything you are presented as proof of the flat Earth will never convince you of it, because you'll always spew about 'gravity', which solves all troubles like magic!



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 06:50 AM
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You


Instruments read level as 'level to the Earth's curvature


So, please name the instrument on a jet that specifically measures how level the surface of the earth is?
edit on 27-4-2019 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 07:03 AM
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You again


To suggest instruments reading level are not reading level at all, they are measuring 'level to Earth's curvature


Using your logic.....

So what instrument “spikes” when a jet flying at 30,000 feet above sea level flys over a Mountain that it’s highest point is 20,000 feet above see level.

You claim “Instruments read level as 'level to the Earth's curvature” So what is this instrument that measures earth curve that should spike when passing over mountains?

No matter how rough the earth’s terrain, pilots level out the aircraft for passages confront.



posted on Apr, 27 2019 @ 07:08 AM
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Now. Please discuss how the below which debunks you logical inaccurate argument is false.



Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!

flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

The Elevator does not directly control the Pitch of the Airplane - it controls the RATE OF PITCH.

I think that Flat Earthers don't understand this concept.

To maintain level flight the pilot must find BOTH the elevator trim and power setting which maintains a constant altitude - they mostly use the Vertical Speed indicator to make fine adjustments to elevator trim to find the constant pitch rate that keeps Vertical Speed near zero and then makes POWER SETTING adjustments as needed to hold that Vertical Speed with a fairly constant airspeed. If you want a higher airspeed you need to both increase power AND adjust the elevator trim so the pitch rate matches OR ELSE YOU WILL START CLIMBING.

This is a fact, I have personally flown small planes and they teach you about power control pretty much from Day #1. You climb & descent mostly by changing the power setting (which changes when you make other configuration changes such as increasing flaps).

Now, how is a pilot supposed to tell that a TINY fraction of the elevator trim has to do with the curvature rate as opposed to all of the other forces acting on the airplane? They couldn't possibly.

A curved gravity equipotential presents ABSOLUTELY ZERO issues for an airplane in flight.

So YES, the PLANE is (technically) constantly pitching forward as it flies the curvature of the Earth. But it doesn't feel like pitch because DOWN is changing at the same time and it's an incredibly slight rate of pitch overwhelmed by other dynamic forces acting on the aircraft.




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