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posted on May, 25 2019 @ 10:32 PM
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Valid evidence supports Earth being flat, no valid evidence supports Earth being round, that's the only reason I support the Earth being flat, as true.

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posted on May, 25 2019 @ 11:17 PM
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You


Retrograde' doesn't exist, as I said earlier.

I asked you to show me any example of 'retrograde' in the real world, around us all, on Earth. You obviously can't find one, because if you had, you'd have shown it by now.


This is a forums, how can I show you “real world” on a forum? Freaking go outside and actually study the real world instead of being told what to believe by online sources.

You



That 'phenomenon', if true, would be easily shown in the real world, and it would be easily PROVABLE in the real world.



I have provided you with posted real world documentation.



What is retrograde motion?

earthsky.org...

Sometimes, as seen in Earth’s sky, the planets seem to move backwards!

Typically, the planets shift slightly eastward from night to night, drifting slowly against the backdrop of stars. From time to time, however, they change direction. For a few months, they’ll head west before turning back around and resuming their easterly course. Their westward motion is called retrograde motion by astronomers. Though it baffled ancient stargazers, we know now that retrograde motion is an illusion caused by the motion of Earth and these planets around the sun.





Prove the cited source is false or inaccurate.



Why Mars Appears to Be Moving Backward

www.livescience.com...

Our solar system is in constant motion, with all eight planets — and dwarf planet Pluto — orbiting the sun. Most of those planets are visible from Earth, even to the naked eye. If you track them in the sky night after night, you'll notice that their position changes slightly; as they orbit the sun, they appear to move from west to east against a fixed backdrop of distant stars.
However, sometimes, some of them seem to reverse direction and travel backward — from east to west — for weeks at a time, before resuming their usual course. This movement is called "retrograde motion." But what does that mean, and what exactly is happening here?

Retrograde motion is actually an illusion. Earth circles the sun faster than planets that are farther away from the sun. And when Earth passes one of those distant planets in its journey around the sun, to those of us standing on terra firma, it seems like that far-off object reverses direction — but that's just a trick of your brain. The planet is moving in the same direction it always has, but our perspective is different. [Seeing Things on Mars: A History of Martian Illusions


Prove the above source false or inaccurate.




The Wanderers

courses.lumenlearning.com...

The word planet is from the Greek planete , meaning “wanderer” . All of the known planets moved against the background stars; the historically-known planets included Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn (and Earth, of course). Mercury and Venus stayed close to the Sun. Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn could be tracked as they moved across the sky. But occasionally the planets were observed to move backwards against the stars. This phenomenon is called retrograde .At the time, the thinking was that the Earth was the center of the Solar System and even the Universe. So the Sun, Moon, and known planets revolved around Earth – called the Geocentric Solar System ; Geo means Earth. How could this retrograde motion occur if Earth was the center of the Solar System and even the Universe? Thus, the planets presented problems.



Why do you think they call the planets wonders, and where do you think the name planet came from?

Just Incase you missed it


Etymology: Middle English planete "planet," from early French planet (same meaning), from Latin planeta (same meaning), from Greek planemacront-, planemacrons "planet," literally, "wanderer"

Word History Most of the stars seem to have fixed positions when they are compared to other stars. There are some heavenly bodies, however, that clearly change their positions in relation to the stars and to each other. They seem to wander about among the fixed stars. The ancient Greek name for such a heavenly body was planemacrons, which means "wanderer." The English word planet comes from the Greek planemacrons. Unlike the ancient Greeks, we now know that the planets "wander" across the sky because they, like the planet Earth, are revolving around the sun.

wordcentral.com...


Is it false to say the reason the planets were originally called “wanders” is due to the fact it was observed by the Greeks. “But occasionally the planets were observed to move backwards against the stars.”

Now....

Then explained what the firmament is made of.

How the the sun and moon stay in orbit in the geocentric model. Why don’t they sink to the surface of the earth?

With all the planet’s in orbit around the sun, retrograde is easily explained.

In the geocentric model, retrograde can only occur if the inner planets actually switch direction to travel backwards. Is that false.

How does the firmament allow retrograde for the inner planets. How does the firmament allow the inner planets to switch direction of travel around the earth in the geocentric model, and then switch direction of travel back again.

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posted on May, 25 2019 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: turbonium1
Valid evidence supports Earth being flat, no valid evidence supports Earth being round, that's the only reason I support the Earth being flat, as true.


Blatant false statement by you.

If the earth was flat, the sun would never set below the horizon.



SKEPTIC INVESTIGATES
Is the Earth Flat?

www.skeptic.com...

Why do the Sun and Moon and stars appear to rise and set? Most Flat Earthers believe that the Sun and Moon are fairly close objects, each just a few miles across, which always hang above the Flat Earth. Supposedly both objects circle around the North Pole on a plane parallel to the Earth’s flat surface while shining down like lamps to illuminate different parts of the disc. (The Sun and Moon are illuminated and kept moving by unknown forces; neither object orbits anything.) If so, the Sun and Moon should be visible all the time from every part of the Earth’s surface. How could such a world ever experience a sunset? We never see the Sun grow noticeably dimmer or smaller with distance as we would in this Flat Earth model; instead, as the globe turns, the Sun passes out of view over the curvature of the horizon.



posted on May, 25 2019 @ 11:59 PM
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originally posted by: turbonium1
Valid evidence supports Earth being flat, no valid evidence supports Earth being round, that's the only reason I support the Earth being flat, as true.


Except physics, astronamy...

Obvious theories you reject like gravity... etc etc

Funny that you can't give a single valid answer yet believe your incoherant rants are evidence

Pure comedy!!


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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 12:37 AM
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Airplanes prove Earth is flat, with their own instruments.

Planes measure the air, or atmosphere, around the plane itself, in flight, to measure for level flight.

A magical force within Earth, beams out 40,000 feet above Earth, where airplane instruments will measure 'level', but it's actually 'level to Earth's curvature'!

Somehow, you think it's crazy to believe in the Earth being flat, after claiming a magical force within Earth makes airplane instruments measure 'level' as 'not really level, but level to Earth's curvature'!!

The reality is that instruments on planes measure level flight, within air. The surface of Earth is not, in any way, being measured for level flight. That's utter nonsense.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 12:56 AM
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You've seen Saturn spinning and wobbling like a top, and still deny it spins or wobbles, which is clearly a lie.

You've seen stars in detail, moving in unique patters, and say it's all an illusion created by the atmosphere. Another lie.


The reality is there, for all to see. Lies won't work anymore.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 12:57 AM
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Yeah we've been over this like 20x... You don't have a single valid argument

Evidence has been shown to you beyond any reasonable doubt... you ignore it...

This is nothing more then amusement to the few left reading your replies... hopefully a lesson to anyone else that might be considering a belief in a flat earth...

Flat earth does not have an argument... just benign ramblings from uneducated simpletons, and unsubstantiated claims that are so far beyond nonsense... it isn't even worth reading aside from shear amusement




posted on May, 26 2019 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1
You've seen Saturn spinning and wobbling like a top, and still deny it spins or wobbles, which is clearly a lie.

You've seen stars in detail, moving in unique patters, and say it's all an illusion created by the atmosphere. Another lie.


The reality is there, for all to see. Lies won't work anymore.




NO... No one aside from you and your species has seen Saturn wobble...

Stars don't move... at least as far as we can see... but of course they are moving like everything else... planetary retrograde is a real thing... You don't understand it clearly as you've shown everyone... And thus claim it doesn't exist... except we know it does... And we know just like every other flat earther knows that understands the idea (unlike you) that there isn't an explanation for it on flat earth

The reality IS there for all to see... morons choose not to acknowledge it, and live in their own little bubble... or dome




posted on May, 26 2019 @ 01:22 AM
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Airplanes prove Earth is flat, with their own instruments.


The flat-O-meter? Name the instrument on an airplane that measures the curvature of the earth.



Planes measure the air, or atmosphere, around the plane itself, in flight, to measure for level flight.


Your above statement is false.

The use of gyroscopes are used to Indicate,
“ climbing, descending, turning or straight and level. It gives a direct indication of changes to pitch attitude and bank.” See cited source below.

Air pressure is used to measure altitude and the rate altitude is changing. Especially when aircraft usually setup to cruse at an altitude with no increase in altitude.




6 Flight Instruments Pilots Need to Know

www.thebalancecareers.com...

Gyroscopic Instruments
Attitude Indicator
The attitude indicator is possibly the most important instrument for pilots. In one glance, a pilot can tell if the aircraft is climbing, descending, turning or straight and level. It gives a direct indication of changes to pitch attitude and bank.

The attitude indicator consists of an artificial horizon that is a background for a miniature airplane. The instrument is meant to depict the sky (usually blue in color) and the ground (typically brown), with a miniature airplane positioned on the artificial horizon (a white line) in level flight.

In most cases, the miniature airplane is attached to the instrument viewing case, and it moves with the airplane. The artificial horizon senses movement from the gyroscope and remains suspended in relation to a self-erecting gyroscope, which "holds" its position in reference to the actual horizon. The gyroscope itself can be vacuum-driven or electric.


You


A magical force within Earth, beams out 40,000 feet above Earth, where airplane instruments will measure 'level', but it's actually 'level to Earth's curvature'!


Pressure is only used to give altitude and indicator the rate of change in altitude. Is that false.

The “The artificial horizon senses movement from the gyroscope“ not a magical force.


You


Somehow, you think it's crazy to believe in the Earth being flat, after claiming a magical force within Earth makes airplane instruments measure 'level' as 'not really level, but level to Earth's curvature'!!


What airplane instrument measures the curvature of the earth?

The use of gyroscopes are used to Indicate,
“ climbing, descending, turning or straight and level. It gives a direct indication of changes to pitch attitude and bank.” An airplane flying level is not dependent upon the topographical features of the earth. Flying at a constant altitude is achieved by flying for zero increase in altitude.

You


The reality is that instruments on planes measure level flight, within air. The surface of Earth is not, in any way, being measured for level flight. That's utter nonsense.


What instrument using air pressure is used to indicate the actual pitch of an airplane?



pitch, nose up or down about an axis running from wing to wing;

en.m.wikipedia.org...




How Airplanes Work
Flight Instruments

science.howstuffworks.com...

Altimeter: As the name implies an altimeter measures altitude. The indicator in this case is a barometer, which measures air pressure.
Attitude indicator: Remember the three primary principle axes we mentioned before (pitch, yaw and roll)? Well, an attitude indicator illustrates the aircraft's orientation along all three. By use of a gyroscope, the indicator provides spatial clarity even in disorienting flight conditions.

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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 01:28 AM
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Now...

Then explained what the firmament is made of.

How the the sun and moon stay in orbit in the geocentric model. Why don’t they sink to the surface of the earth?

If the earth is flat, how does the sun go below the horizon? Especially when the sun’s orbit about the North Pole in the flat earth model is parallel to the earth's surface.

With all the planet’s in orbit around the sun, retrograde is easily explained.

In the geocentric model, retrograde can only occur if the inner planets actually switch direction to travel backwards. Is that false.

How does the firmament allow retrograde for the inner planets. How does the firmament allow the inner planets to switch direction of travel around the earth in the geocentric model, and then switch direction of travel back again.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 01:46 AM
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Nobody can explain how the atmosphere could possibly create distinct light patterns of various colors, and various movements, in detail, because the atmosphere cannot create such magical illusions, in reality.

If a star is light years away, it would still appear to us as a point of light, at 125 x magnification. The atmosphere would only make the point of light less distinct than otherwise, through distortion of the medium. Air does not create spectacular moving patterns of light on points of distant lights. Nothing is found in the atmosphere which makes this possible in any way.

And certainly not thousands of different patterns, and movement, on each and every point of distant light!!


If it were possible, it would be proven to exist on Earth, which is not the case.


Inventing magical phenomenon which don't exist are truly absurd, and utterly desperate.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 01:53 AM
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Tell me what the Vertical Speed Indicator is used for on planes...


Go ahead...



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 01:55 AM
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And explain how curvature of Earth would be measured for on a plane, while you're at it...



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 02:48 AM
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Nobody can explain how the atmosphere could possibly create distinct light patterns of various colors, and various movements, in detail, because the atmosphere cannot create such magical illusions, in reality.


www.reference.com...



The flickering or twinkling effect of lights when observed from a distance is caused by anomalous refraction as light passes through air, schlieren, where temperatures and densities vary. The technical term for this phenomenon is called "scintillation," and it refers to the rapid changes in the position and color of a distant object.
If the light source lies outside the atmosphere of the Earth, such as the stars and the planet, the term for the flickering effect is called "atmospheric scintillation." When the source of illumination is Earth-bound, the phenomenon is referred to as "terrestrial scintillation."
Wind movements that are carrying schlieren flowing across an observer's line of sight causes the light fluctuations that are characteristic of the scintillation phenomena. Studies also show that relative humidity affects the intensity of terrestrial scintillation. As humidity increases, so does the effect of terrestrial scintillation.
When it comes to stars, the light emanating from these heavenly bodies are disturbed by atmospheric turbulence that acts as refractive prisms and lenses, thereby causing the flickering or "twinkling" effect. Since the source of light is so tiny, the point of light falls upon one rod of the retina at a time. Stars will appear to twinkle as the point of light moves from one rod to another.



If a star is light years away, it would still appear to us as a point of light, at 125 x magnification. The atmosphere would only make the point of light less distinct than otherwise, through distortion of the medium. Air does not create spectacular moving patterns of light on points of distant lights. Nothing is found in the atmosphere which makes this possible in any way.


At 125x magnification it would still be "light years" away... which is another subject you don't understand anyways... it would still be a dot... so you could see nothing less then that... and a little sparkle lol


And certainly not thousands of different patterns, and movement, on each and every point of distant light!!


If it were possible, it would be proven to exist on Earth, which is not the case.


And yet another subject you're clueless about...

The atmosphere can product all sorts of amazing effects... the aurora borealis is caused by the sun's emitted particles/waves hitting the atmosphere...

On a hot day, I can watch Toronto float in the distance across lake Ontario from the miles away from the shoreline... which is obviously an illusion, but only an example of the amazing things the atmosphere can do to our visual senses...

Then again... This just might be that wall you flat earth people are always on about




Inventing magical phenomenon which don't exist are truly absurd, and utterly desperate.


Nah... Its just stuff you don't understand... and are too lazy to research...

Though im sure your search engines are all buggered and go directly to flat earth anything... lol




posted on May, 26 2019 @ 05:14 AM
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This has been explained to you, at great length, many, many times before in this thread. The fact that you are apparently unable or willing to understand the explanation is not our fault.
C'mon, face facts, you are trolling us all. No-one takes a single thing you say seriously anyway.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 07:29 AM
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You


Nobody can explain how the atmosphere could possibly create distinct light patterns of various colors, and various movements, in detail, because the atmosphere cannot create such magical illusions, in reality.


What are you getting at? Have a specific example?

You


Nobody can explain how the atmosphere could possibly create distinct light patterns of various colors, and various movements, in detail, because the atmosphere cannot create such magical illusions, in reality.


Incoherent thoughts with no facts. The changes in density in the atmosphere due to changes in temperatures can bend light, and dust in the air plays havoc with the light of the star, and water molecules and ice crystals don’t help either.

Putting a large telescope on a mountain where the air is thinner, and 10,000 less feet of atmosphere to block and distort the view helps. Better when telescopes were placed on satellites like the Hubble Telescope.

A telescope uses large lens and mirrors to collect more light than a human eye. How much light a telescope can collect is its most important feature. And why use 125 times magnification. For hobby telescopes using combination of eye pieces, getting up to 1000 times magnification is not uncommon. You are ignoring the rating for a telescope that gives how mush light a telescope can collect.

Then you have the properties of stars themselves. You have stars of various colors depending on their size, fuel, and age.

I have used a telescope to make a star look brighter. Telescopes collect enough light to make a star not visible with the unaided eye visible. Same for good binoculars. Much more information is gained from instruments like radio telescopes, and analyzing the spectrum of a starts light. Also observing how objects act around a star helps.



And certainly not thousands of different patterns, and movement, on each and every point of distant light!!


Have specific example? Are you talking about distortions from changes in density of earth’s atmosphere, dust, wind, water molecules, and ice crystals? Or actual properties of a star?

You


If it were possible, it would be proven to exist on Earth, which is not the case.

Inventing magical phenomenon which don't exist are truly absurd, and utterly desperate.


What the hell you talking about? WTF does this have to do with flat earth being a blatant lie?
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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 07:30 AM
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Now....

Then explained what the firmament is made of.

How the the sun and moon stay in orbit in the geocentric model. Why don’t they sink to the surface of the earth?

With all the planet’s in orbit around the sun, retrograde is easily explained.

In the geocentric model, retrograde can only occur if the inner planets actually switch direction to travel backwards. Is that false.

How does the firmament allow retrograde for the inner planets. How does the firmament allow the inner planets to switch direction of travel around the earth in the geocentric model, and then switch direction of travel back again.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 09:37 AM
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Speaking of evidence, what way should I look in Sydney to see Polaris? Or how about explain how a sunset is possible on a flat earth without having to resort to claiming the sun is a sentient being that can magically choose to not be seen by half the planet at one time?



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 10:00 PM
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Name the instrument on an airplane that measures the curvature of the earth. Is it the flat-O-meter? How do you measure an airplanes pitch with, “atmosphere”

You


Planes measure the air, or atmosphere, around the plane itself, in flight, to measure for level flight.


WTF? What does measure air or atmosphere even mean? Density? Flow? Temperature? Pressure? Refraction of light? Composition? Ion count? Radiation concentration? Shielding against radiation? pollen count?

How do you use air to determine from an instrument on an inflight airplane the curvature of the earth?


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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 10:25 PM
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I have a watch that will tell me the altitude I use it sky diving. It determines altitude by barometric pressure simply put the higher you go the less atmosphere. The less atmosphere means lower pressure which my watch can use to determine altitude. Planes flying maintain an altitude by using the atmospheric pressure to tell the plane how high it is. when the plane follows a certain altitude the instruments just make sure the pressure stays the same which produces level flight. Did you think planes drop ropes to check altitude? or drop something and count until it hits? every plane uses air pressure to determine altitude. The other method is radar altimeter but they are only accurate to about 5000 ft. Military aircraft will often use it since they will attempt to use the terrain to hide. Commercial flights however dont use it except for collision avoidance systems.



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