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posted on May, 28 2019 @ 05:55 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

I suppose "Twinkle, twinkle little star" is globe earth propaganda, then? I f you don't understand why stars twinkle or can't even be bothered to Google it then that's your problem, which would appear to be one of many.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 06:02 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

He said Mercury twinkles lol''




posted on May, 28 2019 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

He/she/it says a lot of stuff that is completely bonkers. I initially thought that no-one can really believe that stuff but I am beginning to wonder that they actually might.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1




You've seen Saturn spinning and wobbling like a top, and still deny it spins or wobbles, which is clearly a lie.


NO,

only you have seen it,

the many that say they haven't and only saying you have is indicating what one see's and all others don't.

Delusions




You've seen stars in detail, moving in unique patters, and say it's all an illusion created by the atmosphere. Another lie.


No

NO one has seen stars moving in unique patterns

only you see that, no one else

another indication of......wait for it

that the one who sees what others don't is most likely delusional.




The reality is there, for all to see. Lies won't work anymore.


and claiming all are lying when they say they don't see what you see is the biggest sign of all




posted on May, 31 2019 @ 09:59 AM
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I have absolute proof the earth isn’t flat .


The theory is so ridiculous even Dahboo7 doesn’t believe it .



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
The flat-O-meter? Name the instrument on an airplane that measures the curvature of the earth.



There is no instrument that measures 'curvature', that's the point here.

Why would you measure something that doesn't exist? You get the idea yet?



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: turbonium1

I suppose "Twinkle, twinkle little star" is globe earth propaganda, then? I f you don't understand why stars twinkle or can't even be bothered to Google it then that's your problem, which would appear to be one of many.


I do understand why stars 'twinkle', because they are sources of light energy, moving fast in various patterns, with various colors - same as we see them move fast, in various patterns and colors with magnification!.

It's easy to look for yourself, or look at video clips online, and it's clear to see stars move, in detail, in various patterns, in various colors.

Why would you believe what some 'expert' says about stars, when you can see stars as they really are, in detail....is simply ridiculous.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
The flat-O-meter? Name the instrument on an airplane that measures the curvature of the earth.



There is no instrument that measures 'curvature', that's the point here.

Why would you measure something that doesn't exist? You get the idea yet?


No. The point is what instrument uses pressure to measure pitch of an airplane like you claim.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 06:19 PM
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originally posted by: InhaleExhale

NO one has seen stars moving in unique patterns

only you see that, no one else

another indication of......wait for it

that the one who sees what others don't is most likely delusional.



Why haven't you even tried to describe exactly what you see in those video clips?

You keep on saying it's 'delusional' to see stars moving in various ways, so describe what you see, if you disagree....

Please describe what you see in these video clips, already!



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
The flat-O-meter? Name the instrument on an airplane that measures the curvature of the earth.



There is no instrument that measures 'curvature', that's the point here.

Why would you measure something that doesn't exist? You get the idea yet?


No. The point is what instrument uses pressure to measure pitch of an airplane like you claim.


The Vertical Speed Indicator measures descent, ascent, as well as neither ascent, nor descent, in atmosphere, during flight....

I've already told you this, over and over again...

I've even asked you, over and over again, if you knew what a Vertical Speed Indicator measured on planes.... and you've never replied, of course!


Do you know what the Vertical Speed Indicator (VSI) is??



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

And this has been repeatedly posted for you.



Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!

flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

The Elevator does not directly control the Pitch of the Airplane - it controls the RATE OF PITCH.

I think that Flat Earthers don't understand this concept.

To maintain level flight the pilot must find BOTH the elevator trim and power setting which maintains a constant altitude - they mostly use the Vertical Speed indicator to make fine adjustments to elevator trim to find the constant pitch rate that keeps Vertical Speed near zero and then makes POWER SETTING adjustments as needed to hold that Vertical Speed with a fairly constant airspeed. If you want a higher airspeed you need to both increase power AND adjust the elevator trim so the pitch rate matches OR ELSE YOU WILL START CLIMBING.

This is a fact, I have personally flown small planes and they teach you about power control pretty much from Day #1. You climb & descent mostly by changing the power setting (which changes when you make other configuration changes such as increasing flaps).

Now, how is a pilot supposed to tell that a TINY fraction of the elevator trim has to do with the curvature rate as opposed to all of the other forces acting on the airplane? They couldn't possibly.

A curved gravity equipotential presents ABSOLUTELY ZERO issues for an airplane in flight.

So YES, the PLANE is (technically) constantly pitching forward as it flies the curvature of the Earth. But it doesn't feel like pitch because DOWN is changing at the same time and it's an incredibly slight rate of pitch overwhelmed by other dynamic forces acting on the aircraft.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1



Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!

flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

Conclusion

I think that about wraps it up for this Flat Earth Folly.

Planes are not 'dropping' 8 inches every mile (per se), they are flying along the constant curvature of the gravity equipotential, while constantly adjusting pitch ever-so-slightly by means of the elevator trim setting which controls the pitch RATE of the airplane. ANY deviation from that rotation results in the plane climbing or descending which immediately shows up in the Vertical Speed indication and power settings would be adjusted accordingly. This constantly rotates their 'tangent' so there is no 8" to drop at the end of each mile, it's a constant, smooth, and VERY SLIGHT curve that presents no problems for pilots, and would be virtually undetectable in the face of other forces acting on the airplane, even at 500 mph. The plane is simply tweaked for near zero vertical speed and that's all that is required.

The Attitude Indicator is very clearly compensating for all kinds of precessional forces acting up on it and to remain accurate over the longer term must be tied to the gravity potential as well (so it remains vertically aligned over time, reacting only to sharper movements of the airplane over the short term).



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
The flat-O-meter? Name the instrument on an airplane that measures the curvature of the earth.



There is no instrument that measures 'curvature', that's the point here.

Why would you measure something that doesn't exist? You get the idea yet?


No. The point is what instrument uses pressure to measure pitch of an airplane like you claim.


The Vertical Speed Indicator measures descent, ascent, as well as neither ascent, nor descent, in atmosphere, during flight....

I've already told you this, over and over again...

I've even asked you, over and over again, if you knew what a Vertical Speed Indicator measured on planes.... and you've never replied, of course!


Do you know what the Vertical Speed Indicator (VSI) is??




From “Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!” Concerning VSI



To maintain level flight the pilot must find BOTH the elevator trim and power setting which maintains a constant altitude - they mostly use the Vertical Speed indicator to make fine adjustments to elevator trim to find the constant pitch rate that keeps Vertical Speed near zero and then makes POWER SETTING adjustments as needed to hold that Vertical Speed with a fairly constant airspeed. If you want a higher airspeed you need to both increase power AND adjust the elevator trim so the pitch rate matches OR ELSE YOU WILL START CLIMBING.
flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...





flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

ANY deviation from that rotation results in the plane climbing or descending which immediately shows up in the Vertical Speed indication and power settings would be adjusted accordingly. This constantly rotates their 'tangent' so there is no 8" to drop at the end of each mile, it's a constant, smooth, and VERY SLIGHT curve that presents no problems for pilots, and would be virtually undetectable in the face of other forces acting on the airplane, even at 500 mph.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

So, another false argument by you exposed, dissected, and killed with a knife through the heart.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon

www.reference.com...



The flickering or twinkling effect of lights when observed from a distance is caused by anomalous refraction as light passes through air, schlieren, where temperatures and densities vary. The technical term for this phenomenon is called "scintillation," and it refers to the rapid changes in the position and color of a distant object.
If the light source lies outside the atmosphere of the Earth, such as the stars and the planet, the term for the flickering effect is called "atmospheric scintillation." When the source of illumination is Earth-bound, the phenomenon is referred to as "terrestrial scintillation."
Wind movements that are carrying schlieren flowing across an observer's line of sight causes the light fluctuations that are characteristic of the scintillation phenomena. Studies also show that relative humidity affects the intensity of terrestrial scintillation. As humidity increases, so does the effect of terrestrial scintillation.
When it comes to stars, the light emanating from these heavenly bodies are disturbed by atmospheric turbulence that acts as refractive prisms and lenses, thereby causing the flickering or "twinkling" effect. Since the source of light is so tiny, the point of light falls upon one rod of the retina at a time. Stars will appear to twinkle as the point of light moves from one rod to another.



And yet another subject you're clueless about...

The atmosphere can product all sorts of amazing effects... the aurora borealis is caused by the sun's emitted particles/waves hitting the atmosphere...

On a hot day, I can watch Toronto float in the distance across lake Ontario from the miles away from the shoreline... which is obviously an illusion, but only an example of the amazing things the atmosphere can do to our visual senses...


How could the atmosphere cause vastly unique patterns of movement, specifically for each and every star, while also colored in many different ways, with definition, in such remarkable detail......?

Why would anyone believe atmospheric distortion causes unique patterns of movement, in unique colors, on each star, with stunning detail?

It's nonsense.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Hey. Back to the VSI.

What do you not get about


they mostly use the Vertical Speed indicator to make fine adjustments to elevator trim to find the constant pitch rate that keeps Vertical Speed near zero and then makes POWER SETTING adjustments as needed to hold that Vertical Speed with a fairly constant airspeed. If you want a higher airspeed you need to both increase power AND adjust the elevator trim so the pitch rate matches OR ELSE YOU WILL START CLIMBING.


How much BS do individuals with science knowledge backed by real wold application have to suffer from people pushing the blatant lie the earth is flat have to put up with.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

www.reference.com...



The flickering or twinkling effect of lights when observed from a distance is caused by anomalous refraction as light passes through air, schlieren, where temperatures and densities vary. The technical term for this phenomenon is called "scintillation," and it refers to the rapid changes in the position and color of a distant object.
If the light source lies outside the atmosphere of the Earth, such as the stars and the planet, the term for the flickering effect is called "atmospheric scintillation." When the source of illumination is Earth-bound, the phenomenon is referred to as "terrestrial scintillation."
Wind movements that are carrying schlieren flowing across an observer's line of sight causes the light fluctuations that are characteristic of the scintillation phenomena. Studies also show that relative humidity affects the intensity of terrestrial scintillation. As humidity increases, so does the effect of terrestrial scintillation.
When it comes to stars, the light emanating from these heavenly bodies are disturbed by atmospheric turbulence that acts as refractive prisms and lenses, thereby causing the flickering or "twinkling" effect. Since the source of light is so tiny, the point of light falls upon one rod of the retina at a time. Stars will appear to twinkle as the point of light moves from one rod to another.



And yet another subject you're clueless about...

The atmosphere can product all sorts of amazing effects... the aurora borealis is caused by the sun's emitted particles/waves hitting the atmosphere...

On a hot day, I can watch Toronto float in the distance across lake Ontario from the miles away from the shoreline... which is obviously an illusion, but only an example of the amazing things the atmosphere can do to our visual senses...


How could the atmosphere cause vastly unique patterns of movement, specifically for each and every star, while also colored in many different ways, with definition, in such remarkable detail......?

Why would anyone believe atmospheric distortion causes unique patterns of movement, in unique colors, on each star, with stunning detail?

It's nonsense.


atmospheric distortions of light.... pretty simple...

Speaking of simple... where do you see "remarkable detail" in anything related to stars... or planets for that matter?

Unless you have an extremely high powered telescope which I know you don't... you can't see a lot of detail in anything other then the moon...

Then again, you probably think "remarkable detail' is the sparkle of stars... or Mercury LOL

as per usual... You don't have the slightest clue... just like everything you post


edit on 31-5-2019 by Akragon because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 08:35 PM
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the TL : DR conclusion from various exchanges regarding aircraft , basic avionics and other issues specifically focused on the VSI =

everyone in this thread - with the singular and willful exception of the turbo troll understands all the concepts discussed



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

From “Flat Earth Follies: Planes would have to constantly pitch down to fly!” Concerning VSI



To maintain level flight the pilot must find BOTH the elevator trim and power setting which maintains a constant altitude - they mostly use the Vertical Speed indicator to make fine adjustments to elevator trim to find the constant pitch rate that keeps Vertical Speed near zero and then makes POWER SETTING adjustments as needed to hold that Vertical Speed with a fairly constant airspeed. If you want a higher airspeed you need to both increase power AND adjust the elevator trim so the pitch rate matches OR ELSE YOU WILL START CLIMBING.
flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...





flatearthinsanity.blogspot.com...

ANY deviation from that rotation results in the plane climbing or descending which immediately shows up in the Vertical Speed indication and power settings would be adjusted accordingly. This constantly rotates their 'tangent' so there is no 8" to drop at the end of each mile, it's a constant, smooth, and VERY SLIGHT curve that presents no problems for pilots, and would be virtually undetectable in the face of other forces acting on the airplane, even at 500 mph.


Planes fly over Earth's curvature, because it's a very slight curve, and it's so slight a curve, planes don't need to compensate for it during flights!

1800 feet of curvature flown over, on a 6 hour flight, are not at all relevant!

1800 feet of curvature is "virtually undetectable", obviously!


They claim the 'curvature' of Earth is about 8 inches per mile squared. To follow this curvature, at altitude, requires planes to match the 8 inch per mile squared, along a flight.

Though 8 inches per mile squared seems very, very small, it's a bit like trying to sail across the Atlantic one mile, at a time, hoping to reach the correct destination, over thousands of miles, without accounting for currents along the way, or whatever!!

If planes didn't account for 'curvature', and never measured for any sort of 'curvature', how could a plane possibly make any kind of 'slight adjustments' to account for it, let alone for each and every flight?

Sheer nonsense.


You've claimed a curvature of around 5 feet per mile squared exists over Earth's surface, which indicates curvature has proven to exist by specific measurements of



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Hey. Back to the VSI.

What do you not get about


they mostly use the Vertical Speed indicator to make fine adjustments to elevator trim to find the constant pitch rate that keeps Vertical Speed near zero and then makes POWER SETTING adjustments as needed to hold that Vertical Speed with a fairly constant airspeed. If you want a higher airspeed you need to both increase power AND adjust the elevator trim so the pitch rate matches OR ELSE YOU WILL START CLIMBING.


How much BS do individuals with science knowledge backed by real wold application have to suffer from people pushing the blatant lie the earth is flat have to put up with.



The VSI measures 'zero' - what does 'zero' measure, then?

Any idea?



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