Trump weighs sanctions on China for refusing to defuse Korea

originally posted by: DupontDeux

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
Its so funny... ironic..

How donald Trump blames Obama, saying he is so soft etc. on North Korea.. etc..

Yet, when Obama was in office, North Korea wasnt doing missle tests every other week.

They did conduct their first successful nuclear bomb test when Obama was in office, though.

And the second.

And its first hydrogen bomb test

And its first nuclear warhead test.

And its first intercontinental missile test.


THEN Trump took office.

.....but it's all Trump's fault. Trump created and armed ISIS too. Least they didn't give Trump a Nobel Peace Prize .

a reply to: Lucidparadox

hehe, i couldnt read past your comment without letting you know your analysis is......really bad!


so you elucidated ONE of many, perhaps dozens of explanations for the reality of the world we are living in.....and i dont think i would be going out on a limb to suggest yours is among the least likely at least due to the fact you fail to include any nuance or complicating factors in your explanation of NK's behavior. The world you are describing just doesnt exist. Its not so simple as "oh, we dont respect this guy so lets fire off some missiles!". No, that sounds a little too much like other similarly mindless simpleton nonsense like "they hate us for our freedom".


to the OP: Trump is playing hardball with the wrong people. First he says hes going to sign that treacherous bill placing sanctions on Russia......and now this?

Man Trump needs to forget this absurd posturing and go the UN security counsel and demand that THEY come up with a solution and if it fails only THEN will America have the moral highground to act because the self important globalist priks that think they know everything will have been shown to be totally untrustworthy and unwise and give us the proper basis for relegating the UN to the trashheap of historys mistakes.

If I owed somebody over a trillion dollars I'd probably not try to tell them what to do; but what Trump says in public and what he says when Beijing calls aren't anything close to the same thing.

I think we can all agree it is a mess, we are all screwed if we do something and screwed If we don't.
Instead of placing blame (waste of time tbh) we should be using our time to come up with solutions for all involved.
Guess thats the job of the diplomats.

originally posted by: omniEther
Who the hell gives any country a right to tell another country to stop testing missles? Get your head out of your a##

If the reality of Kim as a threat was that great he would've been dead a long time ago.

Who the hell thinks giving a 6 year old a loaded handgun with a hair trigger is a good idea? Further shouldnt an adult stop them?

a reply to: DupontDeux

No way does North Korea have a hydrogen (AKA thermonuclear) bomb. They've been claiming it for years, but the actual tests have been consistent with weapons smaller than the two dropped on Japan in 1945. Odds are they're building primitive gun bombs using enriched uranium with a yield well below 20Kt. The tech and knowledge to build thermonuclear devices is locked up tighter than just about anything publicly-acknowledged (the only nations known 100% to possess it are the US, Russia, China, France and the UK), even the basic trigger method for the fusion component is a matter of great speculation.

China at one time could of ruled the world,now they think it's time,they are the true silent enemy,bought Obama Admin,those sleazes took money gave away country,they have the most money at stake

a reply to: Oldtimer2

They will unless the USA goes to war with them. They play the long game they plan for the next decades while we only plan for a fews years.
I saw a good programme called the upcoming war on China.
Scary but taught me a lot about chinese plans.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: omniEther
Who the hell gives any country a right to tell another country to stop testing missles? Get your head out of your a##

If the reality of Kim as a threat was that great he would've been dead a long time ago.

Who the hell thinks giving a 6 year old a loaded handgun with a hair trigger is a good idea? Further shouldnt an adult stop them?

In this comparison America is the 6 year old right?

a reply to: testingtesting

Guess thats the job of the diplomats.

Apparently our diplomats are really crap at their job as they are not looking to diplomacy they want a frigging war.

I know who needs replacing, and it sure as hell is not the other guy.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I fear you are right.
Wad makes people rich...we should hang the death dealers.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: omniEther
Who the hell gives any country a right to tell another country to stop testing missles? Get your head out of your a##

If the reality of Kim as a threat was that great he would've been dead a long time ago.

Who the hell thinks giving a 6 year old a loaded handgun with a hair trigger is a good idea? Further shouldnt an adult stop them?

Tamir rice would possibly be able to answer that question if he wasn't gunned down in cold blood.

a reply to: allsee4eye

I don't know...I tend to err on the side of national sovereignty and reaping what one sows, and not relying on other countries to police and demand things from other countries.

Oh, what a tangled web we've weaved...

What Would Happen if China Decided to Impose Economic Sanctions on the USA?

Trump is demanding that Beijing relinquish its relationship with the DPRK, by unconditionally siding with Washington against Pyongyang. Washington has granted China six months “to prove that it is committed to preventing a nuclear-armed North Korea”, despite the fact that Beijing has expressed its firm opposition to the DPRK’s nuclear weapons program.

The political deadline is coupled with veiled threats that “if you do not comply”, punitive trade measures will be adopted which could result in the disruption of China’s exports to the United States.

Moreover, the White House is intent upon conducting “an investigation into China’s trade practices” focussing on alleged violations of U.S. intellectual property rights. A “Section 301” investigation, named after a portion of the 1974 Trade Act is slated to be launched.

Following the completion of the investigation, Washington threatens to “impose steep tariffs on Chinese imports [into the US], rescind licenses for Chinese companies to do business in the United States, or take other measures, which could, “pave the way for the U.S. to impose sanctions on Chinese exporters or to further restrict the transfer of advanced technology to Chinese firms or to U.S.-China joint ventures.”

In formulating these veiled threats, the Trump administration should think twice. These measures would inevitably backlash on the U.S. economy.

China is not dependent on US imports. Quite the opposite. America is an import led economy with a weak industrial and manufacturing base, heavily dependent on imports from the PRC.

Imagine what would happen if China following Washington’s threats decided from one day to the next to significantly curtail its “Made in China” commodity exports to the USA.

Well, no more made-in-China MAGA hats for the US and no more clothes in Ivanka's stores ...

Importing from China is a lucrative multi-trillion dollar operation. It is the source of tremendous profit and wealth in the US, because consumer commodities imported from China’s low wage economy are often sold at the retail level more than ten times their factory price.

Production does not take place in the USA. The producers have given up production. The US trade deficit with China is instrumental in fuelling the profit driven consumer economy which relies on Made in China consumer goods.

A dozen designer shirts produced in China will sell at a factory price FOB at $36 a dozen ($3 dollars a shirt). Once they reach the shopping malls, each shirt will be sold at $30 or more, approximately ten times its factory price. Vast revenues accrue to wholesale and retail distributors. The US based “non-producers” reap the benefits of China’s low cost commodity production.

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Chinese policy makers are fully aware that the US economy is heavily dependent on “Made in China”.

And with an internal market of more than 1.3 billion people, coupled with a global export market, these veiled US threats will not be taken seriously by Beijing.

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
China at one time could of ruled the world,now they think it's time,they are the true silent enemy,bought Obama Admin,those sleazes took money gave away country,they have the most money at stake

How are they the true silent enemy? The enemy is the west! Look at Iraq, look at libya. God knows how many terrorists the west has made over the years.

If there is any danger for this planet. It will be caused by the west.

a reply to: Jay-morris

The fearmongering is working fine on Americans, that's all that matter for getting their consent about a new war.