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Sure, this ignorant racist will do some good, that some he may deserve credit for and some he may not deserve credit for, but overall he’s very bad news
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Willtell
Sure, this ignorant racist will do some good, that some he may deserve credit for and some he may not deserve credit for, but overall he’s very bad news
Don't get me wrong, I don't think he is a good POTUS, I tried to make that as clear as I could in the OP, am just trying to point out that he is not all bad.
I guess you are right however about how nothing is ever all good or all bad.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
He's better than Pence. Every liberal, Democrat, and progressive I know prefers Trump to Pence. It's the media outlets that are determined to get rid of Trump. And since all the media outlets are owned by Republicans you do the math.
originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Willtell
What makes you so angry at Trump ? He hasnt been in office that long.
What "skin do you have in the game ? "
Can you back up what you claim about Trump ? He is President of the US , you know. Did you speak out on the failed and bad policies of the former President Obama ?
Why do you feel he is an ignorant racist bigot ?
How are you so sure Trump will be a bane to the people of the US ?
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Trump: He’s not all bad..
Lets face it, if you regularly read my threads on ATS there is no escaping the fact that I strongly despise Trump, I have made my views on the man abundantly clear, I even went as far to write a “Why I Hate Trump Thread”. Now this thread is something different, in the last few months on a almost daily basis I have been in some pretty heated debates with Trump supporters and although we strongly disagree with each other I do think it is fair to say that at times they have made some very good points that demonstrate that Trump is not all bad.
Now this thread is not about me taking anything back as such nor is it about me trying to win some popularity with the pro-Trump crowd because I think have gone well past that point. This is something different, I spend a lot of time on ATS bashing Trump so its only right that if I am willing to bash him then its also only right that I recognise when he does something right.
So for example on policy yes I strongly disagree with several of his positions however on abortion I am pro-life so really I cannot find much fault with him on this front. Now that might be controversial for some (note this thread is not about abortion) but there are other area’s of policy were I can agree with him. I cannot recall the exact figures but on the economy jobs are up and the markets are also up. Again its hard to fault a leader who boosts jobs and keeps the market afloat. Actually I am sure there are others, I remember way back at the start of the campaign reading a article about his views on several other policy area’s were I found myself in some agreement with him. ISIS is another example, I think taking a hard line on ISIS is only a good thing so long as he does not escalate the problem. I am also sure that in the future he will take a position that I agree with.
I also think that Trump has been unfairly treated by the media at times. I do think Trump is partly to blame for this in how he has alienated the media with his behaviour at times yet there is no denying that the media has been stretching or twisting things at times. A good example of this I think was when there were reports of Trump making fun of a disabled reporter, however if you look back through Trumps other speeches he has made similar gestures when describing anyone who he views as being a bit of a idiot.
The media do the same when it comes to Trumps views on far-right groups. I think recent events in Charlottesville perfectly demonstrates this, now yes Trumps handling of that situation was pretty poor. However the media then went on a bit of a rant on Trumps history with far right groups. I saw this video in a thread today that a member pointed out to me that I think shows pretty well that Trump is not a big fan of these far right groups.
Now sure I do think Trump is bigoted at times he has said or done things that boarder or racist, but I do not think anyone could watch that video and say that Trump supports far right groups. I think its also important to point out at this point that although the media often portray him in a negative light I do believe that much of this is his own making but the politically left of the media do at times seem to just hate on trump because is now the default setting, even when he is not so deserving of it.
I think the media actually have a devastating effect on how political discussion being had since Trump entered politics. When the media exaggerate all they do feed the calls of “fake news”, even on a issue that is quite obviously not fake news. Almost every news outlet take a anti-Trump stance the problem is that this puts Trump and his supporters on the defence at all times, trying to have a civil and productive discussion when one side is already on the defence is pretty challenging. They treated him like a joke and by extension his supporters like jokes, this has only promoted the kind of political devision we are seeing.
Also its worth saying that, lets face it, he could be a lot worse, he could have been another Mugabe, or Hitler (ahh Goodwinds law beating you to it). In his first 7 months on a almost daily basis he has been taking scandal after scandal so its actually pretty amazing he has not done anything really stupid yet (sure there is still time) that makes a massive difference.
I think its also important to note that deep down I do believe Trump, as POTUS, believes he has the best interests of all Americans at heart, I just also happen to think he is the wrong man for that job for a whole load of reasons I have went into in the past and that are not the topic of this thread.
Those of us who oppose Trump do spend a lot of time in frustration at his supporters for not seeing his negative, seeing the bad in him, but I think its important for us to see that he is not all bad. He is not some despot leader, he just happens to be a leader with whom several of us disagree with on several fronts and have lots of concerns about.
Yet that’s really what it comes down to, a political view point. It is important to remember that for reasons we oppose Trump there are also some who support him for those same reasons. For example one reason I oppose Trump is because of his views on immigration, yet I am sure that their are some who support this. Its not that I am right and they are wrong rather its just that we have a different political opinion and should be mutually respectful of that. Sometimes in the heat of debate that mutual respect gets lots on both sides.