Government Run Healthcare

To everyone who wanted government-run healthcare, to everyone who would bray about healthcare being a right, to everyone who pointed at Europe as a shining example of how government-run healthcare is great. . . . .

We have government-run healthcare.

When Obama The Weak and the scum congress put it into law, we had government-run healthcare.

Now that the cowardly republicans have shown their true face and refuse to rescind this entitlement program, we will still have government-run healthcare.

Only it will be from a different government.

You got your wish, people.

Government is going to run healthcare.

It may be a republican government, a democrat government, a socialist government (sorry, redundant) but you now have government-run healthcare.


Hope everyone is happy.

Costs will still go up.
Taxes will still rise.

Because of an entitlement-mindset, I now have less money because I will still end up paying for everyone else's healthcare.

Repeal and Replace, to the republicans. . .just means changing the name and replacing the paper in the legislative copier to print out another cluster####.

a reply to: DBCowboy


2 Wings same bird! How many times must it be said?


They use social issues to get and keep us fighting amongst ourselves while they enrich themselves at our expense.

a reply to: DBCowboy

And it will pay for you, your best friends, family, future generations of your blood line, the poor guy who worked hard his whole life to have a heart attack and rack in medical bills to put him into financial ruin, all the children who grew up in poverty, the middle class, the rich, the poor, sally down the road... etc. etc.

If it's run properly, it works. It's still in it's growing pains, but that's how progress is made.

a reply to: strongfp

Name me one government-run program that is cost efficient, timely, effective.

Just one that came in under budget.

Just one.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: strongfp

Name me one government-run program that is cost efficient, timely, effective.

Just one that came in under budget.

Just one.

Not even military is run to full efficiency, you are thinking in lala land in that sense.
When you have everyone yelling and screaming at hundreds of issues governments can only tackle so many at a time.
And the current status of society in the US doesn't help either, no one wants to work together, no one is fighting for a common goal, what happened to America? A nation built on fighting for common goals, and big ones at that.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Private health insurance is voluntary socialism, but a private company gets to earn a profit from it.

Other countries can and do make a taxpayer based system work for a much better price with much much better outcomes.

Our system is going to crash. Anyone who says our system is operating efficiently is not paying attention.

a reply to: strongfp

FDR

I just saw on the news lately that out of 10 developed countries healthcare systems America came bottom of the pile

Trumps wall will be a government program. I'm signed on with a contractor/service LLC.

Name me one government-run program that is cost efficient, timely, effective.

Just one that came in under budget.

Just one.

Perhaps this one will be different....

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: strongfp

Name me one government-run program that is cost efficient, timely, effective.

Just one that came in under budget.

Just one.

Also I gotta say.

You ask any billionaire or watch any interview with them and they are asked what's the most important aspect of success, and I bet all of them will incorporate health. Warren Buffet always mentions health as number one, without it, you cannot succeed.
So you are putting a cost efficiency on a unhealthy society.

originally posted by: strongfp


If it's run properly, it works. It's still in it's growing pains, but that's how progress is made.

You hit it on the nail head there. 'If it's run properly.' The problem is the same as any other socialist program, it can never be run properly because it will always depend upon people to run it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: strongfp

Name me one government-run program that is cost efficient, timely, effective.

Just one that came in under budget.

Just one.

Health care-name one developed country that costs more and does a worse job than the "private" US system.

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: strongfp

Name me one government-run program that is cost efficient, timely, effective.

Just one that came in under budget.

Just one.

Also I gotta say.

You ask any billionaire or watch any interview with them and they are asked what's the most important aspect of success, and I bet all of them will incorporate health. Warren Buffet always mentions health as number one, without it, you cannot succeed.
So you are putting a cost efficiency on a unhealthy society.

Having health care is not the same thing as being healthy. No amount of coverage will make people exercise and eat properly. If people did that half of the medical issues in the country would disappear within a couple years.

a reply to: seasonal

NHS in the UK. They employ more people than our own armed services and their cancer survival rates are sub par among other measures.

If you employ that many people, it cannot be more cost effective especially considering the ratio of citizens between the US and UK.

You cannot tell me that is more efficient.

a reply to: DBCowboy

...to everyone who would bray about healthcare being a right...

No. Just no. And I don't believe for a nanosecond that you don't know better.

It's because of those who refuse to honor and respect our ABSOLUTE INALIENABLE RIGHT TO CARE FOR OUR OWN HEALTH that government has been allowed to intervene, interfere, and take over our damn health care.

So let's call this what it is... You're quite happy to have government control as long as it benefits YOU and you don't give a rat's patootie about anyone else who suffers because of it. You also seem quite happy to rob from the poor to give YOU health care and deny it to others. The only thing worse would be if you actually took pleasure in others' pain for your perks.

a reply to: ketsuko

Cancer survival rates are sub par around the globe, what's your point?
My girlfriends family is from the UK, immigrated to Canada, they say the NHS has some weak points, but some extremely strong ones as well.
Nothing will run 100% efficient. Even the laws of physics don't allow that for energy, you honestly think humans with a broken physical money driven society can do better than the cosmos?

a reply to: Boadicea

How is not being forced into a crappy socialized service that delivers sub par outcomes to all robbing people?

Unless you want the equal sharing of misery. Yeah, our health care sucks and a lot of people who get cancer end up dying instead of getting life saving care, but at least I don't have to pay for my strep screens anymore ... sure hope that nagging cough isn't lung cancer though or I'm cooked!

So basically, you support enforcing a worse standard of care for all in the illusion that it's somehow better for us all to suffer together?

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ketsuko

Cancer survival rates are sub par around the globe, what's your point?
My girlfriends family is from the UK, immigrated to Canada, they say the NHS has some weak points, but some extremely strong ones as well.
Nothing will run 100% efficient. Even the laws of physics don't allow that for energy, you honestly think humans with a broken physical money driven society can do better than the cosmos?

Everyone is philosophical when they aren't being sacrificed to the system. We'll ask you how philosophical about it all you are when you become a medical outlier and the expensive treatment that could offer you hope is denied by the system because it's not cost efficient.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ketsuko

Cancer survival rates are sub par around the globe, what's your point?
My girlfriends family is from the UK, immigrated to Canada, they say the NHS has some weak points, but some extremely strong ones as well.
Nothing will run 100% efficient. Even the laws of physics don't allow that for energy, you honestly think humans with a broken physical money driven society can do better than the cosmos?

Everyone is philosophical when they aren't being sacrificed to the system. We'll ask you how philosophical about it all you are when you become a medical outlier and the expensive treatment that could offer you hope is denied by the system because it's not cost efficient.

My girlfriend had cervical cancer, I spent hours, days in waiting rooms, and universal health care saved her life.
When he father went in for a routine surgery and the surgeon stitched him up, there was a complication when he got home, healthcare saved his life.
My fathers lung collapsed and was rushed to the hospital, saved his life.
Mother need a hip replacement, got done quickly with no hassle.
Brother appendix needed to be removed... I can go on.

Guess how much it cost all of them?
The taxes they pay, only.
I couldn't even imagine the bills that would rack up for all those situations.

So it has directly effected me.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

You bring up a good point, but in the end it does.
A persons life decision to drink alcohol to the point where there liver gives out, they aren't at the top of the list for a transplant.
You are bringing up exceptions tho, over all education and public awareness is all a government can do. And it has worked very effectively in some communities plagued by on set diseases.