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Flat earth theory?

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posted on Sep, 18 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

A descent of about 5 feet per minute would be required to follow the curvature.

Anything else?


Yeah my mum was once giving me directions and said turn left about 20 seconds after the lights, makes sense to not include speed or are we assuming you mean freefall speed, as long as its dropping 5 feet per minute it does not matter what speed it is doing? do planes fly at a constant speed? as for my mums directions I took the wrong turn


oh and this image is from a recent video which is in a favour of a flat earth, honestly can you tell me what you see




posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 02:39 AM
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Regarding the whole "continents change size, therefore photos must be false" argument, there is actually a very simple experiment one can perform at home with nothing but a globe (or a white soccer ball, just draw some continents on it) and a camera (your smartphone should suffice. Here's how to set it up:

1 - Place the ball in a stationary spot
2 - take a photo of the ball 50cm away from said ball so that its diameter fits your screen / viewfinder top to bottom, granted you're in landscape mode.
3 - take another photo, this time at about 2m. If required, zoom in so that the ball covers your screen top to bottom
4 - repeat the same at 10 meters.

You may not be able to zoom in that far with a phone, which is fair enough, but since cameras have got 10+ mpx these days you can crop the photo.

You'll clearly observe that even when the balls are matched 1:1 in size the continents will appear bigger the closer you are to that ball.

For the sake of accuracy you must use the same camera and the same lens, and preferably use a lens that doesn't introduce much lens distortion.

I'm eagerly awaiting for your results.



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 02:50 AM
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a reply to: JameSimon

dont hold your breath - waiting for results from flat earth proponents

your request would require them both to do something - and then be honest about it



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 05:44 AM
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a reply to: Nothin

No just accidental and I hadn't noticed until now you pointed it out to me

but I don't really care how it looks to you , because you didn't ante up when asked !

it's cool everyone can see that its my post , if they have been following the thread , because I don't express myself the same way you do , I sometimes use colloquial Scots language "aye ok then" , "aww the best"

I know for a fact you wouldn't say that , so calling me out for trying to be dishonest and make it look like I'm quoting you is absolute rubbish , you are just trying to use that somehow to make me out to be dishonest, but I've not been dishonest with you or anyone else in this thread !

So rather than attack my points about the objectivity of reality and objective facts your blatant refusal to use reason and to approach the experiment amicably and with the goal of finding truth , you #e it and say its not for you !

you just shift the goal posts every single time, and now I'm done entertaining your delusion you try to brand me as dishonest to somehow bolster your already failed attempt to convince ATS that somehow all of science is fallacy!

I normally dont hold any expectations of anyone or anything to save disappointment , but I did fully expect you to attack me personally as soon as your delusion juice ran out !

cheery bye noo!













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posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 05:50 AM
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42 pages of people trying to uphold their belief system...arguing and being horrible to each other...keep it up ...it's just what the powers that be want.
Divide and conquer.

Love thy neighbour as thyself...
Where is the love??



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: UpIsNowDown

Oh! OH! NOW THAT'S easy!

See, the camera lens is curved, right? So it has to produce a Curved Image, see? Do you see? Seeeee?

/s



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 05:52 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

True, those flat-earthers are really trying to pull us apart.
What a bunch of people, thankfully they are in small numbers and will stay so if not dwindle away.



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 06:29 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

objective facts don't require anyone to believe in them!



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Itisnowagain

objective facts don't require anyone to believe in them!

I had to go online to find the definition of 'objective fact'.............can't find one.
Can you please define what 'objective fact' means to you? Or post a quote from online of what 'objective fact' means please.
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posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

Of course , it means the same thing to me as it does to every other human who uses the english language

you wont find a definition of the statement !

they are obviously two words in a statement

"objective" and "fact"

Objective:


(of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. "historians try to be objective and impartial" synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, non-partisan, disinterested, non-discriminatory, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, impersonal, unemotional, clinical "an interviewer must try to be objective"



Fact:

a thing that is known or proved to be true.



now don't you go wondering of into philosophical debates on "truth"

as that is not what is being debated here



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posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Thank you.



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

and just while we are here

Belief :


an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. "his belief in extraterrestrial life"


pay special attention to "acceptance" and "without proof"


You need to remember you will spend a lot of time in semantics in the flat earth theory debate threads!



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posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 06:52 AM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Itisnowagain

and just while we are here

Belief :


an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. "his belief in extraterrestrial life"



What was the first 'thing' to be believed in.............which is not true?



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 06:59 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

I really don't know , because belief of something normally doesn't have any proof , hence why there is acceptance and ultimately belief!

Hmm just off the top of my head Santa Clause (my own personal experience of reality , I believed in santa with no proof , and it wasnt true (i still weep inside ) ) (christmas gets boring when you get too old for transformers anyway))
kids believe in santa with no proof !



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posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

You believe you are a thing don't you?



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

No , I dont believe I am a thing , I know I am a human being
as established by the facts .


Yet here we go once again , discussing the philosophy of truth and belief
which has nothing to do with the flat earth / spherical earth debate
its all about the objective facts , which speak for themselves to anyone with a reasonable mind.

It would be different if I know I am a human but believe I am for sake of the internet meme (an attack helicopter)
the facts would still tell me that I am a human , if I were to look objectively at my existence , I could observe
that I have all the same features as a human , therefore the only conclusion would be that I am human .
I have zero proof or evidence I am an attack helicopter yet I truly believe it , I don't have a tail rotor or primary rotor
I dont have stabilising wings , nor do I have ordnance hardpoints , I neither have an advanced radar system built into my nose
and I dont have a Gau gatling gun under my chin either!


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posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain


Check the motto of the site DENY Ignorance the Earth is not flat only idiots believe it is.



posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: sapien82


the facts would still tell me that I am a human , if I were to look objectively at my existence , I could observe
that I have all the same features as a human , therefore the only conclusion would be that I am human .

You observe.........you are aware.
How could you know what anything looked like if your primary being was not observingness?
You are the seeing of what is arising..............ever present.
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posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

and once more into the philosophy of reality !

We aren't discussing or debating the philosophy of human understanding and consciousness and how that works in reality

we are discussing the debate of flat earth vs spherical earth as based on the objective facts of reality.

my belief that consciousness manifests reality doesn't have any affect on the objective facts which prove the earth is spherical

but we aren't discussing my belief in a mind before matter universe or reality we aren't even discussing the reality of consciousness, we are discussing the evidence and facts which lead to the conclusive answer that the earth is spherical in nature and not a flat plane.


I'm sure someone with a little bit more time on their hands could produce a mathematic expression for how a flat earth arguement pans out
because I definitely see a pattern emerging here!

I wouldn't be surprised if we could use it to make some sort of physical law of the universe !

t1 = length of time which has passed since first evidence of flat earth posted
G1,G2 ,G3 , Gn (n represents exponential expanding) where G = number of times the goal post has been moved
F1,F2,F3, Fn . F = Number of logical fallacies deployed by flat earth proponents in their arguement for proof of flat earth
O1, O2, O3. O = Number of objective facts provided which support and prove that with a great deal of certainty that
the earth is a sphere
t2 = Length of time in years the human race has been set back by taking reasonable humans away from their normal lives to try and bring the rest of humanity up to speed and illuminate them on reality

You can see where I am going with this, but You could make an expression for it







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posted on Sep, 19 2018 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

Observation in this case isnt always an observation using our own senses
such as optical observation or audio observation

Observation in science normally means a measurement of sorts.

As nothin pointed out human biological perceptions have limitations, hence why we as humans invented instrumentation.

Our perceptions can also be altered by a shift in our baseline consciousness, because we are biological in nature, there are many things which can alter our perceptions from the baseline!

Such as stimulants , such as through our diet etc or accidental ingestion, or toxicity .

That is why humans have a vast array of instruments with which we can observe the natural world !
instruments which can help provide a degree of certainty , with which we can contrast and compare and reason with
to conclude many a thing about the natural world.

but alas , this is entirely for another thread.

Many flat earther's deny scientific achievement as scientism and deny any scientific enquiry, yet they try to use scientific understanding to prove flat earth.

you cant not use scientific understanding to explain flat earth or spherical earth as scientific understanding or the scientific method underpins everything we do as humans
asking questions , sharing data / information , everything we do is scientific
yet somehow there is a growing group of humans who distrust large scientific organisations, most likely NASA

I wonder what the percentage of FE proponents there are world wide and how they are distributed "Globally"

I am willing to bet that the majority are U.S. based and this comes from a distrust of big organised government , NASA , and in general authority.

FE act as though some esoteric knowledge is being kept from them , like the head priests of dynastic Egypt
so they assume its lies to confuse us or keep us from truth .

When in actual fact, all the answers and truth and facts are all there for us to discover by ourselves if we just look

no one is hiding anything , you just have to ask the questions yourself and if you dont understand it , it doesnt mean its not true, or false !




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