Flat earth theory?

Hey Turbo - what is your no doubt hilarious explanation for this:

X37b: Mysterious Secret Space Plane Caught On Camera

heard this on one of the morning shows here in Australia yesterday morning.

In Newfoundland, Canada there is destination, I think its in Shoal Bay, Fogo Island,

there is a point where tourists can go to a look out, looking out at the ocean and on the horizon is the where the earth ends.

There are even signs up saying that no people have been lost over the edge so far.

I think they have a flat earth museum there as well

www.newfoundlandlabrador.com...



the funniest thing the reporter mentioned on the show doing the report about the area and when mentioning the tourist spot and flat earth society was a post somewhere on some social media platform made by a member of the flat earth society informing people of how the Flat earth society has many members all around the globe

originally posted by: tommyjo

originally posted by: turbonium1


In reality, there is ZERO evidence for either aliens, or satellites, being 'lights in the skies above Earth'. Only the opposite, in fact. There is tremendous proof aliens and satellites are hoaxed, and they ARE hoaxes, in every way possible.

So how are these satellites being hoaxed? When you see an iridium flare in the night sky and it corresponds to a sat tracking app then how do you explain that visible light? How are these masters of deception pulling it off? Precisely every time and never being caught out. The same with ISS. How can that visible track be explained away? What is your theory on how these masters of deception accomplish it?

Explain how these masters of deception did it way back from the late 1950s? For example Operation Moonwatch and the early involvement of amateur astronomers.

Operation Moonwatch Wiki

Was is your theory. Holograms? Projections? Aircraft?

Think about the organisation and logistics that would have to be pulled off to get it right every time? Explain why no flat earther has ever taken up the challenge to catch them out?

Why can't you show me one, single rocket, going up into orbit, filmed from Earth?

Thousands of satellites are supposedly in orbit, but you cannot prove one of them really WENT into orbit?


A light proves nothing, whatsoever. Show me a rocket going into orbit, if you can.

a reply to: turbonium1

Blah blah blah blah

Again...
neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Since your video didn't show what I asked you for, why would I ever have addressed it?

You wouldn’t. Because you are blatantly intellectually dishonest.

I asked you for a video that actually shows a rocket going into orbit, a video that was shot from the ground....

Ok? Name a rocket that is in orbit around the earth.

No clouds appear in videos,

Blatant lie

Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A

m.youtube.com...

Again
The right side and left side videos are synchronized as indicated by lift off and stage separations of the rocket. When you see the 2nd stage separate on the right side video taken from earth, the rocket is 176 km above earth and in space.

Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A

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DO YOU GET THE POINT YET!!!!

a reply to: turbonium1


The below link goes to a YouTube video showing a rocket disappearing into space on a split screen. Is that false.

A video I linked in a posted reply to you before you ever made the sideways comment.
Is that false.

Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A
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You

Not what I asked for, again.

Again - show me any rocket that actually flies upward, into orbit, on any videos, taken from Earth. Nothing else.

How do you debate with a person like you who will literally lies?

Screenshots from video in question of the rocket that placed the Sentinel 1A satellite in orbit.

Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A
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The video camera tracks the rocket until the first stage separation.



Placed this item into space:

Sentinel-1A

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Sentinel-1A is a European radar imaging satellite launched in 2014. It is the first Sentinel-1 satellite launched as part of the European Union's Copernicus programme. The satellite carries a C-band Synthetic Aperture Radar which will provide images in all light and weather conditions. It will track many aspects of our environment, from detecting and tracking oil spills and mapping sea ice to monitoring movement in land surfaces and mapping changes in the way land is used.

Launch

Sentinel-1A was launched on 3 April 2014 by a Soyuz rocket at 21:02:31 GMT (23:02:31 CEST). The first stage separated 118 seconds later, followed by the fairing (209 s), second stage (287 s) and the upper assembly (526 s).[6] After a 617-second burn, the Fregat upper stage delivered Sentinel into a Sun-synchronous orbit at 693 km altitude. The satellite separated from the upper stage 23 min 29 s after liftoff.

And produced these radar images

Sentinel-1A Satellite delivers first Radar Images of Earth

spaceflight101.com...

The newly launched Sentinel-1A satellite has returned the first images acquired with its high-fidelity radar system. Sentinel-1A is making good progress in its commissioning phase that will prepare the satellite for regular acquisition of high-resolution and calibrated radar images for release through the European Commission’s Copernicus program.

Following a close call in the first night of the mission that featured an unprecedented Debris Avoidance Maneuver (a story told here by the mission team), Sentinel-1A continued its early operations with flying colors – being awarded a clean bill of health and beginning to collect radar images of chosen targets on Earth.

This is some of the access offered by the European Space Agency from the Sentinel Program

sentinel.esa.int...

Sentinel data products are made available systematically and free of charge to all data users including the general public, scientific and commercial users. The data will be delivered within an hour of reception for Near Real-Time (NRT) emergency response, within three hours for NRT priority areas and within 24 hours for systematically archived data.

All data products are distributed in the Sentinel Standard Archive Format for Europe (SAFE) format.

Each mode can potentially produce products at SAR Level-0, Level-1 SLC, Level-1 GRD, and Level-2 OCN.

Data products are available in single polarisation (VV or HH) for Wave mode and dual polarisation (VV+VH or HH+HV) or single polarisation (HH or VV) for SM, IW and EW modes.

How to get Sentinel data

Access to Sentinel data via download

sentinel.esa.int...

The free, full and open data policy adopted for the Copernicus programme foresees access available to all users for the Sentinel data products, via a simple self-registration. News and further information about the service is available here.

If there is no Sentinel satellite, what is being tracked and what is broadcasting data from its position in space?

originally posted by: neutronflux

The right side and left side videos are synchronized as indicated by lift off and stage separations of the rocket. When you see the 2nd stage separate on the right side video taken from earth, the rocket is 176 km above earth and in space.

The right side video shows a rocket passing by clouds, in the blue sky.

From the source below, the highest clouds are about 45,000 feet altitude above Earth...

nenes.eas.gatech.edu...

And LEO supposedly begins around 160 miles above Earth, which is 844,800 feet altitude.


The rocket passing by clouds is no higher than 45,000 feet altitude, at most.


Only 800,000 feet below 'orbit', at most!!


What a joke.

a reply to: turbonium1

Ironic a flat earth doesn’t understand 2d film, and perspectives by camera angle.



Then why do you see the rocket through the haze of the clouds.

What is broadcasting from space in Sentinel 1’s orbit.

Where is the continuous data coming from produced by Sentinel 1.

What is the reason for the some 2000 pulse objects broadcasting services like satellite TV, GPS, Satellite Internet, Satellite radio from orbits around earth.

a reply to: turbonium1

How does flat earth theory cope with visible meteorites entering the atmosphere? And the recovery of pieces of meteorites?

Chelyabinsk meteor

en.m.wikipedia.org...

The Chelyabinsk meteor was a superbolide that entered Earth's atmosphere over Russia on 15 February 2013 at about 09:20 YEKT (03:20 UTC). It was caused by an approximately 20 m (66 ft) near-Earth asteroid with a speed of 19.16 ± 0.15 kilometres per second (60,000[5]–69,000 km/h or 40,000[5]–42,900 mph).[6][7] It quickly became a brilliant superbolide meteor over the southern Ural region. The light from the meteor was brighter than the Sun, visible up to 100 km (62 mi) away. It was observed over a wide area of the region and in neighbouring republics. Some eyewitnesses also felt intense heat from the fireball.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

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All around the globe, you say? Hmm...

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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Ironic a flat earth doesn’t understand 2d film, and perspectives by camera angle.

Then why do you see the rocket through the haze of the clouds.

What is broadcasting from space in Sentinel 1’s orbit.

Where is the continuous data coming from produced by Sentinel 1.

What is the reason for the some 2000 pulse objects broadcasting services like satellite TV, GPS, Satellite Internet, Satellite radio from orbits around earth.

Let's look at the same video, with two of MY screen captures....shown below...



In the right side frame above, the rocket is obviously passing in front of clouds.



A few seconds later, the rocket shown in the right side frame is passing by more clouds.


Look at where the rocket is, in the right side frames.

Look at where the clouds are, at the time...


The rocket is not even above the clouds yet, in both frames. It is flying upward, passes by clouds, and cuts out into a different clip entirely. Why would they not continue with the original clip? Where is the rest of the original footage? This is supposed to be two videos of a rocket, from Earth, and from the rocket, and the two clips are supposed to be in sync, from start to finish....

I'm sure that's why you've been holding it up, as 'proof' that rockets have been filmed from Earth, going into 'orbit'...

Perhaps you are impressed with the scene of your rocket separating the boosters, in 'perfect' sync, and don't see anything else is wacky.

So when I point out that clouds prove the rocket in far below your 'orbit' altitudes, you simply make up an excuse for it, say that I 'don't understand it', and try to change the subject.

It's your '2d and perspective' excuse, which I 'don't understand'!!

I'd like to understand why you think this rocket is at least 800,000 feet higher than the highest clouds possible on Earth, when the rocket is clearly seen passing by clouds, several times, and remains in the blue skies above us, throughout the entire clip...

The clouds aren't even seen until the rocket flies upward to a point where clouds appear in the sky, and then, the rocket passes by a few clouds, and then, a few more clouds, and a few more clouds, and the clip ends, and a SECOND clip dropped in takes over, which I'll explain later on...

If you refuse to see that the clouds were above the rocket, at first, and that the rocket later flew high enough, to pass by these clouds, along the flight - which we all see happen, in the clip - that's your problem. If you want to believe clouds magically 'appear' to be in the blue skies, while a rocket passes by cloud after cloud, it's your problem, not mine, or anyone else's, to deal with.


Anyone can look at the rocket passing by clouds, and understand it cannot be in 'orbit', or anywhere near 'orbit'.

Only those who deny they see it.

a reply to: turbonium1



ahem... budget launch into space....

whats your explanation for this... the usual?

They also had no possible reason to cut off the original footage, since we clearly can observe the rocket itself, and its thrust, without any difficulty, when it suddenly cuts out. Even if they had a reason to stop it, they'd still have the footage from that point, no matter what. Why don't they show it, then? No explanation for multiple clips, just move along, folks!


Anyone with half a brain could see the rocket flies upward, or mainly so, in the original clip, but immediately changes course, and is somehow - yikes - flying downward, towards the Earth, for no reason at all!!

You'll say the rocket is NOT going downward, and nonsensical excuses for it, as usual.


A cloud is not there, a rocket is not flying downward, in the multiple clips spliced together, which 'prove' rockets go into 'orbit'!!


How convincing can it get?

a reply to: turbonium1

better question is... how far will you go to attempt to explain away reality with your nonsensical assumptions, without realizing how obscenely stupid you are?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

ahem... budget launch into space....

whats your explanation for this... the usual?

Yes, it's the usual fake clip of a 'rocket' going into 'orbit', showing a 'round' Earth below it!! Nothing but the usual crap shown many times before.


And you still have no clue whatsoever why I've asked you to show me a rocket FILMED ENTIRELY FROM EARTH IN ONE CONTINUOUS VIDEO, going into 'orbit', or at least, going up until it flies high enough, to see it fly beyond our view, while it is going up, into 'orbit??!!???

This video shows a rocket launching from Earth, filmed FROM the Earth...right?

But it never shows footage after it launches, FROM the Earth. Yes?

No, it shows footage from the 'rocket', after the launch, and they NEVER show anymore footage taken FROM Earth. Right?


Unless you're a brain-dead moron, you'd probably expect that they'd continue to film the rocket FROM the Earth, after they've already filmed the launch, right?

This should be blatantly obvious to understand, that they'd keep filming the rocket FROM THE EARTH. Without a doubt.

Hey, we filmed a rocket going into orbit, but didn't film it from Earth, sorry folks!


At this point, you should realize that there is not one, single film, showing a rocket going into orbit, SHOT FROM THE SURFACE OF EARTH.

None. Ever.


Why would they never have shown a rocket going into orbit, ENTIRELY FILMED FROM THE SURFACE OF EARTH?

Why didn't they film this rocket from Earth, going into orbit, just like they have NEVER filmed it, even once, before that?


Because rockets never go into 'orbit', that's why nobody can film it from Earth. It's faked. An illusion, of something that never happened, and never will happen.

Do you really believe they couldn't have filmed this rocket FROM EARTH, after it had launched? Nobody is that stupid. It's ridiculous.


What is more ridiculous is believing NOBODY would have filmed a rocket from Earth, going into orbit, or until a rocket was out of view, while going to orbit. But nobody has ever filmed it, which they would surely have done, many times, already.

If it was really going into orbit, that is.

They have to pretend rockets go into orbit, with illusions that have convinced many people it's true. We never even see it, it's never been filmed, but people still buy the illusion. More and more illusions make it more 'real' to people. Nobody ever realizes it's never been shown from Earth going into orbit. Nobody seems to care about it, either. Not many, at least.


You look at a rocket passing by cloud after cloud, as the illusion here, not the reality. The illusion fails if you simply see clouds in the sky are really there, the rocket is really there, passing by the clouds. It's nowhere near 'orbit'. CLOUDS are not in 'orbit', where the rocket is seen.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

better question is... how far will you go to attempt to explain away reality with your nonsensical assumptions, without realizing how obscenely stupid you are?

Coming from someone who thinks clouds aren't really there, I'll take it as a compliment.

How do we get through the ice wall?

I'm ready to be free of this place.

originally posted by: Lysergic
How do we get through the ice wall?

I'm ready to be free of this place.

You'd never get through it, but if you died in the attempt, at least you'd get your wish of being free from this place!

a reply to: turbonium1

We can't just nuke a path through?

What the hell is this ice made of?

a reply to: turbonium1

see... You're still too frickin dense to figure out that you can't film a rocket going into orbit which goes straight up and floats there.... idiot!

I've already explained this several times... and the video is showing exactly that... what goes up comes right back down...

Said rocket wasn't going into orbit.... it was just breaching space...

IF it was filmed from the ground you would lose sight of it after a few hundred metres... because its tiny... that's why they put the camera on the rocket.

You're so bloody dense you can't even figure out what you're watching!! LMAO!!!

a reply to: turbonium1

Again.

Then why do you see the rocket through the haze of the clouds.

What is broadcasting from space in Sentinel 1’s orbit.

Where is the continuous data coming from produced by Sentinel 1.

What is the reason for the some 2000 pulse objects broadcasting services like satellite TV, GPS, Satellite Internet, Satellite radio from orbits around earth.