New Study: Being Transgender Is Not A Mental Disorder

Getting very concerned about this whole discourse of mental disorders either way.

Maybe people want to be and do different things in different parts of their lives?

Should the public health always pay for it?
Maybe once, but that's it.
I mean anybody who doesn't know by now that there might be a longing for reversion at some point obviously hasn't informed themselves enough to do the procedure.

everything is black and white with you

left handed is genetic...two left handed parents results in a left handed child 26% and in twins 24%
down syndrome ...most cases not inheritied

only xx and xy which are included on the list below but there are 4 others though you post otherwise

X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
XX – Most common form of female
XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
XY – Most common form of male
XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births

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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Annee

Yes. left handed is genetic.

Just like autism, Down syndrome (sometimes) and being gay or trans (imho)...


Period there is no evolutionary reason for people to be trans or autistic.. even gay is kinda shady as maybe cultural, or a disorder. but there is kinda evidence both ways..


So what do we do when people have unfixable mental disorders??

We humor them..


Science doesn’t consider gender , neither black or white.. the separate cultural phenomena from genetic phenomena..

Your still born XX or XY..

The fact that women wear dresses and like barbies is cultural..

The fact women have wombs and cycles and men have penises is genetic..

Your taking the cultural stuff and smashing it into the genetic stuff.

Imho until we can successfully diagnose and fix that miswirig. You leave people alone.


When they finally create some in the womb fix is where it gets interesting.

a reply to: halfoldman

the public health always pays for it..

Unless we are going to cut out requiring emergency rooms to give treatment... I guess.

Same with insurance policies.. all those respurces are pooled.

We all pay for everything reguardless, it just depends on how many middlemen are most effective.

a reply to: research100

Fair enough , but..

A) those are considered disorders too..

B) you can’t test for trans with a blood test and for genetic stuff you can..



There is no question trans would be a disorder.. it has no evolutionary benefit. Being trans does not aid in the procreation of the species..

That doesn’t make them bad or evil, but they are mistakes, like being club footed or born albino.

It is not their fault, they ain’t hurting anybody and we can’t do anything to fix it...

So what do you do??

Leave them the hell alone and let them do what they want.

I have a hard time seeing how us pretending like the guy born without a penis is lucky, or was born the way he is supposed to be.. if so then they wouldn’t be having surgeries, now would they.

Not to upset real trans people.

But trans doesn't automatically translate to human rights.

Trans has also been used as a form of torture.
In the old SADF, for example, there were forced gender reassignment surgeries.
Apparently it still happens in Iran and some other places.

originally posted by: halfoldman
Not to upset real trans people.

But trans doesn't automatically translate to human rights.

Trans has also been used as a form of torture.
In the old SADF, for example, there were forced gender reassignment surgeries.
Apparently it still happens in Iran and some other places.

The majority of Transgender do not have surgery. (whether it be personal reasons, money, or whatever).

Are you sure you're understanding what Transgender is?

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Annee

Yes. left handed is genetic.

That is a scapegoat response and does not answer the question.

The question is: "Can you tell me scientifically what causes a person to be left handed?"

All I say is that trans hasn't always translated to human rights.

It is a fact.

And how could it be consistently?
It's a re-inscription of heterosexuality.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

It does not say that transgender isnt a mental illness. It says that the primary source of angst is social pressure.

If the mind amd body dont agree tyere is mental illness. Unless the body is ill in which case there is physical illness.

Why does it matter?

a reply to: Annee

But I hear you - if we mean "transgender" as just a behavioral and clothing experiment (without major surgical or pharma intervention), I'm all for it. Done it myself.

There's no lasting harm either way.
In fact good sometimes to see how the "other" side lives.

a reply to: Annee

What does that have to do with the guy born without a penis???

Or a hand, or a foot, exc, exc, exc..

So should we assume people were supposed to be born without a leg, so refuse to give them a prosthetic???


You don’t fix things that are supposed to be that way.. you don’t have surgeries when nothing is wrong..

What if,, what if the World isn't real.

originally posted by: halfoldman

Trans has also been used as a form of torture.
In the old SADF, for example, there were forced gender reassignment surgeries.
Apparently it still happens in Iran and some other places.

uhhh
mutilating someone's genitals as torture has nothing to do with being trans whatsoever.
cus, for one, you can be trans without ever having any form of surgery - and most of us don't - but more importantly here is what you just said, but with the controversial trans layer removed:

"heart surgery is sometimes used as a form of torture.
There are people in the world who'll stab you right in the chest.
SO you see, not all heart surgery is good"

;

a reply to: continuousThunder

I know that


they explain how they feel able to be comfortable in society as their ego has been diminished by the psychedelics
and so if they are able to feel comfortable under psychedelics after their transition
then maybe it will do the same if they were to micro dose before transition

that was my point , that psychedelics reduce and diminish the affect the Ego has on your consciousness, removing what you perceive to be the constituents of your personal identity as a human and how others see you as a person,

and this supports my opinion that trans issues lie somewhere within the ego and our ID
how we identify as humans , and our consciousness

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

It does not say that transgender isnt a mental illness. It says that the primary source of angst is social pressure.

If the mind amd body dont agree tyere is mental illness. Unless the body is ill in which case there is physical illness.

Why does it matter?

As it has already been explained in this thread it has been reclassified from “illness” to “disorder”. I get it you have a problem with people being true to themselves because you “don’t get it” and you have that right just like I have the right to disagree. Don’t bother responding as I have nothing more to discuss with you on this subject as it is fruitless and neither of us will acknowledge the others viewpoint, now good day sir.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

the world health organisation has distanced itself from the negative connotations of "disorder"

and is classed as "biological phenomenon"

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

the world health organisation has distanced itself from the negative connotations of "disorder"

and is classed as "biological phenomenon"

Even better! 😃🥂

The words "disorder" and "illness" caused added distress and angst so they stopped using them. It was more an act of conciliation and less a shift in viewpoint.

I have no issues with anyone being who or what they want to be. None at all. Im just going under the assumption that posting a topic shows a desire to discuss it.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Ugh...passive aggressive much? I feel like you’re one of those guys that has to have the last word even if nobody cares or wants to hear it. There is no point in beating this horse anymore, it’s been dead for awhile now. I don’t know about you but I’ve accepted that people firmly entrenched in both camps will NEVER concede to the other side. So trying with people like you is pointless and exhausting. I’ll avoid Texas and you avoid DC and we’ll both be happier for it.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

There are others here that are part of the discussion......