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posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: neutronflux

You (and we) cannot achieve a #strike against durbonium, as he just (a) does not tell us what he would accept as proof ("video showing a rocket? Okay, but that rocket did not REACH orbit!") and/or (b) he just moves the goalpost ("that rocket has to reach ORBIT, not just leave the athmosphere" while not defining what orbit or end-of-athmosphere would be to him).

It is an age-old method of having your opponents run in circles to fulfil your demands while simultanously moving them further (or at an right angle to prior discussion) away. See Jesuits, dialectic - but without their goal to pursuade the opponent.

Durbonium just likes to sniff his own butt whenever he thinks another opponent has given up to meet his unattainable moving discussion points.


I'm asking you to show a rocket that goes up into orbit, which is YOUR claim....

Show me any rocket going straight up, until nobody can see it from Earth, do you get the point here?

When you claim rockets go into orbit, then we'd also expect you to SHOW THESE ROCKETS GOING UP INTO ORBIT, from Earth.

The reality is you cannot show me any footage from Earth to confirm what you claim.

It would be easy to show this, if it was really true.

You believe in all of their Illusions, sad to say...



Posted two pages back



NOT showing a rocket go into orbit from Earth, again and again, doesn't help your case....


No?

Where do you suppose it went?

Ye think it bounced off your dome and hit the ocean perhaps?

Seems like a huge waste




posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:19 AM
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originally posted by: ignorant_ape
it has to be noted - that there are no videos of a plane flying from london heathrow >> new york JFK - ergo - such flights have never occured [ using tired troll " logic " ]


People see planes flying at any height, while no rockets are ever seen going up, until they appear to us on Earth as just a tiny speck, and then vanish from sight, because they're still going upward, into Earth 'orbit'!!

The rocket went into orbit, later on, folks!



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:26 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: neutronflux

You (and we) cannot achieve a #strike against durbonium, as he just (a) does not tell us what he would accept as proof ("video showing a rocket? Okay, but that rocket did not REACH orbit!") and/or (b) he just moves the goalpost ("that rocket has to reach ORBIT, not just leave the athmosphere" while not defining what orbit or end-of-athmosphere would be to him).

It is an age-old method of having your opponents run in circles to fulfil your demands while simultanously moving them further (or at an right angle to prior discussion) away. See Jesuits, dialectic - but without their goal to pursuade the opponent.

Durbonium just likes to sniff his own butt whenever he thinks another opponent has given up to meet his unattainable moving discussion points.


I'm asking you to show a rocket that goes up into orbit, which is YOUR claim....

Show me any rocket going straight up, until nobody can see it from Earth, do you get the point here?

When you claim rockets go into orbit, then we'd also expect you to SHOW THESE ROCKETS GOING UP INTO ORBIT, from Earth.

The reality is you cannot show me any footage from Earth to confirm what you claim.

It would be easy to show this, if it was really true.

You believe in all of their Illusions, sad to say...



Posted two pages back



NOT showing a rocket go into orbit from Earth, again and again, doesn't help your case....


No?

Where do you suppose it went?

Ye think it bounced off your dome and hit the ocean perhaps?

Seems like a huge waste



It went over the ocean, and out of our sight, as usual.

Hooray!



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:59 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: neutronflux

You (and we) cannot achieve a #strike against durbonium, as he just (a) does not tell us what he would accept as proof ("video showing a rocket? Okay, but that rocket did not REACH orbit!") and/or (b) he just moves the goalpost ("that rocket has to reach ORBIT, not just leave the athmosphere" while not defining what orbit or end-of-athmosphere would be to him).

It is an age-old method of having your opponents run in circles to fulfil your demands while simultanously moving them further (or at an right angle to prior discussion) away. See Jesuits, dialectic - but without their goal to pursuade the opponent.

Durbonium just likes to sniff his own butt whenever he thinks another opponent has given up to meet his unattainable moving discussion points.


I'm asking you to show a rocket that goes up into orbit, which is YOUR claim....

Show me any rocket going straight up, until nobody can see it from Earth, do you get the point here?

When you claim rockets go into orbit, then we'd also expect you to SHOW THESE ROCKETS GOING UP INTO ORBIT, from Earth.

The reality is you cannot show me any footage from Earth to confirm what you claim.

It would be easy to show this, if it was really true.

You believe in all of their Illusions, sad to say...



Posted two pages back



NOT showing a rocket go into orbit from Earth, again and again, doesn't help your case....


No?

Where do you suppose it went?

Ye think it bounced off your dome and hit the ocean perhaps?

Seems like a huge waste



It went over the ocean, and out of our sight, as usual.

Hooray!



ok theres an assumption... so again, where did it go... over the ocean to where?

why would anyone launch a rocket that size with a payload.... into the ocean? LOL




posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 02:03 AM
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Rockets go up at first, but they all veer off to a vertical direction, and vanish over the ocean, and they crash into the ocean, beyond our sight. The debris is recovered by US military ships, and disposed of. The End.


Why do rockets all veer off, in a vertical direction, if they are going up into Earth orbit?

Because rockets have to 'gain enough speed to break free of Earth's gravity'!

The very same 'gravity' which can't hold a bird or insect from flying above Earth, would somehow grip onto powerful rockets much farther from Earth!! Sure, that makes perfect sense!

And rockets go over the ocean for 'safety concerns', too!


Rockets aren't seen going up into orbit, after they've gone over the ocean... of course!

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posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 02:20 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

mmmkay



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 02:23 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: neutronflux

You (and we) cannot achieve a #strike against durbonium, as he just (a) does not tell us what he would accept as proof ("video showing a rocket? Okay, but that rocket did not REACH orbit!") and/or (b) he just moves the goalpost ("that rocket has to reach ORBIT, not just leave the athmosphere" while not defining what orbit or end-of-athmosphere would be to him).

It is an age-old method of having your opponents run in circles to fulfil your demands while simultanously moving them further (or at an right angle to prior discussion) away. See Jesuits, dialectic - but without their goal to pursuade the opponent.

Durbonium just likes to sniff his own butt whenever he thinks another opponent has given up to meet his unattainable moving discussion points.


I'm asking you to show a rocket that goes up into orbit, which is YOUR claim....

Show me any rocket going straight up, until nobody can see it from Earth, do you get the point here?

When you claim rockets go into orbit, then we'd also expect you to SHOW THESE ROCKETS GOING UP INTO ORBIT, from Earth.

The reality is you cannot show me any footage from Earth to confirm what you claim.

It would be easy to show this, if it was really true.

You believe in all of their Illusions, sad to say...



Posted two pages back



NOT showing a rocket go into orbit from Earth, again and again, doesn't help your case....


No?

Where do you suppose it went?

Ye think it bounced off your dome and hit the ocean perhaps?

Seems like a huge waste



It went over the ocean, and out of our sight, as usual.

Hooray!



ok theres an assumption... so again, where did it go... over the ocean to where?

why would anyone launch a rocket that size with a payload.... into the ocean? LOL



An illusion works best when it appears more 'realistic', obviously.

Those huge Saturn V rockets looked very capable of going to the moon and back, didn't they?

A rocket looks impressive, so it's capable of such magical voyages, for sure!

It's pure theater, and is nothing more than a grandiose illusion.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 02:29 AM
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Werner Von Braun would certainly have known the truth, right?



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 03:17 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

OK. Sure.

It's all a big cover-up.



Riiiiiight.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 03:23 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1
Yes, and how can our radios possibly reach out, many miles away, if they aren't bouncing their signals off of our 'satellites, in Earth orbit?!?!

Radio waves must be able to go around curvature, to find miracles like that!!



You understand there is different frequencies and broadcast powers of transmitters. Satellites use relatively weak broadcast signals that result in their broadcasts being mostly line of sight.

Satellites TV use KU band of 11 MHz to 14 MHz for directTV , or Or KA band 18.3 MHz to 20.2 MHz for directTV.

But that is even a moot point. a broadcasting signal is going to be strongest at its point of origin. Strongest at its transmitter. So you can tell the location of a transmitter by single strength. So you have numerous objects broadcasting from space where their broadcast signal is strongest from their point in orbit.

You create the most ridiculous false arguments.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 03:28 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1
Airships cannot reach 6000 miles up, nor can planes.

A rocket can, and has, reached this height......which is why Von Braun said the firmament existed, in his last words..


Why cannot an airship or airplane reach the moon in your flat earth model. What’s supporting the moon, but doesn’t allow flight?

Did Vin Braun say what the firmament was? Did he say it was the vacuum of space? What is the firmament composed of. I am going with Braun thought the firmament is the vacuum of space? Can you quote Braun on what the firmament is composed of. In fact, site a source and quote Braun’s exact words concerning the firmament.

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posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 03:36 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1



Rockets go up at first, but they all veer off to a vertical direction, and vanish over the ocean, and they crash into the ocean, beyond our sight. The debris is recovered by US military ships, and disposed of. The End.


Wrong.

This video show the rocket going all the why up into space which is only 100 kilometers up.

Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A
m.youtube.com...





Again..

You can see the ISS orbit the earth with the naked eye. Do you have a more credible explanation for wat is orbiting the earth as the ISS.

Most rockets place a payload into space. Most satellites are about the size of a car. Please point out what earth stationary video system would have the speed and magnification to create a discernible imagine of a car sized object captured on video over 600 km away at escape velocity?

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posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 03:42 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Now that it been proven beyond a doubt you are intellectually dishonest....

How does a moon and sun that only circles the earth in the overhead of a flat earth set and rise from behind the horizon in real life?

Flat earth cannot even explain natural events. So you have to create strawman and false arguments concerning technology used every second of every day to distract from earth is a blatant lie.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 04:26 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
a reply to: neutronflux

You (and we) cannot achieve a #strike against durbonium, as he just (a) does not tell us what he would accept as proof ("video showing a rocket? Okay, but that rocket did not REACH orbit!") and/or (b) he just moves the goalpost ("that rocket has to reach ORBIT, not just leave the athmosphere" while not defining what orbit or end-of-athmosphere would be to him).

It is an age-old method of having your opponents run in circles to fulfil your demands while simultanously moving them further (or at an right angle to prior discussion) away. See Jesuits, dialectic - but without their goal to pursuade the opponent.

Durbonium just likes to sniff his own butt whenever he thinks another opponent has given up to meet his unattainable moving discussion points.


I'm asking you to show a rocket that goes up into orbit, which is YOUR claim....

Show me any rocket going straight up, until nobody can see it from Earth, do you get the point here?

When you claim rockets go into orbit, then we'd also expect you to SHOW THESE ROCKETS GOING UP INTO ORBIT, from Earth.

The reality is you cannot show me any footage from Earth to confirm what you claim.

It would be easy to show this, if it was really true.

You believe in all of their Illusions, sad to say...



Posted two pages back



NOT showing a rocket go into orbit from Earth, again and again, doesn't help your case....


No?

Where do you suppose it went?

Ye think it bounced off your dome and hit the ocean perhaps?

Seems like a huge waste



It went over the ocean, and out of our sight, as usual.

Hooray!



ok theres an assumption... so again, where did it go... over the ocean to where?

why would anyone launch a rocket that size with a payload.... into the ocean? LOL



An illusion works best when it appears more 'realistic', obviously.

Those huge Saturn V rockets looked very capable of going to the moon and back, didn't they?

A rocket looks impressive, so it's capable of such magical voyages, for sure!

It's pure theater, and is nothing more than a grandiose illusion.


For what purpose?

Just to distract everyone so they don't know that your religion is right?

Sponsored by the Devil?


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posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

The Sentinel A1 launch video meets the demands. Stop moving the goalpost. Stop blatantly lying about not having your demands met. Stop blatantly being intellectually dishonest. It’s sad and pitiful. Anything to keep your flat earth fantasy alive

From the Sentinel A1 launch video. When the earth based camera captures the send stage separation of the Soyuz racket, the rocket is 176 km above earth and in space.

The video also shows the ejection of the third stage which is at the height above the earth the car sized satellite will be placed in obit.

So you have your video of a rocket going into space, and reaching orbital height. Again, rockets deployed payloads into orbit. They usually don’t orbit the earth. Is that false.


Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A
m.youtube.com...









SOYUZ LAUNCH SEQUENCE
blogs.esa.int...

The second stage is ejected at a height of 176 km above Earth (they will have entered space by now) leaving the trio travelling at a speed of around 13 500 km/h. In just five minutes they will have travelled 500 km over land




Sentinel-1A

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Launch
Sentinel-1A was launched on 3 April 2014 by a Soyuz rocket at 21:02:31 GMT (23:02:31 CEST). The first stage separated 118 seconds later, followed by the fairing (209 s), second stage (287 s) and the upper assembly (526 s).[6] After a 617-second burn, the Fregat upper stage delivered Sentinel into a Sun-synchronous orbit at 693 km altitude. The satellite separated from the upper stage 23 min 29 s after liftoff.

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posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: sapien82

You want me to explain the entire process of landing humans on the moon to you? You take a big rocket, strap some people to it, and point it at the moon.

Here are thousands of pictures taken on and around the moon www.flickr.com...

Please provide evidence that any of them are anything but genuine



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 01:35 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

The Sentinel A1 launch video meets the demands. Stop moving the goalpost. Stop blatantly lying about not having your demands met. Stop blatantly being intellectually dishonest. It’s sad and pitiful. Anything to keep your flat earth fantasy alive

From the Sentinel A1 launch video. When the earth based camera captures the send stage separation of the Soyuz racket, the rocket is 176 km above earth and in space.

The video also shows the ejection of the third stage which is at the height above the earth the car sized satellite will be placed in obit.

So you have your video of a rocket going into space, and reaching orbital height. Again, rockets deployed payloads into orbit. They usually don’t orbit the earth. Is that false.


Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A
m.youtube.com...









SOYUZ LAUNCH SEQUENCE
blogs.esa.int...

The second stage is ejected at a height of 176 km above Earth (they will have entered space by now) leaving the trio travelling at a speed of around 13 500 km/h. In just five minutes they will have travelled 500 km over land




Sentinel-1A

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Launch
Sentinel-1A was launched on 3 April 2014 by a Soyuz rocket at 21:02:31 GMT (23:02:31 CEST). The first stage separated 118 seconds later, followed by the fairing (209 s), second stage (287 s) and the upper assembly (526 s).[6] After a 617-second burn, the Fregat upper stage delivered Sentinel into a Sun-synchronous orbit at 693 km altitude. The satellite separated from the upper stage 23 min 29 s after liftoff.


It's funny how often liars will accuse others of being liars, twisting the reality.

I asked you to present a video, taken from the ground, which shows a rocket launching up into Earth orbit, or at least, a rocket going up until it's barely a speck, from the ground, by naked eye, while later, can only be seen through magnification, at such altitudes......

All you do is post the same videos, as if they'll magically show something different than before!


I've looked at the videos from this source....

www.esa.int...


It shows the Sentinel launching from Earth, veering off to a horizontal path, and that's it. A few edits, which don't show it going up into orbit, either....


You have NOT shown a video of a rocket going up into orbit, or into a little speck, and you will never, ever, find such a video. If you could find one, then of course, you would already have shown it. And you know it.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 01:53 AM
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You fail to understand that I'm asking you for a video taken FROM THE GROUND which shows a rocket going up into orbit, into a tiny speck above the Earth.....

NOT a video supposedly from a rocket, which supposedly shows it is going up into orbit!!

Do you get the point, yet?



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 01:55 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Thats how "orbit" works... the ship doean't go straight up...

if it did it would come straight back down




posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 03:52 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1
You fail to understand that I'm asking you for a video taken FROM THE GROUND which shows a rocket going up into orbit, into a tiny speck above the Earth.....

NOT a video supposedly from a rocket, which supposedly shows it is going up into orbit!!

Do you get the point, yet?


WTF? Why do you think I keep posting the video of the split screen rocket launch. The left side of the video shows video from the on board cameras.

THE RIGHT SIDE VIDEO SHOWS THE PROGRESS OF THE ROCKET FROM EARTH. Is that false?

What is your major malfunction TurboLag, can’t handle flat earth is a blatant lie? Or just lack common sense?

Holly cow. Or to quote you.


originally posted by: turbonium1
Yikes!


The right side and left side videos are synchronized as indicated by lift off and stage separations of the rocket. When you see the 2nd stage separate on the right side video taken from earth, the rocket is 176 km above earth and in space.



Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A

m.youtube.com...











DO YOU GET THE POINT YET!!!!


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