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posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1



Confirming the fantasy, is not the same as proving it actually exists.


How is living in an area where at the house the only option for Internet or getting HBO is through subscribing to a satellite service and correctly aligning the satellite dish with the correct satellite in earth’s orbit.

How is tracking, seeing the International space station pass over head as scheduled as it orbits the earth, people taking pictures of the ISS with telescopes a fantasy?


When you have no clue about what you were actually 'tracking', even with telescopes, because a distant light is all you can see of the object, claiming it is the 'ISS', orbiting Earth, is indeed a fantasy!

Thousands of 'satellites' orbit the Earth, so they must all be invisible, right?

If all sorts of rockets have flown up into Earth's 'orbit', how come nobody has actually seen one fly up, into orbit, before? That's ridiculous!

They claim rockets have to fly around Earth before going into orbit, because they have to reach speeds high enough to 'break' free from Earth's 'gravity'!!

How could 'gravity' not hold a bird or insect from it's massive grip, or hold down airplanes from flying above Earth, yet wield it's powerful grip on a rocket that's way above the SOURCE of the very same force, within Earth, which can't hold a bird from flying against it, when much, much closer, to the source itself?


What force is useless against a bird, near the source of that force, yet grips a rocket, far beyond the source of that very same force?

The force of pure imaginary fantasy-land, called 'gravity', that's the one!


Anyone can see how a force that cannot resist birds opposing it would not resist a rocket from flying far above it....no chance in hell.


It shows the desperation of supporters who make any idiotic excuse for a hopeless argument. A force can't hold a bird which is near the source, yet can hold a rocket to Earth's 'gravity' far away from the source!!

'Gravity' is a ridiculous, nonsensical, lopsided and twisted invention, surely it's time to admit it's garbage!!



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 02:13 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1


If all sorts of rockets have flown up into Earth's 'orbit', how come nobody has actually seen one fly up, into orbit, before? That's ridiculous!


ISS Lunar Transit




posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 02:26 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Then why do I have to point a satellite dish at a satellite to get internet or HBO in my area. And the only way to get that signal is to align that dish to the exact spot in the sky where that satellite is stationed.

Like millions of other subscribers to satellite internet where satellite internet is the only option for many rural folk.

How about satellite radio.

How about satellite phones.



Thousands of 'satellites' orbit the Earth, so they must all be invisible, right?


The international space station and Hubble telescope are. Some of the lower earth satellites are.

Satellites like the SiriusXM satellites are not because they are stationed 22,000 miles above there earth.

Then what is being seen when the international space station travels overhead as seen by my own eyes as scheduled. An orbit not explained by flat earth.
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posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 02:32 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

You’re just grumpy because every working satellite dish disproves flat earth theory. How many satellite dishes are working around this word this second? Killing flat earth theory.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 02:36 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

This launch of this rocket....


Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A


m.youtube.com...



Placed this item into space:


Sentinel-1A

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Sentinel-1A is a European radar imaging satellite launched in 2014. It is the first Sentinel-1 satellite launched as part of the European Union's Copernicus programme. The satellite carries a C-band Synthetic Aperture Radar which will provide images in all light and weather conditions. It will track many aspects of our environment, from detecting and tracking oil spills and mapping sea ice to monitoring movement in land surfaces and mapping changes in the way land is used.

Launch

Sentinel-1A was launched on 3 April 2014 by a Soyuz rocket at 21:02:31 GMT (23:02:31 CEST). The first stage separated 118 seconds later, followed by the fairing (209 s), second stage (287 s) and the upper assembly (526 s).[6] After a 617-second burn, the Fregat upper stage delivered Sentinel into a Sun-synchronous orbit at 693 km altitude. The satellite separated from the upper stage 23 min 29 s after liftoff.



And produced these radar images



Sentinel-1A Satellite delivers first Radar Images of Earth

spaceflight101.com...




The newly launched Sentinel-1A satellite has returned the first images acquired with its high-fidelity radar system. Sentinel-1A is making good progress in its commissioning phase that will prepare the satellite for regular acquisition of high-resolution and calibrated radar images for release through the European Commission’s Copernicus program.

Following a close call in the first night of the mission that featured an unprecedented Debris Avoidance Maneuver (a story told here by the mission team), Sentinel-1A continued its early operations with flying colors – being awarded a clean bill of health and beginning to collect radar images of chosen targets on Earth.


This is some of the access offered by the European Space Agency from the Sentinel Program


sentinel.esa.int...

Sentinel data products are made available systematically and free of charge to all data users including the general public, scientific and commercial users. The data will be delivered within an hour of reception for Near Real-Time (NRT) emergency response, within three hours for NRT priority areas and within 24 hours for systematically archived data.

All data products are distributed in the Sentinel Standard Archive Format for Europe (SAFE) format.

Each mode can potentially produce products at SAR Level-0, Level-1 SLC, Level-1 GRD, and Level-2 OCN.

Data products are available in single polarisation (VV or HH) for Wave mode and dual polarisation (VV+VH or HH+HV) or single polarisation (HH or VV) for SM, IW and EW modes.


How to get Sentinel data



Access to Sentinel data via download

sentinel.esa.int...

The free, full and open data policy adopted for the Copernicus programme foresees access available to all users for the Sentinel data products, via a simple self-registration. News and further information about the service is available here.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 02:39 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

You


It shows the desperation of supporters who make any idiotic excuse for a hopeless argument. A force can't hold a bird which is near the source, yet can hold a rocket to Earth's 'gravity' far away from the source!!

'Gravity' is a ridiculous, nonsensical, lopsided and twisted invention, surely it's time to admit it's garbage!!


Then explain for flat earth what keeps the sun and moon in the sky. Why don’t they sink to the earth or float of if there is no gravity.

If birds can fly because there is no gravity, why does a brick thrown straight up slow, change direction, and fall back to earth.

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posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

I asked about a rocket actually shown going up into orbit, in case you didn't know that.

This is supposedly the ISS flying past the moon, which is pretty funny.

It's a projection of some kind, which is supposed to be the ISS, speeding past the moon, while in Earth orbit.

Look at the frame by frame section, specifically, at the very last frame, before it passes by the moon, at the 2:46 mark....

If this was a real object passing by the moon, it wouldn't partially disappear at this point, it would be the same throughout, until it passes by the moon into darkness.

This shows it is a projection, which cannot work in front of a curving background, along the edge of the moon. That's why it partially vanishes, and the main portion remaining is inside a crater's rim, because it is flatter than the curving surface.


Thanks for showing the level of desperation NASA will go to, in trying to 'prove' the ISS is really in space, orbiting Earth!



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

One. Has nothing to do with a projection. Where is the projector or projectors? How many do you need? What powers them? Who pays for them? Who makes the projectors? Who runs the projectors? Who fixes the projectors? Why can’t you see the projection beam on a cloudy / foggy night? What is it being projected on to?

Two. Post video of the ISS disappearing.

Three. Wow. Hard to record the passing of an object that is 250 miles above earth, with is longest dimension being only 350 feet, traveling at 7 km/s, through clouds and atmospheric disturbances that make starts and plants wink in and out of view.

Four. You are full of crap with no evidence.

Five.


Watch SpaceX send cargo to the International Space Station - The Verge
Loren GrushMay 2, 2019 1:48 pm

www.google.com...




Soyuz undocking, reentry and landing explained
m.youtube.com...


Six. Never mind the astronauts that attest to being on the ISS, the people that make the trip possible, the launch crews, the ground missions crews, and the recovery teams for rerun trips.

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posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 10:36 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
Then what is being seen when the international space station travels overhead as seen by my own eyes as scheduled. An orbit not explained by flat earth.


It is NOT an orbit, you only believe it is, because they claim it is.

Why do you think the light in the sky is the ISS? Oh, right, because NASA said it was "scheduled" to fly over the area you live in at a specific time, and you saw a light cross the nighttime sky at the same time NASA said the ISS was going to fly there, so of course, it MUST be the ISS orbiting Earth!!

Think again. You only see a light crossing the sky, at night, which is very convenient, because it cannot be identified from the ground, of course. It's just more trickery, like the hokey projection on the moon.


Anyway, what about showing a rocket actually going upward, all the way into Earth orbit? They all seem to end up going sideways over the ocean, where they conveniently vanish from sight!!

And when will you have the courage to describe what you see in those video clips? What gives?

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1



It is NOT an orbit, you only believe it is, because they claim it is.


No. Because I can actually see the international space station travel over head and photograph the ISS. The ISS is actually tracked from earth. There is no reason for astronauts and their support crews to lie. The international space station actually broadcasts from space. You cannot provide any evidence the ISS is a projection.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Now. Back to your list....

neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1



Confirming the fantasy, is not the same as proving it actually exists.


How is living in an area where at the house the only option for Internet or getting HBO is through subscribing to a satellite service and correctly aligning the satellite dish with the correct satellite in earth’s orbit.

How is tracking, seeing the International space station pass over head as scheduled as it orbits the earth, people taking pictures of the ISS with telescopes a fantasy?

Your the one that will not stand for their own fantasy and answer to...

How the the sun and moon stay in orbit in the geocentric model. Why don’t they sink to the surface of the earth? Or float off?

Then explained what the firmament is made of.

With all the planet’s in orbit around the sun, retrograde is easily explained.

In the geocentric model, retrograde can only occur if the inner planets actually switch direction to travel backwards. Is that false.

How does the firmament allow retrograde for the inner planets. How does the firmament allow the inner planets to switch direction of travel around the earth in the geocentric model, and then switch direction of travel back again.

If you cannot take your flat earth seriously enough to answer its most fundamental concepts, in the context your questions are always replied to, why would I care about a video you post. Especially when flat earth is a blatant lie, and you post repeated falsehoods. You killed your credibility, deal with its consequences.

Then explain for flat earth what keeps the sun and moon in the sky. Why don’t they sink to the earth or float of if there is no gravity.

If birds can fly because there is no gravity, why does a brick thrown straight up slow, change direction, and fall back to earth.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

One. Has nothing to do with a projection. Where is the projector or projectors? How many do you need? What powers them? Who pays for them? Who makes the projectors? Who runs the projectors? Who fixes the projectors? Why can’t you see the projection beam on a cloudy / foggy night? What is it being projected on to?


First of all, you believe lasers project off the moon, back to Earth.

But, for some reason or other, you think an image can't be projected off the moon, and seen on Earth?

If a laser projection hits the moon's surface, an image projected onto the moon's surface surely could work, right?


Who cares where the projector is, or how many are used, or who pays for them? It only matters that it IS a projection, and not a solid object, supposedly the ISS in Earth orbit. Once we've established it is NOT the ISS, but rather, a projection of some kind, we can then move on to the follow-up questions, of who, why, where, and what method was used.....



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:27 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1



First of all, you believe lasers project off the moon, back to Earth.

But, for some reason or other, you think an image can't be projected off the moon, and seen on Earth?


How is bouncing a range finder laser off a mirror like projecting a constant sized image of the ISS. Where is it being projected on to, and what happens on foggy nights? Or with low thin clouds over head. Ever see a laser projected in a Smokey or dusty room. You see the beam of light.

Why is there never a beam of light seen projecting from a projector on a dusty, cloudy, or foggy night in your fantasy.



Who cares where the projector is, or how many are used, or who pays for them?


So no evidence such a projector exists.



It only matters that it IS a projection


No. The ISS actually broadcasts from space.



Once we've established it is NOT the ISS, but rather, a projection of some kind, we can then move on to the follow-up questions, of who, why, where, and what method was used.....


You haven’t established squat. You have no proof it is a projection, you haven’t shown what infrastructure could make it possible, you are confusing laser range finders for holograms, atmospheric conditions would cause visible beams of light from a projector, atmospheric conditions would change the size and shape of an ISS projection, the ISS actually broadcasts from space, it is tracked from earth by things like radar, seen and filmed from earth, and you cannot discredit the people that attest to being on the ISS, and people that use satellite technology to communicate with the international space station from the ground.
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posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

And the ISS is not the only object in space.

Again..

How is living in an area where at the house the only option for Internet or getting HBO is through subscribing to a satellite service and correctly aligning the satellite dish with the correct satellite in earth’s orbit.

How is tracking, seeing the International space station pass over head as scheduled as it orbits the earth, people taking pictures of the ISS with telescopes a fantasy?

Besides we know man made objects orbit a spherical earth, orbit the moon, and travel to the moon is possible because of:
Satellite TV
Satellite internet
GPS Satellites
Satellite phones
Satellite weather tracking and surveys
Satellite mapping of earth by radar, thermal imaging, UV light.....
Mirrors left on moon used to measure distance
Hubble space telescopes
Various countries space missions to map the moon
The international space station
Skylab space station
The Mir space station
You can actually see satellites and the international space station from earth
Missions to map and explore Mars
Missions to Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, Venus, Neptune, Uranus, Pluto, asteroids, comets...........



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:38 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

This launch of this rocket....


Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A


m.youtube.com...



Placed this item into space:


Sentinel-1A

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Sentinel-1A is a European radar imaging satellite launched in 2014. It is the first Sentinel-1 satellite launched as part of the European Union's Copernicus programme. The satellite carries a C-band Synthetic Aperture Radar which will provide images in all light and weather conditions. It will track many aspects of our environment, from detecting and tracking oil spills and mapping sea ice to monitoring movement in land surfaces and mapping changes in the way land is used.

Launch

Sentinel-1A was launched on 3 April 2014 by a Soyuz rocket at 21:02:31 GMT (23:02:31 CEST). The first stage separated 118 seconds later, followed by the fairing (209 s), second stage (287 s) and the upper assembly (526 s).[6] After a 617-second burn, the Fregat upper stage delivered Sentinel into a Sun-synchronous orbit at 693 km altitude. The satellite separated from the upper stage 23 min 29 s after liftoff.



And produced these radar images



Sentinel-1A Satellite delivers first Radar Images of Earth

spaceflight101.com...




The newly launched Sentinel-1A satellite has returned the first images acquired with its high-fidelity radar system. Sentinel-1A is making good progress in its commissioning phase that will prepare the satellite for regular acquisition of high-resolution and calibrated radar images for release through the European Commission’s Copernicus program.

Following a close call in the first night of the mission that featured an unprecedented Debris Avoidance Maneuver (a story told here by the mission team), Sentinel-1A continued its early operations with flying colors – being awarded a clean bill of health and beginning to collect radar images of chosen targets on Earth.


This is some of the access offered by the European Space Agency from the Sentinel Program


sentinel.esa.int...

Sentinel data products are made available systematically and free of charge to all data users including the general public, scientific and commercial users. The data will be delivered within an hour of reception for Near Real-Time (NRT) emergency response, within three hours for NRT priority areas and within 24 hours for systematically archived data.

All data products are distributed in the Sentinel Standard Archive Format for Europe (SAFE) format.

Each mode can potentially produce products at SAR Level-0, Level-1 SLC, Level-1 GRD, and Level-2 OCN.

Data products are available in single polarisation (VV or HH) for Wave mode and dual polarisation (VV+VH or HH+HV) or single polarisation (HH or VV) for SM, IW and EW modes.


How to get Sentinel data



Access to Sentinel data via download

sentinel.esa.int...

The free, full and open data policy adopted for the Copernicus programme foresees access available to all users for the Sentinel data products, via a simple self-registration. News and further information about the service is available here.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

You


Anyway, what about showing a rocket actually going upward, all the way into Earth orbit? They all seem to end up going sideways over the ocean, where they conveniently vanish from sight!!


The below link goes to a YouTube video showing a rocket disappearing into space on a split screen. Is that false.

A video I linked in a posted reply to you before you ever made the sideways comment.
Is that false.



Onboard camera view: launch and separation of Sentinel-1A
m.youtube.com...



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

You


f a laser projection hits the moon's surface, an image projected onto the moon's surface surely could work, right?


One. The ISS is seen and photographed with no moon in the background.

Two. You believe the moon makes its own light. Is that false. So how would lasers be bounced off what you think is an on lightbulb in the sky?
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posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1


I asked about a rocket actually shown going up into orbit, in case you didn't know that.





posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 01:22 AM
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Thanks for showing the level of desperation NASA will go to, in trying to 'prove' the ISS is really in space, orbiting Earth!


And by the way... Nasa wouldn't be using a Nikon P900 for anything

you bloody Twit...




posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 02:33 AM
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neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

How is living in an area where at the house the only option for Internet or getting HBO is through subscribing to a satellite service and correctly aligning the satellite dish with the correct satellite in earth’s orbit.



Earth cannot be orbited, as it is not a sphere flying through space. It is a flat surface, covered high above by the firmament.

Therefore, no satellites are orbiting Earth, because Earth cannot be orbited.

Satellites are fake, in this respect, because no object above Earth can be in orbit.

This video explains how satellites can relay signals off the firmament itself, to other places on the flat Earth...

www.youtube.com...


At least one more method must be used, as I'll explain below. I'm sure that several other methods would be used, or could be used, as well.

Why must another method be in use today?...

Simply look around, and see how thousands of 'satellite' dishes are pointed downward, or to a nearby building, or even directly pointed at the GROUND....

Like one of my neighbors, for example, who has his satellite dish pointing to the ground. I asked him if he likes 'satellite' TV, more than cable TV..He said he got a good deal on satellite TV, and that's why he switched from cable TV.

I then asked him how his signal comes in when his satellite dish points to the ground....He didn't know, and didn't care, as long as he got the channels he ordered, 24/7, and so far, he had no problems...


This shows how much people, in general, don't give a s^*(^, don't have a clue, as long as they have at least 250-300 TV channels to watch, as cheap as possible.

My neighbor watches the local news, showing a satellite in 'orbit', without a clue his satellite dish can't be getting signals from his front yard, where it points to!! No matter, to him.

And it's not even relevant to know how, specifically, he gets his TV signal, from knowing the signal CANNOT be from a satellite above Earth, in 'orbit. Same as it's true that his signal cannot be from the firmament.


Fibre optics, electromagnetic waves, radar, sonar, etc. send/relay/receive signals of all types, without any problem, without 'satellites', and cellphones use towers for signals, and radios use towers, and their signals reach shortwave radios - thousands of miles away. Without satellites.

We have been told so often, every day, every year, that satellites are in orbit, that's how we can get signals from far away, we know about satellite TV, from the satellite dishes we have, everyone thinks satellites are real, in orbit, sending TV signals to their tiny little 'dish', who cares about technical details, like where to point the dish to get a TV signal?


I'm sure you've seen some 'satellite' dishes, which point to the ground, or nearly so, which are all receiving 'satellite' TV signals?

And you should also understand that claiming satellite TV must be from satellites in Earth orbit, is simply not true.

Unless you believe satellite dishes pointing to your driveway are getting signals from above Earth, you know it's not true.

So you just go on, ignoring it?


Even you know that satellite dishes pointed towards the ground, cannot receive signals from satellites above the Earth, right?

The signals must come from elsewhere, for sure. Nobody can deny that. The actual method(s) used are obviously held secret, but it's not relevant to the specific issue we are debating. Knowing it cannot be from satellites is very much relevant, obviously.

That alone proves they are lying about satellite TV. Why would they lie about satellites?

These same companies install every other dish, as well. Why would you believe that ANY dish would be receiving signals from satellites?

Satellite TV is nothing but a lie, of course.

The most important reason for that incredibly mass-scale lie, that is unknown as a lie, explains why you believe satellite TV is proof of satellites in orbit.

Satellite TV helps to reinforce the whole myth that satellites orbit Earth, and sends signals down to our TV sets.

Satellites take images of Earth from above, is another lie, of course. Air balloons could take those same images, for Pete's sake! But if you keep telling people satellites take those images, people believe it is true. More reinforcement of satellites being real, in Earth orbit, once again.

So more lies about satellites give the impression of satellites being true, and real.


Not one of these satellites are proven to be in Earth orbit, but since nobody can ever prove it, or confirm it, we accept the claim is true, and move along from there.


Sad, indeed.




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