Trump is right. Poor people should be lifted out of poverty.

Poor people should work and become middle class instead of staying home and live off welfare paid for by tax on the rich. Society should be dominated by the middle class, not by the poor. If Democrats had their way, it would be like socialism and society would collapse after tax becomes more than 50% of income and the poor become majority of society. Michigan unemployment rate already down to turn of the of millennium level, all thanks to Trump.

Michigan's most recent jobless rate dipped to a level not seen since August 2000, state officials said today.

The Michigan jobless rate in June 2017 was a full percentage point below the state's June 2016 rate of 4.8 percent.

At the same time, the national jobless rate declined by a half percentage point to 4.4 percent in June.

www.mlive.com...

I don't know what "class" your in but it's a lot easier looking down from somewhere high. I'm a "low-middle class" and I'm surprised I'm not one of the poor.

We can't take these half percent points as a win. Just because people are working doesn't make them better off. The cost of living is so high. I'm in small counties and it's like major city living. It's terrible.

Don't celebrate yet. There's a lot more hurt coming before there's healing.

a reply to: ConscienceZombie

I'm working class. I work to make a living. I never took welfare. I don't want it even if I need it. I have dignity. Even if I don't have money, I grow my own food to survive.

originally posted by: ConscienceZombie
I don't know what "class" your in but it's a lot easier looking down from somewhere high. I'm a "low-middle class" and I'm surprised I'm not one of the poor.

We can't take these half percent points as a win. Just because people are working doesn't make them better off. The cost of living is so high. I'm in small counties and it's like major city living. It's terrible.

Don't celebrate yet. There's a lot more hurt coming before there's healing.

"Location , location , location"

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: ConscienceZombie

I'm working class. I work to make a living. I never took welfare. I don't want it even if I need it. I have dignity. Even if I don't have money, I grow my own food to survive.

You cant grow food with no money.
Just saying

Garbage unemployment numbers are garbage.

They've been garbage for years. They're still garbage now.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: ConscienceZombie

I'm working class. I work to make a living. I never took welfare. I don't want it even if I need it. I have dignity. Even if I don't have money, I grow my own food to survive.

Accepting help when it is needed is not undignified. Sometimes it is necessary. Treating it like a free ride while supplementing that income with something else, legal or otherwise, is undignified.

Btw, you can be poor even when you have a job. Having a job does not make you "middle-class" .
That's not how real life is.

Back in the late 1960s to mid 1970s Middle class was the main portion of the US population .
But it was all do to the rise of industry after ww 2 The US was the first to learn mass production .
By doing so expensive items like cars and radios became common place and within reach of most people at the same time creating a job market the likes of which had never been seen .
This gave people the ability to demand better wages as there were more jobs then employs .
With the death of industry a slow decline took place now that decline is speeding up as robots take over even fast food joints .
So Trump may want to raise the poor you may hate the fact so many need welfare to live but the job numbers incress are Unsustainable .
The small gain that it really isnt anyway and the jobs all just low low class as well .
Ride the Trump train if you want but he has not built the tracks and the train will run right off them just as fast as its been put on them .
The old days are over midclass will die ( and has already been redefined to 12 $ a hour or more ) that its self is a lie .
Funny thing is we have no choice no matter what Trump does or what you want .What america did in teh 1960ds could not be sustained ether .
after all you can only consume so much and what happens once the market is flooded ? well look at wale world and see the value of what is there .Supply and demand will quickly end profits .
It will quickly get to the point companies are making pennys to the dollar and that is the end .
after all look at a bik 1 $ they make pennies on it

a reply to: allsee4eye

I know many,many people who work and one paycheck from being homeless. They have never been on welfare or food banks either. For now, they have family and friends who can give a helping hand. But, it's a house of cards. Something is way out of balance in our economy when two incomes can hardly meet rent rates.

He is right- but I thought this was common sense.

It is hard, though. I remember getting out of school and getting myself a mcjob. I remember watching my less intelligent classmates Also get mcjobs, then get fired because they had to work ethic.
Far forward six years, I have a mortgage on a place in the city (expensive), live alone, and have no car payment.

All of that in the face of the economy tanking, and everyone around me losing the shirts off their backs.
After seeing the free fall that is the value of USD over the last presidency, and hearing murmurs of finally ending q.e., I'm truly worried that the dollar is about to break.

Less than two percent of the dollar is in print, yet there are entire shipping containers of cash moving around this planet as I write this. Your average well off person has fifty bucks in their wallet, and your average poor person has a hundred bucks in the bank.

Meanwhile the upper class have an amount of money the poor can't even visualize.

How to fix this, I don't know. Raising minimum wage just hurts small business. We'd have to start crippling big box stores, for sure- but then the prices of their cheap junk goes up, causing more expenses for the poor who can't afford to shop anywhere else.

It's going to be a wild ride...

originally posted by: ConscienceZombie
I don't know what "class" your in but it's a lot easier looking down from somewhere high. I'm a "low-middle class" and I'm surprised I'm not one of the poor.

We can't take these half percent points as a win. Just because people are working doesn't make them better off. The cost of living is so high. I'm in small counties and it's like major city living. It's terrible.

Don't celebrate yet. There's a lot more hurt coming before there's healing.

We're middle class, low end. Life has never been easy for us. Things really took off for us during the Bush years; they stalled out during Obama, but they didn't completely stop. It's all a matter of patience and constructing a realistic budget and living within your means as much as you can.

The big problems are when the unexpected emergencies come up. How you deal with those and your capacity to do so.

We've learned the hard way that while saving sucks, it can be a godsend in those emergencies. So less ... less house ... less car ... less ... works out to be more in the end.

a reply to: lordcomac

Raising minimum wage hurts more than just the poor. The results in Seattle show that it hurts the low wage earners it's supposed to help too. Less jobs, less hours, less overall for them even if on the face of it they are getting more.

But then, having lived through an artificial minimum wage hike while working my own McJob, I saw all those things happen in a microcosm and could have told them. I have said it here multiple times.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah, I've said it too. I sold that house to get out of the city around the time they were pushing to bring the minimum wage up to 15 ... From 7.25 or so.

Would have destroyed the place, I'm glad it didn't pass... But it was too close. I still work down there, those people are destroying themselves and don't seem to get it.

a reply to: allsee4eye

Poor people should work and become middle class instead of staying home and live off welfare paid for by tax on the rich

A hypothetical question for you..

If there are 1 million poor people and only 500,000 middle class jobs...

How do all the poor become middle class?

If it were somehow easier to start a successful business, that would be the way to raise the employment numbers. But because most are scrapping by and banks aren't loaning the seed money, most great ideas are never realized. I've got a few good ideas, sure winners, but I'd have to come up with the funds. Hard to save for that when it's so expensive to live. Even if you were good at making grant requests, you'd need 1/3 to 1/2 matching funds on hand.

Starting a business on a shoestring is not just hard, but nearly impossible these days. To start a successful business, you need to spend all your time working on it to succeed, not possible when your working long hours or have two jobs just to get by. To get anything done, you need the time and money, not really possible if your working all the time just to survive.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Poor people should work and become middle class instead of staying home and live off welfare paid for by tax on the rich. Society should be dominated by the middle class, not by the poor. If Democrats had their way, it would be like socialism and society would collapse after tax becomes more than 50% of income and the poor become majority of society. Michigan unemployment rate already down to turn of the of millennium level, all thanks to Trump.

Michigan's most recent jobless rate dipped to a level not seen since August 2000, state officials said today.

The Michigan jobless rate in June 2017 was a full percentage point below the state's June 2016 rate of 4.8 percent.

At the same time, the national jobless rate declined by a half percentage point to 4.4 percent in June.

I disagree with the premise of your thread.

Trump has hurt the economy more then helped it. In Virginia, the governor has stated:

“Russia was actively involved in destabilizing our democracy,” and they had help from “treasonous” Americans, McAuliffe told Isaac Dovere in the latest episode of Off Message podcast, coming Tuesday morning. “Somebody had to give these people a roadmap,” McAuliffe said, though he wouldn’t name names. “So I believe somewhere in this, somebody was directing the Russians on whose names to use, what impact these certain people sending a memo would have on the American electorate. I mean, they just didn’t sit over in some cubicle over there somewhere in MoscoCNBCw and figure this out.” WHAT MCAULIFFE SAID TO TRUMP, over dinner at the White House at the end of February for the National Governors Association reception: “I looked him face to face, four inches from his eyeballs, and said, ‘Everything you have done has hurt my economy.’”

Politico

Immigration:

The Trump administration has promised a series of "pro-business" policies, from deregulation to tax reform. It has also begun a crackdown on unauthorized workers already in the U.S. and has proposed new restrictions on those who want to come here. That immigration policy will make it harder to create and fill new jobs, especially in industries that rely most heavily on unauthorized workers, including farming, construction and leisure and hospitality.

CNBC

A preliminary analysis by the Stephen S. Fuller Institute at George Mason University predicts that the president’s budget in its current form would cause the region to lose at least 20,000 federal jobs and take at least $2.3 billion in federal salaries out of the economy. The same analysis said the budget would eliminate up to 12,000 private sector contractor jobs here by decreasing procurement spending.

the president’s hiring freeze may be having some effect. One economist said the D.C. Department of Employment Services, which processes unemployment insurance requests, reported a substantial uptick in unemployment insurance applications coming from federal workers in January.

But, there is a light at the end of the tunnel!

Some are also hoping that the president’s plan to increase defense spending by $54 billion will bring new business to federal contractors. But if Trump’s promise to build more planes and ships holds true, the benefits of such a defense build-up will mainly go to shipyards and warehouses in places like Texas and Virginia Beach. The D.C. area’s business community has little in the way of manufacturing.

WAPO

I am sure all of you on ATS are overjoyed to hear that Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon Company, General Dynamics Corporation, Northrop Grumman Corporation and BAE Systems are going to make a lot on money in the next few years. Even if Trump does get impeached, the contracts will have been signed, so delivery is coming, along with the payments...

And then this:

Donald Trump invariably presents his agenda as prioritizing the American economy over abstract ideals like global cooperation. But that’s not accurate. With decisions like last week’s blustery withdrawal from the Paris climate accord, Trump’s agenda prioritizes some segments of America’s economy over others. He’s attempting to restore the primacy of industries that powered the American economy in the mid-20th century: particularly manufacturing, fossil fuel extraction, and construction. In the process, Trump is sublimating—if not opposing—the needs of the sectors likely to drive more growth through the 21st century: information technology, professional services, clean energy, entertainment, education, tourism, health care.

theatlantic

The Administration's report mentions several broadly supported objectives, including enforcing trade laws and opening markets. But, at its core, the new agenda is a fundamental departure from America's decades-long support for rules-based trade that benefits Americans and the world. While it employs muscular language like "defending sovereignty," it actually risks weakening America's economic standing, creating uncertainty for the U.S. economy, and making it harder for American exporters and workers to seize global opportunities.

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