NK. Omitting the rhetoric....

A quick thought on this tete-a tete between the two, it strikes that the nation that is at most risk is SK. Missiles, both nuclear and non-nuclear, sit barely, what, 30 miles from the DMZ to the south's capital.

Massive troop levels as well. The troops could be disrupted fairly easily by air assets, one would think. The big issue is the missiles. That falls back to the THAAD systems.

My understanding was SK 'suspended' the deployment of the THAADS. Perhaps they felt the THAADS would empower a war, either from NK fear or U.S. 'confidence' in winning without significant damage to the south.

Suspending the deployment, if the wording is correct, doesn't mean the systems aren't ready for deployment, or pre-placed in sufficient numbers th negate NK missiles. However, if those missiles aren't deployed the damage to the south could be catastrophic.

Yet U.S. concerns are no longer in just protecting SK. With the continued development of ICBMs the threat is to the U.S., as well.

How willing is the U.S. to provoke massive damage to SK to negate the threat to the U.S,?

Is it safe to bet that the U.S. cannot move without the THAADS well in place? Is it possible that the south backs NK in avoidance of a war that could cripple them as much or more than the north??

Could sea assets intercept any and all outbound ICBMs from NK and with a constant presence thereby avoid the need to take the NK leadership out??

As NK is squeezed economically more and more, do they 'pre-empt'? Is an internal coup in the north even possible??

Many questions? Any answers?

a reply to: nwtrucker

I very much doubt that the number of THAADS would in any way be sufficient considering NK's stockpile. Further more, a big part of Seoul is within artillery range and that is unstoppable.

It would or will be a very bloody encounter.

P

Thaad is up and running in South Korea. Ruined a golf course setting it up there.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Thaad is up and running in South Korea. Ruined a golf course setting it up there.

Redefines the concept of a trap.....

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: nwtrucker

I very much doubt that the number of THAADS would in any way be sufficient considering NK's stockpile. Further more, a big part of Seoul is within artillery range and that is unstoppable.

It would or will be a very bloody encounter.

P

Add in NK's huge number of subs. One assumes the sea assets would have to be fairly close to shore to intercept outbounds. NK could overwhelm those assets with those subs and negate the sea capability to intercept missiles directed outside the Koreas...

a reply to: nwtrucker
Attacking NK will take some massive coordination, and a lot of precision bombs.

It can be done with little fallout to SK, but if it isn't done in a perfect manner, SK will surely suffer.

NK will indeed require a massive first strike, unlike any the world has ever seen.

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: nwtrucker

I very much doubt that the number of THAADS would in any way be sufficient considering NK's stockpile. Further more, a big part of Seoul is within artillery range and that is unstoppable.

It would or will be a very bloody encounter.

P

2 thaad means intercepting up to 20 missiles. That would be more then enough especially since it takes them an hour to launch one. As far as artillary iron dome could be usedone to protect important areas in the city. Them buying enough to cover the city wouldn't be practical considering within a couple of minutes the artillary would be destroyed. Once they fire you know where they are and we'll they just aren't that mobile.

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: nwtrucker

I very much doubt that the number of THAADS would in any way be sufficient considering NK's stockpile. Further more, a big part of Seoul is within artillery range and that is unstoppable.

It would or will be a very bloody encounter.

P

So you take em out early and fast.

Seoul is a sitting duck and everyone knows that, that is why the US, Japan, and SK puts up with them kidnapping, killing and who knows what. The US, SK and Japan have lost, face up to it. I live in Japan and they got kids sitting under school chair with no chemical mask on. Total BS people.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Add in NK's huge number of subs

What , the few rust buckets that the Chinese purchased from the Russians they had left over from pre-Cold War ? Then China donated them to NK because they would cost too much to redo like they did with the WW2 aircraft carriers. They sure do look pretty with the new paint job . Diesel though. Easily tracked and taken out.

originally posted by: musicismagic
Seoul is a sitting duck and everyone knows that, that is why the US, Japan, and SK puts up with them kidnapping, killing and who knows what. The US, SK and Japan have lost, face up to it. I live in Japan and they got kids sitting under school chair with no chemical mask on. Total BS people.

Ducks may sit , but they are quick on the attack.Like a cat . One eye blink and they are on you . Ever heard the old saying "I will be on you like a duck on a june bug" There is a reason for that.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: nwtrucker
Attacking NK will take some massive coordination, and a lot of precision bombs.

It can be done with little fallout to SK, but if it isn't done in a perfect manner, SK will surely suffer.

NK will indeed require a massive first strike, unlike any the world has ever seen.

The USAF turned Iraq into the world's only million hole golf course in no time whatsoever....

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: nwtrucker
Attacking NK will take some massive coordination, and a lot of precision bombs.

It can be done with little fallout to SK, but if it isn't done in a perfect manner, SK will surely suffer.

NK will indeed require a massive first strike, unlike any the world has ever seen.

The USAF turned Iraq into the world's only million hole golf course in no time whatsoever....

Funny you should say that it's almost the same problem. Iraq had the capability to hit most of the middle east and the plan had to be made to prevent that. The battle plan set up a new military doctrine.

Mobile armies almost always defeat static defenses; control of the air and the airwaves is crucial; "synchronization" of air, land and sea forces multiplies the attacker's natural advantages; force should be concentrated on the opponent's weakness; success should be exploited and failure abandoned; and planners should identify the "center of gravity" of the opposing force, determine how best to neutralize it, and plan backwards from that point.

If planed correctly with the correct forces North Korea will have their command and control gone before they know what happened.

Just for you :

2017 Military Strength Ranking

Damn , where is NK ? I cant find em....

a reply to: Gothmog

but south korea produces certain vital technologies to the US that aren't made anywhere else so we are more cautious with north korea to the point of allowing nukes when we really don't want to. north korea is not being occupied because south korea is so important to american industry.

originally posted by: musicismagic
Seoul is a sitting duck and everyone knows that, that is why the US, Japan, and SK puts up with them kidnapping, killing and who knows what. The US, SK and Japan have lost, face up to it. I live in Japan and they got kids sitting under school chair with no chemical mask on. Total BS people.

Ummm...I remember having to sit under my desk or line up against the walls during air raid drills at school...back in the 60's...does that mean we lost the cold war...?

There never was an innocent time to be alive...War and the threat of war have been with the human condition...ever since humans collected together in city states...and long before that even...

It's mistaken to think we're not still the topmost predator on the planet...just because we drive shiny new cars...doesn't mean we don't plow them into crowds of people on occasion...

We are definitely not an evolved species when it comes to territorial or other disputes...we're still lactating mammals...animals even...

Our natures are inescapable...







YouSir

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: nwtrucker
Attacking NK will take some massive coordination, and a lot of precision bombs.

It can be done with little fallout to SK, but if it isn't done in a perfect manner, SK will surely suffer.

NK will indeed require a massive first strike, unlike any the world has ever seen.

President Trump has surely been exposed to that exact plan. One could take that away from his most recent comments ... if they, too, were in the know.

And even though it's a little cliché: Winter is coming.

a reply to: nwtrucker

My understanding was SK 'suspended' the deployment of the THAADS.

Who told you that?

SK will do whatever its US overlords tell it to. THADD missile systems are just the latest thorn on the Asian continent in the Chinese underbelly.

Imagine China emplacing its own anti missile 'defense' systems in Baja, "California"?

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: nwtrucker
Attacking NK will take some massive coordination, and a lot of precision bombs.

It can be done with little fallout to SK, but if it isn't done in a perfect manner, SK will surely suffer.

NK will indeed require a massive first strike, unlike any the world has ever seen.

There's been speculation that the US has developed a new weapon that is more powerful than those used to date (other than nukes and MOAB).

What if they created another MOAB that has a nuclear component?

Is that possible?

a reply to: namehere
Why does everyone proclaim nukes ? If it is , it will be low yield tactical and delivered precise to limit the collateral damage.
We dont need em . We took the 3rd largest best equipped military in the world and turned it into a scraggly disorganized mob in just a few days...think what would happen to #23 many years later...