monk comes out of a ufo, Pournoy-la-Chétive, france 1954 (humanoid encounters)

INTRODUCTION
yet another report of something... unexpected exiting a ufo
source: ufologie.patrickgross.org...
CASE

The "flying saucers" are still the talk of the town Three children of Pournoy-La-Chétive claim to have seen an odd machine and curious small man who talked to them. Three children of Pournoy-la-Chétive have just affirmed to have seen in the evening of Friday an odd machine going down from the sky and a strange small man coming out of it, and talk to them. Such is the news which spread in the villages of the Seille. It was not about a joke of bad taste. The children, indeed saw something abnormal and were the witnesses of a particular event which "struck them in such way that they lost their appetite and that they returned on their premises trembling of fear and thrown into a panic. But it is impossible to know if this was real fact or the involuntary disfiguration of an authentic and natural scene, by imaginations impressed after many accounts. Gilbert Calba, aged 11; Daniel Hirsch, aged 9, and his little brother Jean-Pierre, aged 5, had gone, Friday evening, to a skating party on the secondary road n° 41, at the entry of the disastered village. It was 07:30 P.M., and the night fell. Suddenly, near the cemetery, the children attended the phenomenon. Here the scene such as told Gilbert and Daniel, 2 excellent pupils of Mr. Martignon, the teacher of Coin-sur-Seille: "In the sky, we saw something luminous. It was a round machine of 2 m 50 of diameter approximately, which landed a little in front of us. The apparatus had black, yellow and white stripes and rested on 3 feet. We awaited 1 minute or 2 and a man came out of it. He had a lamp lit in a hand, a lamp which launched rays, and in the other hand, a luminous object in the shape of a cross. The man had large eyes, a hairy face was very small, 1 m 20 perhaps. He was deessed of a black dress, like a priest. He stared at us in the eyes. We were afraid, but we could not move. He said something in a language that we did not understand. When he extinguished his lamp, we run away. After, we saw something luminous in the sky which went away very quickly." And Gilbert Calba added: "is not to be noticed that I say that, but I swear to you that I saw it..." Another inhabitant of Pournoy, Robert Maguin, aged 15, also saw, it seems, the mysterious machine, in the sky. Such is this curious relation which leaves perplexed. For its part Mr. Delacour, the sympathetic Mayor of Pournoy, hesitates to decide: "I tell you frankly, I do not believe too much in the flying saucers... I am a little like Saint Thomas... But after all, there could have something to it." As for Mr. Léonard, the devoted secretary of the Town hall, he only comes only Saturdays and, in the present case, he is satisfied to simply doubt... Perhaps the future will tell if the 3 children were the toys of a too wild imagination.

COMMENTS BY HUMANOIDLORD
truly an bizzare case apparently the witnesses saw an religious figure come out of an ufo in a way similar to the fatima encounters as an be seen by the fact that the humanoid was holding an cross and the fact that the case happened near an graveyard is also very sugestive
after a case like this we have to ask yourselves: are ufos and the things that come out of them really extraterrestrial?

Three children of Pournoy-La-Chétive claim to have seen an odd machine and curious small man who talked to them.

a reply to: humanoidlord

Problem #1 with this story.

a reply to: seasonal

you are going to ignore this report just because its children? really?
nevermind the fact that the humanoid reported looks nothing like the martians popular at the time

No, but you have to ask yourself what you can do with an old story like this. You're stuck with what those kids say they saw. you can't get any more evidence or any more corroboration. Witnesses are unavailable. You can't elaborate on the story. You can't confirm it. all you can do is say, "Look at this story." Then you file it away along with many other similar stories.

a reply to: schuyler

and the problem is?
oh boy here comes the "evidence" strawman again, you know that the humanoid phenomena is built exactly so no evidence can be obtained? did you think that the MIB were from the military? haha no! they are just another type of humanoid

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: schuyler

and the problem is?
oh boy here comes the "evidence" strawman again, you know that the humanoid phenomena is built exactly so no evidence can be obtained? did you think that the MIB were from the military? haha no! they are just another type of humanoid

yay ?

and...

a reply to: badw0lf

i say the same: and?
yes it sounds weird, i have you ever read an book called passport to magonia? if not read it now

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: schuyler

and the problem is?
oh boy here comes the "evidence" strawman again, you know that the humanoid phenomena is built exactly so no evidence can be obtained? did you think that the MIB were from the military? haha no! they are just another type of humanoid

Strawman? I don't see it myself. I don't think that word means what you think it means. You've got a nice, brief story with very little detail and zero analysis on your part. I say again: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? How do you fit this story into context? How does the story change your understanding of anything? Do you suddenly have "proof" where you didn't have it before? Because you read this fifty year old story are you now sufficiently enlightened to understand all UFO phenomena? How does this story differ from ones in the 1700s where kids reported seeing elves in the woods? Is that all you've got? You are not providing anything particularly elucidating here. Rather than coming to an understanding of the deficiencies of this story, all you are doing is attacking anyone who points these deficiencies out.

a reply to: schuyler

How does the story change your understanding of anything?

should it?
its just an story

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: schuyler

How does the story change your understanding of anything?

should it? its just an story

Which explains why your thread is going nowhere.

Maybe they saw small airplane carrying a priest?

COMMENTS BY HUMANOIDLORD
truly an bizzare case apparently the witnesses saw an religious figure come out of an ufo in a way similar to the fatima encounters as an be seen by the fact that the humanoid was holding an cross and the fact that the case happened near an graveyard is also very sugestiveafter a case like this we have to ask yourselves: are ufos and the things that come out of them really extraterrestrial?

Jaque Vallee researched European archives and found that UFOs had appeared with what might be understood today as projected images of holy or christ like figures and other religious symbology, going back centuries. Perhaps another question is, is there a group of other worldy people using such symbology to encourage religous concepts or are they using representaions which resonate with universal human perceptions?

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: schuyler

and the problem is?
oh boy here comes the "evidence" strawman again, you know that the humanoid phenomena is built exactly so no evidence can be obtained? did you think that the MIB were from the military? haha no! they are just another type of humanoid

So, whats the rationale for humanoid MIBs posing as government agents to force humans not to discuss what the same humanoids are showing them?

The article quoted in the OP was published in the regional newspaper Le Républicain Lorrain, Metz, France, page 6, October 10, 1954.

It seems 3 days later the same newspaper published another article: (Le Républicain Lorrain, Metz, France, October 13, 1954)

The "saucer" of Pournoy was only a vision

In a previous article, we had reported the statements of children who had seen, in Pournoy-la-Chétive, a "flying saucer" and a small man dressed in black. Since this day, the population had lived in fear of new appearances and locked up twice at nightfall. A discrete investigation, having been carried out, made it possible to identify the so-called "Martian" who is no other than an inhabitant of the locality.

Indeed, the latter being retained that day by his work, had not been able to go for grass for its rabbits before nightfall. Whereas he was at the exit of the village, close to the cemetery, and on the return way, he had to make use of his flashlight several times. Children playing in the vicinity were sized by fear and fled all trembling to the residence of their parents, in spite of the vain words of the "Martian", who tried to make himself be recognized. As for the flying saucer, no doubt that it was also pure imagination.

Source: ufologie.patrickgross.org...

a reply to: schuyler

look, franly i think you should get out im showing a case wich has never shown here in ats before because i cant stand political threads anymore

a reply to: stormcell

more likely an helicopter

a reply to: Gianfar

bingo! but jacques also said they are interdimensional wich i agree with him

a reply to: Gianfar

to build the idea of a gov cover up and the idea they are extraterrestrial

a reply to: Agnost

however later an investigator published this:

At Pournoy-La-Chétive, in Moselle, on October 9, 1954, four children, Gilbert Calba, 12 years and the oldest, Robert Maguin, Daniel Hirsch, and Jean Pierre Hirsch, reported a UFO phenomenon. The sight of an occupant at the time was allotted to the presence of an inhabitant who collected grass for the rabbits while using a flashlight, which would have deceived the children. French ufologist Jean Sider explains that he carried out a counter-investigation: he went to Pournoy-La-Chétive on June 22-23, 1989 to meet the witnesses there. Gilbert Calba initially did not want to confirm the observation, refusing to speak about it. After insistence of Jean Sider, he admitted that he had seen a moving source of light in the sky which he could not identify. Jean Sider had the strong impression that this witness did not want to speak any more about the events. A few days later, Jean Sider ended up discovering an article on page 5 of the regional daily newspaper "La Lorraine" of October 11, 1954 [Ref. ll1:], where it is said that the father of Gilbert Calba severely punished his son for having spoken about his sighting all around in the village. Sider could not meet Daniel Hirsh, who however confirmed his observation in a telephone conversation with the ufologist Christian Jay. Jean Pierre Hirsch still remembered to have seen a non dazzling white-blue light, which went down punctually towards the ground. He did not see occupants but claimed that the place of the alleged landing remained visible during a dozen years because the grass, according to him, did not grow back there. He specified to Jean Sider that the people in the village mocked them badly, and that it had deeply affected Gilbert Calba, who was the oldest of the group (aged 12) and thus the "chief" of their group. Robert Maguin, who was furthest away from the other 3 witnesses, confirmed the presence of a luminous phenomenon that he still could not explain, but was reluctant to speak about the incident. Jean Sider asked each witness if they were actually contacted by Gerard Barthel and Jacques Brucker, as they claimed, and he learned that they had only contacted Gibert Calba by phone. Jean Sider gives his opinion on this case in these terms: "In the worst case, the occupant is maybe a confusion, even if its description does not correspond to anybody in the country (and it doesn't by far) but there was at least a CE2 at Pournoy-La-Chétive, with a possibility of CE3." Elsewhere in his book, Jean Sider indicates that the counter-investigation by Barthel and Brucker is "imaginary".

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: Gianfar

to build the idea of a gov cover up and the idea they are extraterrestrial

So correct me if I'm mistaken, you're saying that the non-human MIBs are posing as government agents, using intimidation as both a catalyst for individual resolve in the witness of ETs, and as a counterbalance to prevent all out anti-government chaos.