So basically 'Nothing to see here move along'

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Sunday said he had “strongly pressed” President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia about election meddling during their first face-to-face meeting last week but did not dispute Moscow’s claim that he had accepted Mr. Putin’s denial of involvement, as he declared it “time to move forward” in a constructive United States relationship with Russia.

Mr. Trump’s account of his lengthy and closely scrutinized closed-door meeting with Mr. Putin, which came in a thread of morning Twitter posts, was his attempt to move beyond the controversy that has followed the session after Moscow characterized the election discussion as a meeting of the minds rather than a showdown between the American president and his Russian counterpart.
Mr. Trump’s tweets did little to dispel that notion, as he characterized his own position as an “opinion” and asserted that he was prepared to team with Moscow — which American intelligence agencies say meddled in the election last year, and will attempt to again — on forming an “impenetrable Cyber Security unit” to thwart future breaches.

Let me try and wrap my head around this, President Trump, knowing full well Russia attempted to influence our election process, not only ignores that fact, then insults our intelligence by using the tired 'Nothing to see here move along' tactic?

The claims it's an attempt to move beyond the controversy is exactly what he should NOT be doing; this was an attack on America and he wants to move beyond it?

“I strongly pressed President Putin twice about Russian meddling in our election,” Mr. Trump said in the post. “He vehemently denied it. I’ve already given my opinion.”

Nothing to see here

I think it's very possible that not only is this President not fit for office, he could easily be the stupidest person alive, and it takes quite a lot for me to say that about someone else, especially a sitting President of the USA.

“Partnering with Putin on a ‘Cyber Security Unit’ is akin to partnering with Assad on a ‘Chemical Weapons Unit,’”

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The claims it's an attempt to move beyond the controversy is exactly what he should NOT be doing; this was an attack on America and he wants to move beyond it?

I know, right?

FFS, we should just bomb the F# out of them already!!!

Being led by the nose with the ol' Russia is the root of all evil trick. Been around since WWII. Some of you folk should study Cold War history.

Shouldn't you have put, "Yay War!" In there somewhere?

Either Trump knows so little about Putin and Russia that he's naive enough to take Putin at his word, or he knows it's a lie and doesn't care.

Either way, it's beyond craptastic.

originally posted by: stosh64
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The claims it's an attempt to move beyond the controversy is exactly what he should NOT be doing; this was an attack on America and he wants to move beyond it?

I know, right?

FFS, we should just bomb the F# out of them already!!!

That's a pretty dumb suggestion. We should let them know theyre not going to get away with it for sure, not create a cyber-division in tandem with them.

originally posted by: The GUT
Being led by the nose with the Ol' Russia trick. Been around since WWII. Some of you folk should study Cold War history.

What makes you think there's an unawareness of Cold War history? I mean, I get what you're saying, I just don't see the relevance to the topic at hand.

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Well, if Putin Vehemently denied it.........It must be true!

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: stosh64
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The claims it's an attempt to move beyond the controversy is exactly what he should NOT be doing; this was an attack on America and he wants to move beyond it?

I know, right?

FFS, we should just bomb the F# out of them already!!!

Get away with what? The same thing the US does to other countries?



That's a pretty dumb suggestion. We should let them know theyre not going to get away with it for sure, not create a cyber-division in tandem with them.

originally posted by: windword
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Well, if Putin Vehemently denied it.........It must be true!

this was honestly my first thought....well, clearly if Putin denied it, then how could we have been so stupid as to suggest it?

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And yet if he Trump had done the complete opposite, the MSM would've still criticized him.

In fact I'm willing to bet there were already pre-emptive articles written by corporate spokesmen ( my word for their journalists ) in the event Trump had handled it entirely differently.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
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And yet if he Trump had done the complete opposite, the MSM would've still criticized him.

In fact I'm willing to bet there were already pre-emptive articles written by corporate spokesmen ( my word for their journalists ) in the event Trump had handled it entirely differently.

Well, since I'm not personally in the habit of soothsaying, I'm only going to let actions that have occurred speak for themselves.

Every major country tries to influence every other major country's elections. I mean Obama did it with Israel and Britain, supposedly our best allies. Russia exposed the truth about the corruption of the DNC and Hillary, they didn't hack any votes. It's past time to move on to more important things. If we are actually concerned about this, let the U.S. strengthen our cyber.

I'm sure Russia and Putin would just love to work with the US on a cyber-security system...

I mean talk about making it easy for them, lulz.


They must be pissing themselves with joy at the suggestion.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Every major country tries to influence every other major country's elections.

So you're basically condoning the US being a target of electoral influence by a foreign entity then?

I mean Obama did it with Israel and Britain, supposedly our best allies.

Can you show me this by way of an unbiased source please?

Russia exposed the truth about the corruption of the DNC and Hillary, they didn't hack any votes.

I'm extremely certain that youre an insider with insider knowledge huh?

If we are actually concerned about this, let the U.S. strengthen our cyber.

Great idea....along with the foreign entity that attempted to influence our Democratic electoral process.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: The GUT
Being led by the nose with the Ol' Russia trick. Been around since WWII. Some of you folk should study Cold War history.

What makes you think there's an unawareness of Cold War history? I mean, I get what you're saying, I just don't see the relevance to the topic at hand.

Then you know Russia has always been a favorite scapegoat. Not that we shouldn't always be wary.

We are being led to a foregone conclusion in the mind of the national security state. Pretty much the same tactics used in the cold war.

Did you know that JFK's national security bigwigs wanted to hit Russia with a surprise atomic attack?

Such things the deep state Generals are made of. Don't fall for it.

The propaganda is on full spin 24/7. I'm amazed you can't see a narrative being constructed.

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www.huffingtonpost.com... d

Afghanistan

The election in 2014 didn’t go as the U.S. intended (like the one in 2009, shot through with fraud that gave it to Hamid Karzai). So the U.S. declared it a tie and created a new position not in the Afghan constitution called Chief Executive Officer.

Vietnam

When the French withdrew from Vietnam in the 1950s, they scheduled an election to be held shortly after. It became increasingly clear that the communist revolutionary leader Ho Chi Minh would win it in a landslide. So the U.S. intervened and installed Ngo Dinh Diem as leader of a new country it recognized as South Vietnam. The national election was canceled, but the U.S. still needed a way to pretend the puppet regime had political support. So it set up an election between Diem, who was widely disliked, and an exiled member of the royal family who was even more hated.

Iran

When Iran elected a nationalist politician, Mohammed Mosaddeq, the U.S. intervened to launch a coup in 1953, which CIA agent Kermit Roosevelt led. Mossadegh’s crime was to nationalize a British oil company, a forerunner to BP, and to spark concerns among the paranoid Dulles brothers that he was leaning toward the Soviet Union.

And many others, I can't believe you were not aware of Americas meddlings in soveriegn nations elections....

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1. No. Just that there is selective outrage because liberals lost.

2. Obama threatened Britain and US trade with Brexit, please tell me you know this and I don't need to waste my time sourcing this proven common knowledge, "back of the queue". As for Israel: Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu

3. No one has alleged Russia hacked votes, apparently you are the one with "inside knowledge". Please elaborate.

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But in trying to confirm that any of the named people had committed suicide, or even existed, I've turned up nothing.

"Scapegoat" implies someone who's innocent and has been wrongfully blamed for something. Russia is not innocent, nor are they being wrongly accused of meddling the 2016 US election.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
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And yet if he Trump had done the complete opposite, the MSM would've still criticized him.

In fact I'm willing to bet there were already pre-emptive articles written by corporate spokesmen ( my word for their journalists ) in the event Trump had handled it entirely differently.

Well, since I'm not personally in the habit of soothsaying, I'm only going to let actions that have occurred speak for themselves.

Ok then. I'm inclined to ask what you think would've been the ideal way he should've handled it.

In a broad or specific sense, what should he have said? How should he have behaved?

Well, first of all, the USA does try to influence the elections in Russia and many other countries. That is not even a conspiracy, it is everyday business. As for the Russians attempting to influence our election, the FBI said they do it all the time but it rarely if ever makes a difference on our US elections. They stated it did not have that much influence on our last presidential election, it is easy to see that Hillary did way too much wrong stuff and did not need any help to lose that election. If anything, Russia just made people know of the things she did wrong, what....they get blasted for telling the truth?

I suppose, choosing our president is choosing the best deceiver, we can not have anyone promoting truth in presidential elections. We had many hackers and whistleblowers getting information out to the public in the last election, most were not Russians. I mentioned I thought Hillary was unworthy of that job...I am not Russian, in fact I am a democrat voter most times.

Trump and Putin probably couldn't hold a straight face during their talks. They both know what is going on continuously in the political zoo and they are both aware that we and they are hacking and trying to influence elections. That is part of what governments around the world do. Do people think Japan and China do not try to influence things? Do people think that Saudi Arabia does not try to influence our elections? Look at France, Obama tried successfully to influence their election even after he was out of office. Everyone does it. It is just much easier now because of the internet. What is our government going to do, punish anyone who tells the truth about things?

This whole election interference crap is nothing but something to try to divide our people and try to get back at Trump and his supporters because Trump won. The Liberals have called Trump supporters anything from uneducated to idiots, they are the ones who are not wise, change needs to be slow and gradual and in the right direction, the liberals are being steered in the wrong direction by some powerful influences. They need to step back and observe what just happened and try to understand why it happened. Trump should have never won this election, the Democrats policies are not correct. This past election shows that to be true. Obamacare is going to bankrupt our country, you cannot just give doctors a blank check. ten percent of the patients are using over half the healthcare money. Much of this is getting wasted on unneeded tests and procedures that are not feasable, you need to stop unnecessary tests, not promote them.