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posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 04:04 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Thats how "orbit" works... the ship doean't go straight up...

if it did it would come straight back down



It doesn't matter if you claim rockets go into orbit upside-down, sideways, or slanted slightly upwards, there's still not one shred of proof to support your claim.

Supposedly, the Saturn V rockets took about 12 minutes each, on average, to reach Earth orbit.

We last see them flying horizontally over the ocean, and out of sight. Every other craft supposedly going into 'orbit', does the same thing, as well.

At most, we might be able to see these craft for a few minutes or so, right?


That leaves a craft like Saturn V, only 10 minutes or so until it reaches Earth orbit, then.


If we can still see it from the original position on Earth after a few minutes, and still flying in a horizontal path, and still at altitudes below what planes fly at, and not a single video showing it go any faster, or higher, than what we SEE.....

It's simply ridiculous to believe a rocket could actually reach Earth orbit, and, of course, they never do. It's an illusion, and hardly a very convincing one, at that.


These rockets are supposedly going to the moon, and are 'well-documented' in every way, supposedly, and we know the path they are taking after they launch from Earth, and it only takes 12 minutes for a rocket to reach Earth orbit....

For some strange reason, they can't film a rocket from anywhere but the point it launches from, and that's why we have never filmed it going any higher than about 25,000 feet!! But there's no reason to doubt it really happens, while out of sight, without any footage of it happening, is there??


It would be very simple to have a view of rockets over the ocean, knowing it's exact path of flight along the way. A few ships spread across its flight path would suffice. To claim no video is possible is complete BS.

There is absolutely no proof that supports this claim, your claim, and nothing changes that fact. Lame excuses don't work, and you know it.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 04:06 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Again......


originally posted by: turbonium1
You fail to understand that I'm asking you for a video taken FROM THE GROUND which shows a rocket going up into orbit, into a tiny speck above the Earth.....

NOT a video supposedly from a rocket, which supposedly shows it is going up into orbit!!

Do you get the point, yet?


WTF? Why do you think I keep posting the video of the split screen rocket launch. The left side of the video shows video from the on board cameras.

THE RIGHT SIDE VIDEO SHOWS THE PROGRESS OF THE ROCKET FROM EARTH. Is that false?

What is your major malfunction TurboLag, can’t handle flat earth is a blatant lie? Or just lack common sense?

Holly cow. Or to quote you.


originally posted by: turbonium1
Yikes!


The right side and left side videos are synchronized as indicated by lift off and stage separations of the rocket. When you see the 2nd stage separate on the right side video taken from earth, the rocket is 176 km above earth and in space.



Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A

m.youtube.com...











DO YOU GET THE POINT YET!!!!


edit on 16-6-2019 by neutronflux because: Removed double quote

edit on 16-6-2019 by neutronflux because: Added last sentence



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 04:31 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Thats how "orbit" works... the ship doean't go straight up...

if it did it would come straight back down



Imagine a rocket launch from Florida going over the sea? And not wanting to drop the largest stage over a populated area, but over the sea?



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 04:52 AM
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This video is utterly ridiculous, and not even matching up correctly!

At the 1:34 mark in the video, the right frame shows the rocket going through clouds, right?

Airplanes like a 757 fly well above any of our clouds, at cruising altitudes, of around 38-40,000 feet altitude.

So the rocket at the 1:34 mark is no higher than 40,000 feet, at very most, then...

The rocket passes in front of clouds at the 1:50 mark, as well...Still no higher than 40,000 feet, then...

It passes by more clouds at 1:55, too.

The rocket does not go up beyond those clouds, like it did earlier, when it first was launched upward. That means, and we can also see, that the rocket is now going in a much more slanted, horizontal path. Not straight up, or close to it.

Then something happens at 2:01 - they stop filming it in the right frame, and put in a completely different clip of it, for some reason. The rocket is now flying completely horizontal, as well. And nobody knows why they stopped filming it at this point, and replaced it with different footage, either. Nobody knows if it's even the same rocket or not, or what happened between the two clips, so that's fishy enough right there.

The rocket on the left shows Earth well below it, and the rocket on the right is still flying horizontal, in the blue skies above, yet they both 'separate' the lower section of the rocket at the same time!! This is amazing, indeed.

How would the rocket be passing ALONGSIDE clouds at 1:55, then magically reach up into space, only 20 seconds later? All while shown to be flying in a virtually horizontal path, and still beneath the blue skies??

Meanwhile, the rocket on the right is in 'space', showing a 'curved' Earth below it, and you claim this proves your argument, seriously?

WTF, indeed!



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 04:59 AM
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I never knew space was reachable only 20 seconds after passing by clouds, until I saw it on your video.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:13 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry man but its no ones fault but your own that you're too simple or uneducated to figure these basic things out...

*shakes head*
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posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:16 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry man but its no ones fault but your own that you're too simple or uneducated to figure these basic things out...

*shakes head*


What if aliens landed on your bed one night and told you the earth was flat with a dome around it?

Saying 'because, drugs!', will disqualify you.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:18 AM
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a reply to: Artemis12

I would say the same thing to said aliens...




posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:21 AM
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If you think clouds are nearly at the same altitude of so-called 'space', you are delusional, sorry to say.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

And why is that?



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:27 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

The sun isn't as far from us as we think.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:38 AM
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The right side footage is a compilation of three different clips, with three different 'craft' for each clip.

The first clip shows the actual rocket launching.. It stops when the rocket is veering off into a horizontal path.

The second clip shows a completely different angle, and the rocket is now plummeting downward! How does that happen if the same rocket was just shown going in a horizontal direction is simply miraculous, I'd say. But there it is, on video, folks!

This rocket going downward then 'separates' the lower sections of the craft, which explains why they needed to edit the footage a bit earlier on! The real craft didn't 'separate', so they needed one that did, even if plummets toward Earth while doing so!

Uh, oh. The second craft is still plummeting towards Earth! Stop the footage, before it's too late!


That's when the THIRD clip comes in, and just in time, too! Everything looks good, keep going for awhile, and we'll cut out the whole 'split-screen' match, which 'proves' it was in space!

Hilarious.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:47 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

The illusion is full of #$% so yeah it's hashtag hillarious.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

We are making progress. You now acknowledge the video shows a view from earth.

You are so full of crap. Why did it take like three of four posts before you realized the video showed a split screenshot. YOU HAD TO BE TOLD. That was after like posting five or six screenshots from the video. Most people would have gave up on being utterly humiliated. You have destroyed all your credibility.

You are a proven liar.

How can you possible tell the height of a cloud from a 2D video? Clouds can be anywhere from “fog” on the ground to the upper atmosphere.

Please screenshot the moment the rocket passed through the clouds.

As far as rocket velocity.



en.m.wikipedia.org...

The escape velocity from Earth is about 11.186 km/s (6.951 mi/s; 40,270 km/h; 36,700 ft/s; 25,020 mph; 21,744 kn)[1] at the surface.





SOYUZ LAUNCH SEQUENCE

blogs.esa.int...

The Soyuz launcher delivers millions of horse-power to reach an orbital speed of 28 800 km/h. After the engines ignite they will propel the trio 1640 km in less than 10 minutes – averaging a 50 km/h increase every second for nine minutes.

There are three stages to reaching Earth orbit with the Soyuz rocket, each referring to a part of the rocket that uses its fuel and is then ejected to fall back to Earth.

The iconic four boosters are called the first stage. It takes only two minutes for them to burn up and deliver their thrust – by this time Paolo, Randy and Sergey will be flying 41 km high travelling at 8300 km/h and have travelled 39 km over land.

Roughly 30 seconds later the fairing and escape system is jettisoned too. The second stage has been firing all this time but runs out of fuel at roughly five minutes after liftoff. The second stage is ejected at a height of 176 km above Earth (they will have entered space by now) leaving the trio travelling at a speed of around 13 500 km/h. In just five minutes they will have travelled 500 km over land.

After the second stage is ejected the third stage ignites to give the final thrust to push our astronauts out of gravity’s reach. At almost nine minutes after liftoff the intense acceleration comes to an end when the third stage stops firing and falls back to Earth. With a final jolt the crew will feel weightless and be flying in space en route to the Space Station!



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 07:23 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1



The right side footage is a compilation of three different clips, with three different 'craft' for each clip.

Based on what proof proven lair?



The second clip shows a completely different angle, and the rocket is now plummeting downward! How does that happen if the same rocket was just shown going in a horizontal direction is simply miraculous, I'd say. But there it is, on video, folks!


What do you not get the video shows three stage separations. Yes, the ejected stage will fall to earth while the rest of the rocket will continue its assent. Will you please post a screenshot of the entire rocket “plummeting downward!”




Uh, oh. The second craft is still plummeting towards Earth! Stop the footage, before it's too late!

Blatant lie by you, please post a screenshot of the video showing such a thing.



That's when the THIRD clip comes in, and just in time, too! Everything looks good, keep going for awhile, and we'll cut out the whole 'split-screen' match, which 'proves' it was in space!

Based on what proof proven liar?
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posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: Artemis12

How did these aliens get through the dome? Is it like Spaceballs and there's a door with the code 12345? Also, how do aliens exist if space is a hoax?
edit on 16-6-2019 by captainpudding because: Typo



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

You do understand the footage I linked to is from the placing of the Sentinel A1 satellite in orbit around the earth? A real object. An Object that transmits radar, and its position can be verified by its transmissions and broadcasts. A satellite that sends back current surface conditions by radar mapping. Data that you have access to.



Minimize Instrument Payload

sentinel.esa.int...

SENTINEL-1 carries a single C-band synthetic aperture radar instrument operating at a centre frequency of 5.405 GHz. It includes a right-looking active phased array antenna providing fast scanning in elevation and azimuth, data storage capacity of 1 410 Gb and 520 Mbit/s X-band downlink capacity.



It’s not really the video that you make false claims about that you have to debunk.

It’s the actual item in orbit around earth that is broadcasting, emitting c-band radar, and return radar mapping of earth’s surface you have to debunk.

Are you making the claim the video doesn’t show the placing of the Sentinel A1 satellite in orbit? Then what’s broadcasting, emitting c-band radar, and return radar mapping of earth’s surface from Sentinel A1’s position.



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posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

The sad thing, the Sentinel A1 launch is not the crux of my argument.



One way satellites in orbit are tracked...

www.zarya.info...


Doppler Curves in Satellite Tracking

Measuring the Doppler Shift is a satellite tracking technique for determining the distance between the satellite and the receiver at the time of closest approach as well as the time itself. As a satellite approaches, the frequency appears raised relative to the actual transmission frequency. As it goes away, the frequency appears to be lowered. At the time of closest approach, the transmitted and received frequencies are usually the same.

A measurement of frequency against time produces a Doppler curve. As the satellite passes, the received frequency appears to fall but not in a constant manner. The rate of change starts off slow, is greatest at the time of closest approach and then tails off towards the end of the transit. This is because we are measuring the rate of change in the component of a satellite's velocity along a line joining the satellite to the receiver. The rate of change is greatest at the time of closest approach and, if measured, can be used to determine passing distance.



There are something like 2000 satellites being actively tracked in earth’s orbit. You have to debunk each of the 2000 satellites individual existences before you can even start making a case a satellite was never placed in space.


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posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 10:18 AM
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It would be very simple to have a view of rockets over the ocean, knowing it's exact path of flight along the way. A few ships spread across its flight path would suffice. To claim no video is possible is complete BS.


Here's a Newsflash for you - people generally have better things to do than pander to the raving demands of people that post utter drivel on the internet because they do not understand how any of this stuff works and who believe in some sort of delusional version of reality.



posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: sapien82

You want me to explain the entire process of landing humans on the moon to you? You take a big rocket, strap some people to it, and point it at the moon.

Here are thousands of pictures taken on and around the moon www.flickr.com...

Please provide evidence that any of them are anything but genuine




Did you mean to reply to me ?

as I know we have been to the moon , hence my post on the previous page showing that China had used the reflector place on the moon by NASA during the Apollo missions!

I am 100% sure we went to the moon and outside earths atmosphere and orbit

not sure why you would think otherwise given my support for the globe earth and science in general in this thread
but I understand if it was a simple mistake when quoting



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