Flat earth theory?

originally posted by: turbonium1
The rocket is seen going by clouds in the blue sky above, no higher than airplanes fly every day. In fact, this rocket is flying LOWER than planes fly at cruising altitudes.

Clouds prove this, and your lame excuses cannot change that fact.

No more games by you. Time for you to defend flat earth and it’s fundamentals.

Again..

What is the firmament? And how does the firmament allow for the retrograde of the inner planets.

For the flat earth model, why doesn’t the sun and moon “sink” to the earth’s surface, or drift off?

Every flat earth model I seen shows the sun and moon circling at a constant height above the earth. How does the flat earth model account for the fact the moon and sun actually set and rise from behind the curve of the earth known as the horizon.

Why can’t you see the Rocky Mountains from the top mount Washington in New Hampshire, or the top of Mount Mitchell in North Carolina?

Why does the North Star disappear below the horizon when you travel south across the equator.

a reply to: turbonium1

Then cite and quote where he said such a thing.

a reply to: turbonium1

How does the firmament account for retrograde of the of the inner planets.

How does the firmament allow for new objects like the international space station and the Hubble space telescope that can be seen from earth.

All Von Braun likely knew, was that there WAS a firmament above Earth. If anyone knows what it is made of, it is held in top secret, obviously. I have heard of a claim it is made of pure carbon, or some mixture, with carbon. We have no idea, but it is possible that some people may know it, or perhaps have a general working theory on it, anyway.

No matter what, it is better than making up lies to cover it all up.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Then cite and quote where he said such a thing.

He referred to the firmament in a Biblical passage on his tombstone. That was his final wish, for all of us to know, in the end. It cannot be more powerful a message, than to have your last words forever etched on your grave...

If Von Braun meant to express his belief in God, or the Bible, he would have left a passage that did not mention the firmament, because he would have known, from Saturn V flying to the moon, that there WAS no firmament.

So putting a passage that mentions the firmament, he was clearly stating that the firmament DOES exist. And the creator of Saturn V rockets would certainly know it exists, more than anyone else alive...

a reply to: turbonium1

If you think the Sun is many millions of miles away, and the moon is much closer to Earth, then the Sun is behind the moon, and could not reflect sunlight off the side of the moon which faces the Earth.

which clearly shows you haven't a clue how light works either... so you're telling everyone that you obviously don't have the slightest clue about... well anything we talk about! lol

the suns light reflects on everything in the solar system... even Pluto for that matter... except when said celestial bodies aren't facing the moon directly... which means there is a dark side of everything in the solar system... which I showed you how you can prove to yourself a few dozen pages back... and you ignored. This is why we have lunar cycles...

We clearly see the Sun is NOT behind the moon, in fact. It is beside the moon, at a distance. Both the Sun and the moon are seen above the Earth, at the same time.

Except you only believe such nonsense because you choose/refuse not to look into actual science... but choose to believe fanatical religious morons who also know nothing about basic science or reality

It also may explain why Von Braun went to so-called Antarctica.

In 1958, Von Braun knew about the firmament, and Antarctica, a barren wasteland, was suddenly off-limits to everyone. The nations cannot agree on anything, except for a barren wasteland being off-limits!! Sure, that makes perfect sense!


And he mentioned the firmament existing in his last words, just for fun, too!

This explains how powerful their lie is, to have him only mention it, and very discreetly, as well, from the grave.

a reply to: turbonium1

Again. Cite and quote where Von Braun said the things you claim.

a reply to: turbonium1

Again...
No more games by you. Time for you to defend flat earth and it’s fundamentals.

Again..

What is the firmament? And how does the firmament allow for the retrograde of the inner planets.

For the flat earth model, why doesn’t the sun and moon “sink” to the earth’s surface, or drift off?

Every flat earth model I seen shows the sun and moon circling at a constant height above the earth. How does the flat earth model account for the fact the moon and sun actually set and rise from behind the curve of the earth known as the horizon.

Why can’t you see the Rocky Mountains from the top mount Washington in New Hampshire, or the top of Mount Mitchell in North Carolina?

Why does the North Star disappear below the horizon when you travel south across the equator.

How does the firmament account for retrograde of the of the inner planets.

How does the firmament allow for new objects like the international space station and the Hubble space telescope that can be seen from earth.

The Hollow earthers and the expanding earthers are laughing at this

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
The Hollow earthers and the expanding earthers are laughing at this

What about the simulated universe matrix people?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Again. Cite and quote where Von Braun said the things you claim.

He referred to a single passage, from the Bible, on his tombstone, which notes 'Psalms 19:1'.


For those who already know what this passage states, there is no need to look it up.

Any who DON'T know what the passage states, simply looks in the Bible, to see what the passage states.

Here it is...

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.


He made it as clear as possible, by this single reference, to the firmament created above Earth, by God, and cannot be interpreted any other way, no matter how you wish it could be.

The passage shows he knew about the firmament above Earth being true. If he knew the Saturn V flew to the moon, he would NOT indicate it on his tombstone as he did. If he believed in God, but not the firmament being above Earth, he'd have referred to any other passage, which DOESN'T directly state that the firmament exists.


If you think you can twist around what is written on his tombstone, you don't live in the real world, buddy.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Again...
No more games by you. Time for you to defend flat earth and it’s fundamentals.

Again..

What is the firmament? And how does the firmament allow for the retrograde of the inner planets.

For the flat earth model, why doesn’t the sun and moon “sink” to the earth’s surface, or drift off?

Every flat earth model I seen shows the sun and moon circling at a constant height above the earth. How does the flat earth model account for the fact the moon and sun actually set and rise from behind the curve of the earth known as the horizon.

Why can’t you see the Rocky Mountains from the top mount Washington in New Hampshire, or the top of Mount Mitchell in North Carolina?

Why does the North Star disappear below the horizon when you travel south across the equator.

How does the firmament account for retrograde of the of the inner planets.

How does the firmament allow for new objects like the international space station and the Hubble space telescope that can be seen from earth.

I've already explained all of this, so don't try and play idiot, you're wasting everyone's time, with the same old crap again and again.

There's absolutely no proof the ISS and Hubble are where you claim they are, so forget saying they can be 'seen from Earth', and are in 'space', like it's a fact or something. What a joke!

Retrograde doesn't exist, it's a myth you believe is true, and nothing more. 'Planets' are simply stars with unique paths, which includes back and forth movements above Earth. That's it. Nothing to excuse, like your group has to make up. As usual.

The problem you have is not understanding what the size of the Earth means for what can, or cannot, be seen, at any one point FROM the Earth.


Do you really think an immensely large flat surface, would always offer you an unlimited view of all objects above that surface? No matter how large the surface may be? Think again, because it's not true at all.


You need to study perspective, for one thing, because you have no clue about a flat surface NOT equating to a surface with an unlimited view of all objects above.

a reply to: turbonium1

You are referencing to a bible quote place on his tombstone.

No quote where he said rockets couldn’t go into space.

a reply to: turbonium1

I've already explained all of this, so don't try and play idiot,

Explained what to me? Please link to the post.

There's absolutely no proof the ISS and Hubble are where you claim they are, so forget saying they can be 'seen from Earth', and are in 'space', like it's a fact or something. What a joke!

Then what are people seeing when they pass overhead in the night sky. They are objects that are in the night sky that were not there a 100 years ago in the firmament. So how did the get there orbiting the earth changing the firmament.

Retrograde doesn't exist, it's a myth you believe is true, and nothing more. 'Planets' are simply stars with unique paths, which includes back and forth movements above Earth. That's it. Nothing to excuse, like your group has to make up. As usual.

The question was how does the firmament allow for retrograde. How is it possible in your firmament model.

The problem you have is not understanding what the size of the Earth means for what can, or cannot, be seen, at any one point FROM the Earth.

If the earth is flat, how does the highest point of the firmament marked by the North Star disappear below the horizon when traveling south across the equator. It doesn’t fade off into the distance.

If the sun and moon circle overhead a flat earth, how do the go below the horizon when they set. They don’t fade off into the distance.

If the earth was flat, I should be able to see the Rocky Mountains from Mount Washington in New Hampshire. Shoot a laser from one to the other? That distance is constant. Has nothing to do with the size of the earth.

a reply to: turbonium1

There's absolutely no proof the ISS and Hubble are where you claim they are, so forget saying they can be 'seen from Earth', and are in 'space', like it's a fact or something. What a joke!

Retrograde doesn't exist, it's a myth you believe is true, and nothing more. 'Planets' are simply stars with unique paths, which includes back and forth movements above Earth.

So...…………..

Just to clarify for the entire class....

Something like planetary retrograde which I've witnessed with my own eyes... is not real... The ISS isn't real, even though many have seen it overhead at night... including myself and other posters... Satellites aren't real, even though you can see them on a clear night almost nightly... Annnnnnnd, planets are actually stars with unique paths...

Yet you know theres a dome over a flat earth... even though you can't see it, or prove it...

Ye knocked that little bit of brain damage out of the park dude....

Full marks... and a pretty golden star to take with you to the asylum

a reply to: Akragon

It’s Sunday. Turnolag Being all about god will abide by the 11 commandment...

The lord rested the firmament on the seventh day so ye shall surly abide from debating the firmament in the seventh day.

The 12 commandment is...

Ye shall surly defend the glory of the firmament on the six days that are not for holly rest for your lord your god the ruler of the firmament worked to fill the firmament on those blessed days with his glory. Be thy stated blessed argument will be vague and shifting, as not to reveal anything of proof that can be right out debunked so sayith the lord with out end.

a reply to: Akragon

You don’t want to know about the fourteenth commandment.

Something about collecting foreskins from those who question the firmament....