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posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 04:57 PM
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Here's another problem -

If 'gravity' is a real force, it must work like all other real forces, and prove it is a real force, as well..


Gravity is supposedly holding all objects down to Earth's surface, and 'pulls' all objects down to Earth's surface.

That is what gravity is supposed to do, is it not?

How do all the scientists prove such a force exists? They don't.


If this force existed, it would offer RESISTANCE to opposing forces, no?


But no resistance is offered at all. This proves there is no force at all.



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 05:14 PM
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If you claim gravity is holding objects to Earth, but spacecraft can 'break' free of this great, powerful force, using tremendous force of rocket engines.....that is because gravity offers RESISTANCE to opposing forces, correct?


What about birds, and insects? They don't have any resistance from a force, at all!!


You see the problem here?



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

ya the only problem is you don't have a clue

Birds fly using air pressure... And IF you think theres no resistance to gravity, stand for a few hours....

Or just.... drop something...


Ever see something fall sideways?




posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

you . . . you literally can't process reality. You're quite literally denying the existence of forces you're experiencing as you type this nonsense. I wouldn't doubt that you could stand in front of a room of people and with total sincerity say "I am not here"



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

So who is the leading flat earth scientist? Can you cite any of the leading scientist’s peer reviewed papers? Published articles?


Appealing to authority doesn't work, sorry.

The question you should ask is why every single 'scientist' universally agrees on an issue, when they have never agreed on anything else before, even on well-established physical laws!! Quantum physics is an example of that.

Look at quantum physics, compared to 'classical physics'...

If they don't even agree on physical laws, how can they all agree on anything else?



As if.


Like you have any credibility my delusion troll.

To recap...

What do you not get that flat earth is a blatant lie. Flat earth is an abomination to any person with the most basic of star gazing knowledge.

Would you care to explain why there are different star maps for the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. Why those maps are based off two completely different celestial poles. A celestial pole for the Southern Hemisphere and a completely different celestial pole for the northern Hemisphere?

Or care to explain why some of the visible plants by the naked eye were called wanders by ancient star gazers?

How can the day with the most hours of daylight for the northern Hemisphere’s summer solstice result in the Southern Hemisphere’s day with the least amount of daylight?

Why is there a northern celestial pole that is completely different than the Southern celestial pole?

And the best for last By captainpudding

“please tell me the azimuth and inclination of where I would need to look tonight in Sydney, Australia to see Polaris. If you can't provide this information, the Earth can't be flat, it's really that simple“
edit on 5-4-2019 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

What was your reply to the below statement?

Your are a loon. Gravity keeps you pulled to the floor. If the floor is weak, then you are pulled through the floor. Using your logic, a person should be able to walk out on a floor made out of 1/16” thick sheet of lead as long as the total weight of the lead sheet is more than the person. That is not the case.

Is it false lead is more dense than a person? Is it false a floor made out of 1/16” lead can be big enough in square feet to weigh more than a person? Yet, I would say a person walking out on a floor made of 1/16” thick sheet of lead would tear through the lead sheet.

So, what keeps the atmosphere from floating away?



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1



If you claim gravity is holding objects to Earth, but spacecraft can 'break' free of this great, powerful force, using tremendous force of rocket engines.....that is because gravity offers RESISTANCE to opposing forces, correct?


This is totally an unfounded statement. You can pull magnets apparat by hand. You can brake apart atoms held together by nuclear forces with nuclear reactions.

Why would a rocket that can produce more force of thrust than the pulling force of gravity not lift off? It’s about the net result of forces.

There is actually no logic to your argument. Zero. None.



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1



If you claim gravity is holding objects to Earth, but spacecraft can 'break' free of this great, powerful force, using tremendous force of rocket engines.....that is because gravity offers RESISTANCE to opposing forces, correct?


This is totally an unfounded statement. You can pull magnets apparat by hand. You can brake apart atoms held together by nuclear forces with nuclear reactions.

Why would a rocket that can produce more force of thrust than the pulling force of gravity not lift off? It’s about the net result of forces.

There is actually no logic to your argument. Zero. None.


It's actually gravity that's not logical, here...

As you said, magnets can be pulled apart by hand. The magnetic force offers resistance to an opposing force of hands pulling them apart, right? If we could pull them apart without any resistance, then there is no magnetic force, right?

You believe a rocket 'breaks free' of gravity, by going upwards, against the force of gravity, which offers resistance against the opposing force of that rocket, right?


If gravity offers resistance to a rocket, why would a bird, or insect, not face any resistance, when flying above Earth, as the rocket supposedly does, when flying up from the Earth?


It's very illogical, indeed.



What force offers no resistance to an opposing force, is not any real force at all.


A force is stronger at the source of said force, and weaker when further from the source....like magnets, for example.


Gravity is not a force at all, for birds or insects, which are very close to Earth, which is supposedly where the source exists.

A rocket is much further from the source, yet up until then, it does not have to 'break free' from the force??!!



It's pure nonsense.



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Just how ignorant are you?


If gravity offers resistance to a rocket, why would a bird, or insect, not face any resistance, when flying above Earth, as the rocket supposedly does, when flying up from the Earth?


By the same principle of how an airplane flys. Is called lift. The bird or insect creates no lift sitting still. The bird or insect starts to flap their wings which results in no change in mass or density. The wing motion creates low pressure above the wing with greater pressure under the wing. This creates lift. The lift results in a greater force than gravities pull resulting in flight. This becomes less efficient at higher altitudes where the atmosphere because increasingly thin.

A rocket when launched creates no motion from wings to produce lift. The rocket expels gasses at great pressure from burning solids or vaporized liquids to create thrust.


Now please answer to the below based of your assumptions there is no gravity

Gravity keeps you pulled to the floor. If the floor is weak, then you are pulled through the floor. Using your logic, a person should be able to walk out on a floor made out of 1/16” thick sheet of lead as long as the total weight of the lead sheet is more than the person. That is not the case.

Is it false lead is more dense than a person? Is it false a floor made out of 1/16” lead can be big enough in square feet to weigh more than a person? Yet, I would say a person walking out on a floor made of 1/16” thick sheet of lead would tear through the lead sheet.

So, what keeps the atmosphere from floating away?

And your list...
What do you not get that flat earth is a blatant lie. Flat earth is an abomination to any person with the most basic of star gazing knowledge.

Would you care to explain why there are different star maps for the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. Why those maps are based off two completely different celestial poles. A celestial pole for the Southern Hemisphere and a completely different celestial pole for the northern Hemisphere?

Or care to explain why some of the visible plants by the naked eye were called wanders by ancient star gazers?

How can the day with the most hours of daylight for the northern Hemisphere’s summer solstice result in the Southern Hemisphere’s day with the least amount of daylight?

Why is there a northern celestial pole that is completely different than the Southern celestial pole?

And the best for last By captainpudding

“please tell me the azimuth and inclination of where I would need to look tonight in Sydney, Australia to see Polaris. If you can't provide this information, the Earth can't be flat, it's really that simple“


edit on 5-4-2019 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed



posted on Apr, 5 2019 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

The answers to all your questions:

*arm waves*



posted on Apr, 6 2019 @ 03:27 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Just how ignorant are you?


If gravity offers resistance to a rocket, why would a bird, or insect, not face any resistance, when flying above Earth, as the rocket supposedly does, when flying up from the Earth?


By the same principle of how an airplane flys. Is called lift. The bird or insect creates no lift sitting still. The bird or insect starts to flap their wings which results in no change in mass or density. The wing motion creates low pressure above the wing with greater pressure under the wing. This creates lift. The lift results in a greater force than gravities pull resulting in flight. This becomes less efficient at higher altitudes where the atmosphere because increasingly thin.



If you believe gravity cannot resist the opposing force of an insect, or a bird, then you would believe in such magical forces existing only in a fantasy-land...

All forces must offer resistance to opposing forces.

You fail to grasp that point, so let me explain it, once more, as simply as possible, so you understand why gravity is not really an actual force, as claimed...

You say a bird uses lift to fly above Earth, which is correct. Birds have wings, to lift themselves above the ground.

A bird uses force to lift above the Earth.


But you also claim that a force in Earth, the most powerful force in the universe, which pulls all objects down to Earth, and holds them on Earth...cannot even force a bird from flying above Earth!!

If you believe objects are pulled down to Earth by a great force, every object would be held to Earth, and it would offer equivalently powerful RESISTANCE to any object, opposing this force...

Are you seriously suggesting a bird overcomes resistance of a powerful force...this one tops them all...

Explain how it resists a bird freely flying above the Earth.... if you can...


If there WAS resistance from gravity, birds would NEVER be able to fly above the Earth, or even close to it. Nor would insects fly above Earth, either.

When you claim there is a powerful force within Earth, which holds all objects to Earth, which pulls down objects to the surface, you need to prove it exists, as a force, and prove that it can work, exactly how it is claimed to work, as well...


Actual forces offer resistance to opposing forces - there are no exceptions.

To claim there is resistance to birds which fly above Earth....yikes...


Think about how actual forces work, how we have proven actual forces exist, how an actual force acts, and so forth...

Gravity is nothing but a clever invention to explain whatever cannot be excused otherwise. Gravity can - explain - all things, and still does...


Actual force offers resistance to an opposing force.



posted on Apr, 6 2019 @ 04:29 AM
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(Facepalm)
People - HE'S TROLLING US ALL FOR 'WTF? How stupid can this guy be???' REACTIONS!
Seriously, stop reacting to him. This thread has hit 86 pages of insanity.



posted on Apr, 6 2019 @ 05:38 AM
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a reply to: AngryCymraeg

We are LOLing...

tis the right forum




posted on Apr, 6 2019 @ 06:17 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
(Facepalm)
People - HE'S TROLLING US ALL FOR 'WTF? How stupid can this guy be???' REACTIONS!
Seriously, stop reacting to him. This thread has hit 86 pages of insanity.


You tell them to stop reacting, by reacting, so how stupid can you be, really...

This is all rather childish, so let us move along, now



posted on Apr, 6 2019 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: AngryCymraeg

We are LOLing...

tis the right forum



No, but the space forum would suit it quite perfectly, though.



posted on Apr, 6 2019 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1



If you believe gravity cannot resist the opposing force of an insect, or a bird, then you would believe in such magical forces existing only in a fantasy-land...
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What magical forces? You need to answer to the below.

Gravity keeps you pulled to the floor. If the floor is weak, then you are pulled through the floor. Using your logic, a person should be able to walk out on a floor made out of 1/16” thick sheet of lead as long as the total weight of the lead sheet is more than the person. That is not the case.

Is it false lead is more dense than a person? Is it false a floor made out of 1/16” lead can be big enough in square feet to weigh more than a person? Yet, I would say a person walking out on a floor made of 1/16” thick sheet of lead would tear through the lead sheet.



All forces must offer resistance to opposing forces.


Quote where I ever said gravity doesn’t offer resistance. In fact, I talked in terms of net force. The thrust of a rocket creates more thrust than the pull of gravity. Gravity is still causing strain on the rocket, and the rocket has to be properly designed for that strain.

Now. What keeps the planets orbiting the sun. I can use a telescope and see moons orbiting Jupiter. What keeps Jupiter’s moons in orbit. What force in the vacuum of space pulls comets in to plants and causes deflections in comets orbits.



But you also claim that a force in Earth, the most powerful force in the universe,


Blatant Lies by you. Please quote where I ever made such a claim. In fact, gravity is a relatively weak force. Why does your arguments hinge on blatant lies.



Gravity is Really Weak?

solar-center.stanford.edu...

Well it turns out that Gravity is the weakest of the 4 forces and it isn't just a little bit weaker. It is weaker than you can even imagine!


If it’s about earth’s atmosphere, why do objects essentially fall at the same rate in a vacuum in a vacuum chamber on earth. Vs in the atmosphere.

Why do birds visibly drop when they stop producing lift with their wings?




Think about how actual forces work,


What force are you referring to? If gravity is not real. Your own words betray you. And you only offer lies and pseudoscience.
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posted on Apr, 6 2019 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

And here is your list.....

What do you not get that flat earth is a blatant lie. Flat earth is an abomination to any person with the most basic of star gazing knowledge.

Would you care to explain why there are different star maps for the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. Why those maps are based off two completely different celestial poles. A celestial pole for the Southern Hemisphere and a completely different celestial pole for the northern Hemisphere?

Or care to explain why some of the visible plants by the naked eye were called wanders by ancient star gazers?

How can the day with the most hours of daylight for the northern Hemisphere’s summer solstice result in the Southern Hemisphere’s day with the least amount of daylight?

Why is there a northern celestial pole that is completely different than the Southern celestial pole?

And the best for last By captainpudding

“please tell me the azimuth and inclination of where I would need to look tonight in Sydney, Australia to see Polaris. If you can't provide this information, the Earth can't be flat, it's really that simple“



posted on Apr, 6 2019 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
(Facepalm)
People - HE'S TROLLING US ALL FOR 'WTF? How stupid can this guy be???' REACTIONS!
Seriously, stop reacting to him. This thread has hit 86 pages of insanity.


I hope so. I cannot believe anyone would so blatantly ignore the mechanics of the night sky and the solar system.

If the individual is role playing, that’s their business. It’s an entirely different matter if you want to debate pseudoscience as fact.


But.......


Welcome to the Flat Earth Society, and thank you for taking the time to go through this FAQ.

It was created to address the many misconceptions a Round Earther may have about the Flat Earth Theory, and to act as an easily-accessible entry point into the mainstream Flat Earth model.

wiki.tfes.org...


There are whole groups pushing the falsehoods and blatant lies of flat earth.

And Turbo is showcasing classic conspiracy delusion syndrome.

Turbo posted what they thought was inconvertible evidence of flat earth. That got smacked down and trashed for the lies and pseudoscience it is.

Then Turbo moved to the classic misquoting and blatant lying about what people posted regarding all evidence points to a curved earth.

Now, Turbo doesn’t want to acknowledge the flat earth movement is a bunch of charlatans that push blatant lies. Is afraid to post flat earth taking points. Turbo will never denounce the lies of the flat earth movement for the sake of truth, or decency.

Turbo maintains the cult of flat earth by ignoring the charlatans in the cult of flat earth, and only can resort to NASA, other space agencies, star charts, the farmers almanac, the current model of the solar system, gravity, and the kid that can see moons orbiting Jupiter are the items that are a lie. The classic It’s all lies.

I don’t care if Turbo actually believes in flat earth or not. However, the individual is pushing fantasies as reality, and trying to get people on the flat earth wagon.


edit on 6-4-2019 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed


(post by neutronflux removed for a manners violation)

posted on Apr, 6 2019 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

It's a beautiful clear night in Sydney, about those coordinates?



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