POPS [ privately owned " public spaces ] a rising problem

i am unsure if this phenonemon is prevelant in other countrues - but in the UK - we has a farce known as :

" POPS " - privately owned " public spaces " - yup you read that right - even the name is a joke

these pseudo public areas are on the rise in london especially - as developers buy up increasingly large areas around thier sites

and the problem is not so much the concept - but the way they are managed

unlike " traditional " public spaces that are owned by national or local govt entites these POPS - have very poor accountability , transparency , redress of greivance , - they are "policed " by private security " enforcing " " regulations " that are secret over a range of areas that are largely unmarked

see : source article for a " big picture " overview of the problem

my greatest issue with this trend is the fact that few of these areas are defined as private land that is masquerading as public space

and the killer is - the fact that thier " regulations " are secret [ i read this as " we can pake it up as we go " ]

the corporation is the new state

as I stated in a recent thread... welcome to the Neo-Fuedal system and the second dark age.

Remember the last dark age came during a great cooling period...

Sounds right- buy up the land, enforce the rules you want.

Hell, if I could afford it is buy up the whole damn county and run it like my own little country.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

We have a similar grab for public lands in the western US states. The Republican party and Trump want to open the public lands for fracking and mining and private ownership.

You need Robin Hood in your hood.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: ignorant_ape

We have a similar grab for public lands in the western US states. The Republican party and Trump want to open the public lands for fracking and mining and private ownership.

What do you have against private ownership?

Not everyone wants to be part of your liberal dystopia.

a reply to: Metallicus

I live in Idaho. The citizens of Idaho, Native Americans, conservatives, religious majority, do not want to give up our public lands either. Raul Labrador found that out.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

It seems every litle space found in the Cities is being bought and turned into housing && business projects! They are ruining the views for everyone and lessening the amount of space people can walk around in.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I know I'm probably dating my self here but do you remember Cyberpunk 2020? Same thing but expanded. Most city blocks had privatized armies/security/government ran by private corporate interests.

Interesting to see it happening right before that universe takes place.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Metallicus

I live in Idaho. The citizens of Idaho, Native Americans, conservatives, religious majority, do not want to give up our public lands either. Raul Labrador found that out.

I hate to break it to you, but your state voted for Trump and the Republicans. If they didn't like them they had a chance to vote for someone else.

a reply to: Metallicus

Did you attend his town hall meetings? He got told and the protests with emails has made him back down from promoting that policy. Hey, give away all the public lands you want in your state, but Idahoans are united in keep your grubs off our public lands.


ETA Idaho has voted republican for 25 years because they are religious and staunch anti abortion, the number one issue. This land grab just came up with Raul Labrador and he better listen to keep his job.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: ignorant_ape

We have a similar grab for public lands in the western US states. The Republican party and Trump want to open the public lands for fracking and mining and private ownership.

What do you have against private ownership?

Not everyone wants to be part of your liberal dystopia.

Public land is meant to be public owned, isn't it?

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: ignorant_ape

We have a similar grab for public lands in the western US states. The Republican party and Trump want to open the public lands for fracking and mining and private ownership.

I've attached a couple links re: "Welfare Ranchers" The names included are Walton from ChinaMart™ fame and Simplott, being an Idahoan.. (I played baseball in Idaho Falls-Pioneer League and Boise-Northwest League. Beautiful area and people) Not only are these Billionaire$ making a ton of $$$, they are also obtaining something every humanoid NEEDS to live, WATER!! They're buying up the PRIVATE ranches and farms for "Water Rights"

Please see attached:

www.publiclandsranching.org...

a reply to: JimNasium


I got cut off...


www.publiclandsranching.org...

www.thedodo.com...

I HAD to include the links, it was a MUST

Stay Hydrated... (While it is still FREE!!!)

•Remember when air/water was FREE at where one gets fuel for the vehicle? That goes back to when these places were named "Service Station" Now it is a 'Mini Mart' and although the cashier does nothing more than accept/exchange $$$ they think they are deserving of a 'tip'... Now 'Air' to fill the tires is $1.50 !!

a reply to: JimNasium

That is a lot of information. I do agree that water resouce will be the new gold.

Here in the states we changed over from Public lands to private when the Forestry Department was placed under the Department of Agriculture. Making the public in public land go away, now becoming 'agriculturally' harvestable (as in lumber, mining, fracking, whatever]. They want every bit of land to be ravage-able for resources, so get off their property.

The "Public' don't 'own' it any more, the "Private" corporations do.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: JimNasium

That is a lot of information. I do agree that water resouce will be the new gold.

That'd be that day. Anyone who lives in a place where humans were meant to live would be Kings.

There's fresh, clean water all around where I live- North East USA.
Don't even need to put a hole in the ground as it is.

a reply to: lordcomac
We have farmers and ranchers here in West with thousands of acres of wheat and livestock. All need water, not counting industries. New residential is getting hard to find because of lack of water.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

O.k., well, thats really just weird. And as far as I know, its unheard of in Texas. What does happen here is some rich people will donate land to a municipality for express purposes, like a park or park with fountain space or something like that. Most all privately owned property is fenced and has no trespassing signs and thats all for liability purposes. If I were an English person owning one of these POPS Id be concerned some yahoo would trip over a bumb in the sidewalk and sue me. These people must carry some heavy duty liability insurance.

Yet another footnote for the decline of the United Kingdom.

This country has totally surrendered it's sovereignty to corporate interests. It's gotten terrible since 1997. Things weren't great before then either.

In Brexit we will merely trade our current corporate masters for different ones.

We need a good 1950s nationalisation campaign.