Flat earth theory?

originally posted by: JameSimon
Regarding the whole "continents change size, therefore photos must be false" argument, there is actually a very simple experiment one can perform at home with nothing but a globe (or a white soccer ball, just draw some continents on it) and a camera (your smartphone should suffice. Here's how to set it up:

1 - Place the ball in a stationary spot
2 - take a photo of the ball 50cm away from said ball so that its diameter fits your screen / viewfinder top to bottom, granted you're in landscape mode.
3 - take another photo, this time at about 2m. If required, zoom in so that the ball covers your screen top to bottom
4 - repeat the same at 10 meters.

You may not be able to zoom in that far with a phone, which is fair enough, but since cameras have got 10+ mpx these days you can crop the photo.

You'll clearly observe that even when the balls are matched 1:1 in size the continents will appear bigger the closer you are to that ball.

For the sake of accuracy you must use the same camera and the same lens, and preferably use a lens that doesn't introduce much lens distortion.

I'm eagerly awaiting for your results.

Gonna quote myself, hope the mods don't mind. I challenge ALL flat earthers to prove that the continents stay the same size relative to the ball when the above is performed. Please post unedited pictures so that we can confirm the metadata and the necessary cropped ones. This should rule out fakery and provide added strength to your tangible proof.

If no flat earthers at least acknowledge this challenge I will be flagging your comments for review for trolling. It's ok if you don't want to run the experiment, it's not ok to continue trolling this page time and again.

originally posted by: JameSimon

originally posted by: JameSimon
Regarding the whole "continents change size, therefore photos must be false" argument, there is actually a very simple experiment one can perform at home with nothing but a globe (or a white soccer ball, just draw some continents on it) and a camera (your smartphone should suffice. Here's how to set it up:

1 - Place the ball in a stationary spot
2 - take a photo of the ball 50cm away from said ball so that its diameter fits your screen / viewfinder top to bottom, granted you're in landscape mode.
3 - take another photo, this time at about 2m. If required, zoom in so that the ball covers your screen top to bottom
4 - repeat the same at 10 meters.

You may not be able to zoom in that far with a phone, which is fair enough, but since cameras have got 10+ mpx these days you can crop the photo.

You'll clearly observe that even when the balls are matched 1:1 in size the continents will appear bigger the closer you are to that ball.

For the sake of accuracy you must use the same camera and the same lens, and preferably use a lens that doesn't introduce much lens distortion.

I'm eagerly awaiting for your results.

Gonna quote myself, hope the mods don't mind. I challenge ALL flat earthers to prove that the continents stay the same size relative to the ball when the above is performed. Please post unedited pictures so that we can confirm the metadata and the necessary cropped ones. This should rule out fakery and provide added strength to your tangible proof.

If no flat earthers at least acknowledge this challenge I will be flagging your comments for review for trolling. It's ok if you don't want to run the experiment, it's not ok to continue trolling this page time and again.

What makes you think you have any authority to make such demands, and challenges, when you haven't even replied to the questions and challenges asked of you?

18th post on page 33

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: JameSimon

dont hold your breath - waiting for results from flat earth proponents

your request would require them both to do something - and then be honest about it

Is it as bad as waiting for Iggy, the ATS Flat-Earth expert, to answer the questions that have been asked multiple times of him, that he continues to avoid?

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Nothin

No just accidental and I hadn't noticed until now you pointed it out to me

but I don't really care how it looks to you , because you didn't ante up when asked !

it's cool everyone can see that its my post , if they have been following the thread , because I don't express myself the same way you do , I sometimes use colloquial Scots language "aye ok then" , "aww the best"

I know for a fact you wouldn't say that , so calling me out for trying to be dishonest and make it look like I'm quoting you is absolute rubbish , you are just trying to use that somehow to make me out to be dishonest, but I've not been dishonest with you or anyone else in this thread !

So rather than attack my points about the objectivity of reality and objective facts your blatant refusal to use reason and to approach the experiment amicably and with the goal of finding truth , you #e it and say its not for you !

you just shift the goal posts every single time, and now I'm done entertaining your delusion you try to brand me as dishonest to somehow bolster your already failed attempt to convince ATS that somehow all of science is fallacy!

I normally dont hold any expectations of anyone or anything to save disappointment , but I did fully expect you to attack me personally as soon as your delusion juice ran out !

cheery bye noo!

Are you still working on getting those scientists to state that science is truth?
Did you make a post in the forum, to ask that same question, as suggested?

Do you not realize that your posts are still full of statements?
Does this not indicate that one is sure of something, as in they think it is truth?
If there is any bit of false or incorrect info in those statements, does it not make the statement 100% false?

If one sees falseness in many of your statements, why would that one be interested in your version of 'reason'?

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: Itisnowagain


Check the motto of the site DENY Ignorance the Earth is not flat only idiots believe it is.

Do you really believe that you are denying ignorance, by calling people ..."idiots..."...?

What if some of your beliefs are found to be false, would that not be ignorance, by your own standards?
Are you so sure of yourself?

a reply to: Nothin

I find "morons" as more appropriate for flat earthers actually...

Theres only so many words that work with such a ridiculous belief

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Nothin

I find "morons" is more appropriate for flat earthers actually...

Theres only so many words that work with such a ridiculous belief

Yeah! You sure have just-about used-up that word in this thread!

What if any of your beliefs were ridiculous?
What would that make you?

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: Itisnowagain


Check the motto of the site DENY Ignorance the Earth is not flat only idiots believe it is.

Do you really believe that you are denying ignorance, by calling people ..."idiots..."...?

What if some of your beliefs are found to be false, would that not be ignorance, by your own standards?
Are you so sure of yourself?

I wouldn't call someone an idiot its just not n8ce picking on mentally impaired people. They really can't help being stupid its usually just a lack of a decent education.

People are taught information and now we have it at our finger tips. But schools never taught how to use information to make logical conclusions. Throwing information at someone without teaching them how to process information leads to people who cannot tell a stupid statement from a statement of fact.

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Nothin

I find "morons" is more appropriate for flat earthers actually...

Theres only so many words that work with such a ridiculous belief

Yeah! You sure have just-about used-up that word in this thread!

What if any of your beliefs were ridiculous?
What would that make you?

Someone who understands the world isn't flat?

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: JameSimon

originally posted by: JameSimon
Regarding the whole "continents change size, therefore photos must be false" argument, there is actually a very simple experiment one can perform at home with nothing but a globe (or a white soccer ball, just draw some continents on it) and a camera (your smartphone should suffice. Here's how to set it up:

1 - Place the ball in a stationary spot
2 - take a photo of the ball 50cm away from said ball so that its diameter fits your screen / viewfinder top to bottom, granted you're in landscape mode.
3 - take another photo, this time at about 2m. If required, zoom in so that the ball covers your screen top to bottom
4 - repeat the same at 10 meters.

You may not be able to zoom in that far with a phone, which is fair enough, but since cameras have got 10+ mpx these days you can crop the photo.

You'll clearly observe that even when the balls are matched 1:1 in size the continents will appear bigger the closer you are to that ball.

For the sake of accuracy you must use the same camera and the same lens, and preferably use a lens that doesn't introduce much lens distortion.

I'm eagerly awaiting for your results.

Gonna quote myself, hope the mods don't mind. I challenge ALL flat earthers to prove that the continents stay the same size relative to the ball when the above is performed. Please post unedited pictures so that we can confirm the metadata and the necessary cropped ones. This should rule out fakery and provide added strength to your tangible proof.

If no flat earthers at least acknowledge this challenge I will be flagging your comments for review for trolling. It's ok if you don't want to run the experiment, it's not ok to continue trolling this page time and again.

What makes you think you have any authority to make such demands, and challenges, when you haven't even replied to the questions and challenges asked of you?

18th post on page 33

What questions and challenges? I can only see an idiotic questions about 3D and accepting reality. I don't use 3D glasses, they give me migrain. I also don't accept what I see with my eyes as I'm color blind. I do need to run my observations with third party calculus or independent observations, in case I want them validated scientifically.


Now, are you actually going to try a scientific experiment or will you keep deflecting? One more try.

And I do have the authority to threaten to flag your comments as you don't address anything people ask you here. You and the turbine fella.

a reply to: Nothin

Am I sure sure the Earth is not flat yes 100%, do I think anyone who looks at ALL the evidence still claims/thinks it's flat is an idiot yes

So, to adapt the previous to my observations:

I saw a bring thing in the sky that didn't look circular. It was really bright and moving really fast. My theory was that it could be a meteor, a plane, a UFO or the ISS.

I ruled out planes because of the lack of lights and the proximity to the airport: there are no commercial flights overing that area and the object was lit at night, close to sunshine, which meant it was flying high. I the ruled out a meteor based on the lack of tail and on the apparently parallel Path taken by the object. This left me with UFO. Since I can't prove that I saw an alien craft, o moved to ISS and went to both official sources (can't quote the exact website at the moment, this was a while ago) and amateur websites to track both the known path and share pictures. The path was consistent with my observations in multiple sources, and the pictures from the event closely matched my observations.

The brightness of the object can be explained by the sun, which was due to rise in about 1 to 2 hours. To confirm this, I tracked the expected sunrise and sunset and calculated how high the object needed to be to the captured by the sun and reflect light. This again matched the ISS theory. So yes, it was the ISS, and all proof confirms this. This also confirms that the flat earth is nonsense.

So now that I explained my process please, humor me, setup the experiment and prove to all of us your theory matches your observations.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: Nothin

Am I sure sure the Earth is not flat yes 100%, do I think anyone who looks at ALL the evidence still claims/thinks it's flat is an idiot yes

I would like to make a distiction between idiots and morons...

Since i have a few beers left...How do we define Stupidity?

It seems they have an intimate relationship, but there are differences

a reply to: Nothin

Nothin out here dodging bullets like Neo in the matrix !

we are not discussing the philosophy of reason , nor are we here to get scientists to say they are finding truth.

We are discussing the objective facts of the debate between flat earth and spherical earth, and the facts speak for themselves!

Yet here you are still debating reason, reality , and the philosophy of truth!

that is not what we are discussing , you have purposefully taken the discussion that way because you cant debate the facts!

Ok I will get the very guy who started the ask anything Phyiscs thread shall I

originally posted by: KawaiiLean420
a reply to: Somethingsamiss

I dont believe in flat earth, but I've got a feeling that we cant know for sure untill we see it with our own eyes

We've seen it with our own eyes. There's tons of pictures online. Look them up.

flat earth debate

objective facts provided by multiple accounts from across history and the globe
which are evidence of a spherical earth model

flat earthers cant refute the facts which speak in favour of spherical earth

flat earthers shift debate into , attacks on persons supporting spherical earth
shift debate into questioning human perceptions and reality
and states of consciousness in attempt to bring into question the validity of human perception
bring into attack human scientific achievement in order to undermine scientific method as scientism
through personal incredulity and willful ignorance they refuse to approach truth by refusing to partake in experiments
which will either prove or disprove flat earth and /or spherical model in one experiment
goal posts continually shifted by flat earthers because they cannot reasonably refute the evidence
which supports spherical earth model.

oh i'm terrible at it , but someone please provide a formula for this , as the pattern is the same every time

the best of it is , they say "oh human perceptions are not reliable "

the same ones you use to say the earth is a flat plane !

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
There is a repeatable experiment to prove gravity, a very simple one you can repeat over and over

You will get the same results every time you do it, every time.

Is that not solid evidence even proof that if you repeat an experiment over and over and keep getting the same result that it means that its quite proven to exist?

No, it shows the same result, not the reason(s) for this same result.

You assume the reason first, without proving it exists.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: turbonium1

A descent of about 5 feet per minute would be required to follow the curvature.

Anything else?

Yeah my mum was once giving me directions and said turn left about 20 seconds after the lights, makes sense to not include speed or are we assuming you mean freefall speed, as long as its dropping 5 feet per minute it does not matter what speed it is doing? do planes fly at a constant speed? as for my mums directions I took the wrong turn

oh and this image is from a recent video which is in a favour of a flat earth, honestly can you tell me what you see

The video is not accurate, whether or not it's supposed to support the flat earth argument.

Curvature has to be accounted for, and it's yet to be shown to exist.

a reply to: turbonium1

Curvature has been accounted for more times then anyone can count in this and many other threads...

Just because you're too thick to realise it does not make it any less "accounted for"

And your theories on level flight making the curvature not accounted for are pure bullsh!t… and I think you know it

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Curvature has been accounted for more times then anyone can count in this and many other threads...

Just because you're too thick to realise it does not make it any less "accounted for"

And your theories on level flight making the curvature not accounted for are pure bullsh!t… and I think you know it

Instruments are not bs, I think you know that.